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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 29, 2023 10:44:08 GMT
Some thoughts from having skimmed through the video: The fusion mechanic looks incredibly interesting, as does the vehicle crafting. The potential for creativity (and glitches/exploits of course!) is off the charts, and considering people are still finding new things and interactions in BotW to this day... Hoo boy  I'm not sure I agree with the concerns about the map being the same. Between what the few panoramic shots show, the floating landmasses (presumably) needing to have come from somewhere and the game likely being set at least a small amount of time after BotW (so there's potential, for instance, for settlements to have been built, rebuilt, destroyed and so on) I'm thinking that, while some landmarks may remain, the overall map will have plenty of differences to keep things fresh even without the floating islands to explore. As for the vehicles themselves, I don't think they'll detract from exploration at all. Putting aside that, unless you're able to store vehicles in subspace and pull them out of thin air anywhere, they'll likely not always be available, I see them as more of another exploration choice. Sure, I could climb the mountain the normal way, I could make a flying raft or (cave provided) just ascend through it... Just like, in BotW, I could use Revali's Gale, paraglide from a vantage point, use Stasis launches with logs or rocks... It's all there to let you do what you want in the end. Don't like the vehicles? Don't use them, it's fine! (Unless there's a puzzle that requires them, of course, but that goes for any mechanic). If anything, I'd be more concerned with the floating landmasses as far as circumventing obstacles goes, since they're basically the ultimate paragliding vantage point... Overall, my body is ready |
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 29, 2023 10:54:05 GMT
The lore buffs will also find plenty of things to work with, I believe. The Zonai theories have been pretty much confirmed already with the materials the new enemies drop, and there's already a theory floating around that (series spoilers) this game is actually somehow a prequel, story-wise, to Skyward Sword, making the entire series come full circle.
In essence, 1) there's an Ouroboros, a snake eating its own tail, hidden in the game's logo (symbolizing a cycle), 2) there's floating landmasses just like in the lore of Skyward Sword (and in the game proper, of course), 3) the Master Sword is forged in Skyward and looks very damaged in this one's trailers and 4) in the ending of Skyward Sword Demise mentions something to the effect of his curse being an endless cycle. Putting all that together, people are thinking that Tears of the Kingdom leads to Skyward Sword, connecting the end of the timeline to its start. Should be fun to see how it all plays out... |
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 29, 2023 10:55:41 GMT
Right there with you. I came from watching the videos ready to join in with lots of gushing and hype, so was surprised to see so much negativity about what was shown. I think the new abilities look to be providing so many possibilities and I'm excited to play around with them.
As I've already said, I'm not normally the most adventurous with game systems. There is still plenty of bits in BotW that I don't touch. The abilities here though all seem to be about making the wacky side more accessible, whilst also massively expanding the possibilities with the sandbox.
There are definitely still big questions and I can understand the disappointment with the map. This isn't Ubisoft we are dealing with though. Nintendo have a proven track record of creating new games in a franchise that feels completely unique to what came before, even if superficially they share many similarities.
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Post by Kay on Mar 29, 2023 11:20:24 GMT
There is some suggestion based on what we've seen that Ultrahand might also be used to build houses/settlements, which would greatly expand on the Tarry Town concept from the first game.
Also worth bearing in mind the demo shown yesterday was likely from the equivalent of the Great Plateau area. The possibilities are pretty crazy, just a question of whether Nintendo can deliver on them.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Mar 29, 2023 11:23:45 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Mar 29, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
Couldn’t give a fuck about the fusing stuff or “sandbox” gaming so I hope there’s a decent Zelda adventure in there somewhere
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Post by rajin on Mar 29, 2023 12:11:50 GMT
My other problem with some of the new abilities along with things like constructing items is that to me it takes you further away from the game environment itself. For example… nice mountain there and wouldn’t it be nice to get an epic sword through hard worn progressions but… who the hell cares I don’t need to traverse it anymore when I can just ascent magically through it… and the I’ll make myself a giant monkey hammer… you end up thinking your getting closer to another Minecraft… I actually think the best thing about Botw was the climbing. Incredibly satisfying and required proper climbing tactics while you had limited stamina. I actually waited till the end of the game to get the updraft ability. I also feel all these abilities will make the world feel smaller. Fuse ability looks amazing though. I still want more lively villages, improved quests and of course... dungeons. I still dont think any of these are on the cards. Its going to be fallout 4 style settlements and building i'm afraid. |
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Post by cubby on Mar 29, 2023 12:21:17 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with the concerns about the map being the same. Between what the few panoramic shots show, the floating landmasses (presumably) needing to have come from somewhere and the game likely being set at least a small amount of time after BotW (so there's potential, for instance, for settlements to have been built, rebuilt, destroyed and so on) I'm thinking that, while some landmarks may remain, the overall map will have plenty of differences to keep things fresh even without the floating islands to explore. After the video before this one someone on reddit found loads of the locations in that video and showed their locations in BOTW, and they were worryingly similar. Down to broken carts, trees and other details being in exactly the same place. Here's the gallery. www.reddit.com/gallery/1123rrv |
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Post by quadfather on Mar 29, 2023 12:31:35 GMT
Thinking about vehicles for a minute - I agree with JuniorFE - if you don't want to use them, just don't use them. I think I tamed 1 horse in BOTW, and rode it about for a bit, but then I just didn't bother, as I prefer running / paragliding about - suits the way I play more.
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 29, 2023 13:06:57 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with the concerns about the map being the same. Between what the few panoramic shots show, the floating landmasses (presumably) needing to have come from somewhere and the game likely being set at least a small amount of time after BotW (so there's potential, for instance, for settlements to have been built, rebuilt, destroyed and so on) I'm thinking that, while some landmarks may remain, the overall map will have plenty of differences to keep things fresh even without the floating islands to explore. After the video before this one someone on reddit found loads of the locations in that video and showed their locations in BOTW, and they were worryingly similar. Down to broken carts, trees and other details being in exactly the same place. Here's the gallery. www.reddit.com/gallery/1123rrv Honestly, while this does look more similar than I thought in a side by side comparison, I'm still not worried. For one, besides "Skyrule" (I'm stealing this from a comment), there's also supposedly a big underground cave system to work with, that these pictures obviously don't show. There's also evidence of climate shifts (snow seems all but gone even from high peaks, for instance), landmasses and details have changed positions, new structures popping up in previously empty fields... Even some oddities like the Great Plateau being less damaged than even in BotW that make me think that trailer doesn't tell the whole story at all. Plus (as seen in the last picture) this gallery only covers some parts of the map, there's entire regions not shown... Ultimately, we can only wait for the final product at this point. If the ground map is mostly unchanged it would be a bit disappointing (even though, as a supposedly direct sequel set in the same Hyrule, if there's one Zelda game I'd expect a similar map from it's this one), but even then there's a lot of game beyond that, and plenty of ways in which the game could let you manipulate even a familiar map. We'll see... |
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Post by askew on Mar 29, 2023 13:26:08 GMT
I'm not sure what level my ass-temps are cranking
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 29, 2023 13:36:53 GMT
The Legend Of Zelda: Tears of the Fandom
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Post by harrypalmer on Mar 29, 2023 13:46:08 GMT
The shooting through ceilings mechanic is fucking weird.
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Post by cubby on Mar 29, 2023 14:52:27 GMT
That one just doesn't seem like a "natural" ability, does it.
Like, is it just ceilings, not walls? Imagine a superhero who could only jump through ceilings but not walls.
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Post by Youthist on Mar 29, 2023 15:11:48 GMT
So do we think the bits in the sky are now essentially going to be the temples and shrines on the ground in BOTW? So you go up there to do a shrine or Temple then come back down.
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Post by Kay on Mar 29, 2023 16:33:05 GMT
That one just doesn't seem like a "natural" ability, does it. Like, is it just ceilings, not walls? Imagine a superhero who could only jump through ceilings but not walls. I'd imagine an ability like that would make more sense with an extensive underground/underwater section... perhaps it can also be upgraded later in the game so that you can descend or go through walls. |
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Post by quadfather on Mar 29, 2023 16:38:27 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere there's a cave system underneath it as well. Could indeed be bollocks though.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 29, 2023 18:16:10 GMT
I thought that was just speculation, but the phasing through ceilings thing could indicate a lot of underground bits.
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Post by cubby on Mar 29, 2023 18:26:09 GMT
Yeah if there's no shrines now there's a lot of underground space that ought to be utilised.
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Post by elstoof on Mar 29, 2023 18:34:25 GMT
Basement Converters Ltd have been down there for 6 years so I’d expect it’s massive under there now
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Post by Youthist on Mar 29, 2023 18:51:04 GMT
If there was some massive underground cave system would they not have teased it by now at the very least?
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 29, 2023 19:10:14 GMT
If there was some massive underground cave system would they not have teased it by now at the very least? Didn't the very first trailer show Link and Zelda finding Ganondorf's (?) corpse in a giant underground tunnel they were exploring? And then another (or maybe the same?) trailer showing Zelda falling in a bottomless pit? And I'm sure there's more quick underground shots or mentions in trailers somewhere that I'm forgetting... |
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Post by Kay on Mar 29, 2023 19:13:07 GMT
It's been teased plenty of times, not least in the very first reveal with Link and Zelda exploring a cavern together.
I think people forget that very little was shown of BotW's world until the epic story trailer that came out about a month or so before release. Before then it was mostly clips and demonstrations of all the mechanics.
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Post by Youthist on Mar 29, 2023 19:15:46 GMT
I will go back and look at the early ones, doesn’t feel like anything more recently though. Plus yeah they keep their cards close to their chest for sure
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Post by damagedinc on Mar 29, 2023 19:37:55 GMT
People need to relax lol I'm betting there is loads being held back and we will love it.
The world will probably have similar/same geography but there will be soany changes I imagine it will be barely recognisable.
We also have all the rumours of other things that I've not spoilt for myself.
Or maybe I am being far too optimistic
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Post by elstoof on Mar 29, 2023 20:20:58 GMT
People were laughing about the BotW trailers before release
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 29, 2023 21:51:36 GMT
...Were they? Most of what I remember went something like "OMG voice acting!!!" -> "Zelda sweetie why are you crying?" -> "Shut up and take my money" -> "HOLY SHIT IT'S A LAUNCH TITLE!!!" |
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Post by elstoof on Mar 29, 2023 22:16:01 GMT
It looked shit and empty with nothing to do in it, apparently
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Post by Frog on Mar 30, 2023 5:46:39 GMT
That's an extreme view of how I felt upon completing it. I didn't love the shrines and the seeds which took away quite a bit of content for me as there wasn't much in the way of dungeons.
However I did like the exploration.
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Post by quadfather on Mar 30, 2023 10:30:04 GMT
Yeah, they didn't show that much of the original, and I think that's a good thing. I'm sure they'll be loads of stuff.
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