robthehermit
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Post by robthehermit on Feb 5, 2024 12:15:01 GMT
If the wifi enabled controller supposedly releasing in May is on a par with Luna there really will be no point in owning an Xbox anymore.
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Post by Psiloc on Feb 5, 2024 12:16:44 GMT
This is where I am. I don't see much in it for Sony... Indeed. There wouldn’t be. But I imagine that’s what Microsoft will want. They need law to intervene and tell Sony they can’t block other storefronts on their devices, due to a growing market share (and potential monopoly), much like Apple and the iPhone. If that happens, Sony has to allow it and gains very little in return. Unless they have already anticipated this and make some kind of deal with Microsoft. Yeah... true but how long did it take for other app stores to appear on the iPhone? Unless that whole rigmarole has provided precedent so now it's more of a foregone conclusion that Sony will be forced into it |
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Post by Psiloc on Feb 5, 2024 12:19:13 GMT
Anyway one of the key things about this whole thing is how seriously it has been taken by everybody. Hardly anyone has completely rejected the idea as absurd.
Sony and Nintendo, this whole thing would be a laughable suggestion
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Post by theguy on Feb 5, 2024 12:23:15 GMT
Hmm, if Sony gets a cut of Game Pass sales on PS somehow, then I can see them maybe being more open to it.
If MS are willing to bring the likes of Halo and put them on Game Pass, then Sony basically become the only player in the (traditional) console space. Their competition disappears, and every console player is forced to buy a PS. They might be more receptive in that case.
Wouldn't want it to happen though. Sony still need competition, and if Game Pass does find the success MS hopes, then MS will control a large part of the industry with no real competition either.
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Post by Phattso on Feb 5, 2024 12:25:38 GMT
In terms of Next Gen Xbox the leaks suggest that they've been shopping around for alternatives to AMD, but have (rather late) come back to the table. But in terms of the overall system, and what they want to achieve, that'll have been worked on since before the Series consoles launched. Apple have shown that you can do a pretty graceful migration from x86 to ARM, and Nintendo with NVidia have proven out that ARM has what it takes. You'd end up with substantially cooler, substantially faster, CPU blocks if they could get away from the AMD APU. But sadly looks like they can't - it would've been good to have a genuinely different tech in the market rather than the close cousins Sony and MS put out the last two generations. In terms of who would fill the void if MS fucked off... Valve! Steam Deck definitely has them in the conversation.  |
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Post by dangerousdave on Feb 5, 2024 12:26:15 GMT
True true. It would be a bit of a shocker for either of the other two at the moment, but Nintendo were being written off during the WiiU era. One bad generation is enough. Microsoft have kinda had two.
Says the guy with a Series X and S.
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Post by Matt A on Feb 5, 2024 12:43:37 GMT
If they did drop hardware I wonder what commitment they would make about keeping the servers running for existing and previous gen owners. I think given that you periodically hear of xbox support for the odd 360 game shutting down, it's at the developers discretion.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2024 12:54:27 GMT
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Post by britesparc on Feb 5, 2024 12:57:12 GMT
I don't think they'll drop out of hardware. I think they view the consoles as akin to the Surface devices - a sort of "best use case" for how to access their software.
A Surface Pro or Surface Studio Laptop isn't the cheapest nor the most powerful PC you can buy, but the hardware is generally very good, and a good showcase for lots of features that MS likes to tout (eg Windows Hello).
If they start releasing Xbox games on competing consoles "on the reg", I imagine we'll see more of a range of Xbox-branded hardware, maybe even the rumoured third-party Xbox-branded consoles. But I can see a handheld, a discless Series X, a cloud streaming device, etc, all being developed as "proof of concept" for how they think Game Pass games should be accessed.
Surface has been more-or-less successful in this area (although their numbers are down now) because, whilst Surface devices are good, the software they "show off" is used massively across the board by other hardware manufacturers. So I'm not sure how this scales to Xbox games on PlayStation, or if they have enough sales on PC, or if Steam Deck-esque handhelds can show off Game Pass, etc. But I've thought this was broadly their strategy for a while now, and everything we hear makes me more sure of it.
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Post by theguy on Feb 5, 2024 13:22:59 GMT
I don't really see how third party Xbox consoles would work?
They can't have differing hardware, otherwise you're just making PC's and they exist already, and if they all use the same hardware, then the third parties can't really compete at all in a price to performance ratio with Sony who are an established console manufacturer. Even if Sony mark up their consoles. Maybe I'm missing something though
If MS believe in the cloud and that streaming games is the future, then getting Game Pass on as much as possible now might be what they're going for. Then they can allow that same installbase to play their games anywhere and practically on any device, so hardware won't be an issue.
I do wonder if this was some dramatic pivot in plans or was something they considered all along. The 70 billion acquisition didn't close long ago at all.
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Post by Psiloc on Feb 5, 2024 13:42:50 GMT
Well, on the other hand, some would say that Xbox has got this far primarily as a third party platform already. Why not make it official?
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Post by britesparc on Feb 5, 2024 14:23:42 GMT
I don't really see how third party Xbox consoles would work? They can't have differing hardware, otherwise you're just making PC's and they exist already, and if they all use the same hardware, then the third parties can't really compete at all in a price to performance ratio with Sony who are an established console manufacturer. Even if Sony mark up their consoles. Maybe I'm missing something though If MS believe in the cloud and that streaming games is the future, then getting Game Pass on as much as possible now might be what they're going for. Then they can allow that same installbase to play their games anywhere and practically on any device, so hardware won't be an issue. I do wonder if this was some dramatic pivot in plans or was something they considered all along. The 70 billion acquisition didn't close long ago at all. I actually agree with you vis-a-vis "third party hardware", it's just one of the other rumours I've seen circulating recently. I guess maybe the thinking is how much Xbox has cozied up to the Asus Rog Ally, touting how good it is for playing Game Pass on the go. Maybe they think if they can work with hardware manufacturers to create "certified for Xbox Game Pass" handheld PCs, or Steam Machine-style living room PCs, that's an alternative? I dunno, I'm just spitballing. Personally I'd rather see a "Series X 2" and instead of a "Series S 2" we'd have a handheld console, maybe one that could dock into your TV Switch-style. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2024 14:30:00 GMT
High end console. Get rid of the Series names now as it's just confusing people and just call it the Xbox 6.
Then a lower powered hybrid like the switch and call it the Xbox 6 lite or something.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Feb 5, 2024 14:35:37 GMT
Series P
Series EX(treme)
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2024 14:39:30 GMT
I'll only allow Series CD and 32x
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Post by theguy on Feb 5, 2024 14:52:58 GMT
I actually agree with you vis-a-vis "third party hardware", it's just one of the other rumours I've seen circulating recently. I guess maybe the thinking is how much Xbox has cozied up to the Asus Rog Ally, touting how good it is for playing Game Pass on the go. Maybe they think if they can work with hardware manufacturers to create "certified for Xbox Game Pass" handheld PCs, or Steam Machine-style living room PCs, that's an alternative? I dunno, I'm just spitballing. Personally I'd rather see a "Series X 2" and instead of a "Series S 2" we'd have a handheld console, maybe one that could dock into your TV Switch-style. I could see it, but even then they're things that already exist without the need for MS licensing in the way. Certifying for Game Pass just seems too vague to actually mean anything when performance on PC games can wildly differ. Hope MS do make another console though. Would be wild if they do have any plans to pull out completely. Handheld is a fun idea, especially with backwards compatibility, but they seem a bit too risk averse to do it. |
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Post by theguy on Feb 5, 2024 14:56:19 GMT
The curvy Xbox SEX, sounds like a winner |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2024 16:17:31 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 5, 2024 16:22:14 GMT
THRILLING
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Post by KD on Feb 5, 2024 16:48:50 GMT
Halo MCC crossplay with everyone.
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 5, 2024 18:15:31 GMT
High end console. Get rid of the Series names now as it's just confusing people and just call it the Xbox 6. Then a lower powered hybrid like the switch and call it the Xbox 6 lite or something. 6? |
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Post by hedben on Feb 5, 2024 18:50:09 GMT
High end console. Get rid of the Series names now as it's just confusing people and just call it the Xbox 6. Then a lower powered hybrid like the switch and call it the Xbox 6 lite or something. 6? Presumably that’s to regain number parity with the next gen PlayStation. That was always the problem since the original Xbox vs. PS2, because consumers just go “one number higher must be better innit?” 360 was higher than (PS)3, and Xbox One vs. PS4 was a disaster |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2024 19:04:59 GMT
Yeah,
Xbox
Xbox 360
Xbox One
Xbox Series S
Xbox Series X
Xbox 6
To be on Par with PS. Wasn't that rumored to be the reason they went with 360 rather than Xbox 2?
Because they thought gamers would think it inferior to the PS3.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2024 20:17:01 GMT
Yeah give the net more time to hype up loads of possibilities
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Post by uiruki on Feb 5, 2024 20:26:34 GMT
That’s definitely pushed me towards them getting out of hardware.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2024 20:40:03 GMT
What if... its actually just to announce Bill Gates went from jumping over a chair to 12 Xboxs stacked up?
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Post by britesparc on Feb 5, 2024 22:03:29 GMT
If they want to share their "vision for the future of Xbox" then clearly it's not going to be the same as what's been happening for twenty years.
I still don't think they're getting out of the hardware game, but it does sound like Sony fans will get to play Starfield this generation.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 5, 2024 22:56:46 GMT
I would be a little surprised if it's something as straightforward as "everything is multiplatform now!". There might be something akin to that but they'll surely have something more substantive and compelling as to "why Xbox" to accompany that.
The landscape has changed and I think Spencer is fairly canny so I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what they announce.
What it might be, I have no idea but I just don't see it being as straightforward as "Xbox is dead, long live Xbox (on PlayStation)."
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Post by theguy on Feb 5, 2024 23:03:19 GMT
Scenes when MS announce they actually just bought Sony while Phil Spencer wears his green Suck It top
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 6, 2024 1:10:04 GMT
MS always seems to be reactive to these kind of announcements rather than proactive. I get there are leaks but there's been rumours for a while and even now they're dodging around what the actual announcement is.
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