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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 22, 2024 11:54:08 GMT
I'm not sure Stroll wins the WDC even if the Aston was a Redbull 2023 style rocketship. It would need unprecedented performance against the rest of the field, as well as Latifi. Stroll is still plenty good enough to win a title unopposed. He's one of the top 100 drivers in the world even if he's not in F1 on merit. Look up the 2016 F3 season for what's possible when good (but not great) talent is backed to the hilt. His dad bought Prema (the dominant team of that era) and chose the two teammates to support him. Unusual incidents that looked suspiciously like team orders happened from lap 1, race 1. He was more than good enough to qualify the car where it should be and then not crash whilst his team mates played rear gunner. I think it'd be fun because it'd be farcical, rather than because I think he he'd screw it up.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 25, 2024 8:16:39 GMT
McLaren have lodged an appeal, which I'm imagine will fail, but fair to them for putting this into the spotlight. If Lando had just conceded the position after it wouldn't have dominated the media this week.
If I were them I'd argue that Lando had already overtaken Max on the straight. Therefore Max was actually the overtaker on the inside, and therefore those racing rules should've been applied to him, not the ones for Lando attempting a move on the outside. It would make far more sense logically and encourage better racing.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 25, 2024 8:36:44 GMT
Seems an odd admission to say he's not as good as Max.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 25, 2024 9:06:57 GMT
One of the reasons I support Lando is his brutal honesty and lack of ego that makes him worth listening to.
We can actually believe him vs someone like Alonso who hypes the crap out of himself at every opportunity and has a clear agenda whenever he praises others. Takes far more bravery to carry himself that way and break the traditional F1 mould of "I believe I am the best, am fittest I have ever been, and have no weaknesses". Ironic really as it's far braver to speak as Lando does.
Lando's only 24 and still improving, probably in part because of that lack of ego. Max is better than him right now, the confidence gained from winning multiple championships is some of that, but that gap is narrowing.
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Post by darkling on Oct 25, 2024 9:26:24 GMT
McLaren have lodged an appeal, which I'm imagine will fail, but fair to them for putting this into the spotlight. If Lando had just conceded the position after it wouldn't have dominated the media this week. If I were them I'd argue that Lando had already overtaken Max on the straight. Therefore Max was actually the overtaker on the inside, and therefore those racing rules should've been applied to him, not the ones for Lando attempting a move on the outside. It would make far more sense logically and encourage better racing. That's my interpretation. Lando was ahead going into the corner, entered at the correct speed to cruise around the corner (unlike Max) yet Max simply wouldn't let him drive through the corner, and in doing so went fully off the track, dangerously forcing Lando off the track in the process. I don't know how you could interpret it any other way. At best Max accidentally took the corner too fast, and at worst he purposely drove Lando off the track, but either way Lando did nothing wrong. He was right to keep the place.
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Post by zisssou on Oct 25, 2024 9:54:22 GMT
One of the reasons I support Lando is his brutal honesty and lack of ego that makes him worth listening to. We can actually believe him vs someone like Alonso who hypes the crap out of himself at every opportunity and has a clear agenda whenever he praises others. Takes far more bravery to carry himself that way and break the traditional F1 mould of "I believe I am the best, am fittest I have ever been, and have no weaknesses". Ironic really as it's far braver to speak as Lando does. Lando's only 24 and still improving, probably in part because of that lack of ego. Max is better than him right now, the confidence gained from winning multiple championships is some of that, but that gap is narrowing. I agree. But on the flipside there is a psychology within sports, that an admission to say you aren't good enough.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 25, 2024 10:18:44 GMT
McLaren have lodged an appeal, which I'm imagine will fail, but fair to them for putting this into the spotlight. If Lando had just conceded the position after it wouldn't have dominated the media this week. If I were them I'd argue that Lando had already overtaken Max on the straight. Therefore Max was actually the overtaker on the inside, and therefore those racing rules should've been applied to him, not the ones for Lando attempting a move on the outside. It would make far more sense logically and encourage better racing. That's my interpretation. Lando was ahead going into the corner, entered at the correct speed to cruise around the corner (unlike Max) yet Max simply wouldn't let him drive through the corner, and in doing so went fully off the track, dangerously forcing Lando off the track in the process. I don't know how you could interpret it any other way. At best Max accidentally took the corner too fast, and at worst he purposely drove Lando off the track, but either way Lando did nothing wrong. He was right to keep the place. Logically, ethically, sportingly, you are right but given the stewards deemed Lando to be the overtaking on the outside, they applied their (stupid) rules correctly. Lando clearly had a moment where he could've braked more and stayed on. Retrospectively upholding the appeal by deciding that Max was the overtaker gives the stewards an excuse to officiate better without rewriting rules mid season but the rewrite is what needs to happen. The fundamental problem is using who was ahead at the apex as the 'winner' of the corner. As written it's essentially impossible for anyone to overtake on the outside if the driver on the inside has no obligation to make the exit. However I don't think the rules are totally without merit, they just need tweaking. It bothers me that the usual suspects are using this as an opportunity to claim we don't need regulations. The whole reason they were brought in is that the Maldonado's, Max's, Massa's, Magnusson's (actually maybe it it's an Ma... thing) of F1 were overly aggressive and ignoring the unwritten racing conventions. So no, we can't just let you sort it out yourselves like bullies in a playground. I don't really understand why there needs to be any tolerance of forcing another driver off. As is repeatedly pointed out, we don't have this problem at Monaco or Singapore (much). Nor did it ever really used to be a thing when cars were death traps and gravel was present beyond the curb. The racing wasn't worse. I'd suggest: 1) if someone is significantly alongside (50%, maybe 75%, would need testing) at corner entry (i.e. the point of turn in) they are entitled to a cars width at the exit. 2) no lasting advantage from going off track regardless of whether you are attacking or defending, which includes failing to lose a position. 3) if asked, yield the place within 1 lap or incur a 10s penalty (some leniancy if opponent then pits or retires before you can comply) Will still be subjective where 'turn in' actually is and what constitutes lasting advantage but the stewards can call that using the telemetry (maybe use an average of qualifying laps to set a reference for racing line, if by eye proves insufficient). This will certainly make it harder to get an overtaking move 'done' but isn't that good? It will mean both cars exiting a corner side by side heading to the subsequent corner with a similar obligation to leave space. i.e. clean, respectful racing
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Post by A46Matt on Oct 25, 2024 10:34:47 GMT
Reducing run off areas / adding gravel would help too. Can be tricky though with tracks being multi use and what is suitable safety wise for an F1 car may not be for a bike etc.
Generally the stewarding in F1 needs improving. When comparing to Moto Gp/2/3 it is miles behind.
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Post by sport✅ on Oct 25, 2024 10:39:57 GMT
I just don't get why the stewards aren't listening to the Internet?!?!?!
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 25, 2024 11:06:43 GMT
Reducing run off areas / adding gravel would help too. Can be tricky though with tracks being multi use and what is suitable safety wise for an F1 car may not be for a bike etc. Generally the stewarding in F1 needs improving. When comparing to Moto Gp/2/3 it is miles behind. Would help a bit but as you say it's tricky to do and wouldn't fully resolve this anyway. Under current rules drivers on the outside still get pushed onto the gravel if the corner is an overtaking spot, look at Austria T4/T5/T6. Plus it's usually battle over once this happens. Better to just stop the shoving so wheel to wheel battles last longer.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 26, 2024 6:55:24 GMT
Stewards rejected McLaren's appeal on the grounds their wasn't any new information and refused to even engage with their argument. Fair play to McLaren for trying, they've at least drawn a lot of attention to flaws in the regs.
But essentially we're left hoping for Red Bull reliability issues to have a WDC fight.
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Post by Gruf on Oct 26, 2024 7:44:12 GMT
Looking good for that in Mexico so far.
Verstappen will not be passed without gaming the system, he is both skillful and cuntish
Well past time to shelve the nice boy image Lando and get the elbows out.
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Post by mastercracker on Oct 26, 2024 13:36:57 GMT
Surely a bit mental that Norris missed FP1 so Pato O’Ward could have a go?
Just seems like more ‘happy to be here’ attitude from McLaren unless it was completely contractual and unavoidable.
I can’t see for a minute Verstappen would miss any running if 57 points behind so someone else can have some running time.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 26, 2024 15:45:29 GMT
All 20 regular drivers have to give up one FP1 session for a young driver each season by regulation. I assume Lando hadn't done this yet and Piastri had.
O'Ward is Mexican so this was probably in his contract. It does seem a bit crazy that they did this on a weekend that was also the Pirelli tyre test but perhaps they didn't know that at the time it was all agreed.
I imagine it's quite hard thing to plan anyway. Not sure there really is an ideal time for a driver to miss FP1 (maybe if the weather is totally unrepresentative) but that's probably why it's a regulation with it confirmed in advance.
You're right though it does mean Lando has yet to have any representative running this weekend.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 26, 2024 15:51:20 GMT
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Post by mastercracker on Oct 26, 2024 21:13:51 GMT
Mariachi F1 theme best be back tomorrow or I’m rioting.
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Post by mastercracker on Oct 26, 2024 21:20:09 GMT
Please, someone put Perez out of his misery.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 26, 2024 21:25:30 GMT
This week's rumour that Red Bull are exploring the possibility of getting Piastri out of his McLaren contract to replace Perez seems pretty ironic.
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Post by Red_Bool on Oct 26, 2024 21:54:46 GMT
Mariachi F1 theme best be back tomorrow or I’m rioting. My son agrees. I totally forgot about it, but he reminded me.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 26, 2024 22:00:05 GMT
Track limits motherfucker!
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Post by Red_Bool on Oct 26, 2024 22:02:16 GMT
Took a while for them to call it. We thought it was obvious.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 26, 2024 22:09:06 GMT
Sainz on fire there.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 26, 2024 22:09:20 GMT
Brilliant lap from Sainz.
Same pecking order as Texas on quite a different track which suggests Ferrari are on top and Red Bull really are back.
Not helpful for McLaren. WCC also looking doubtful now.
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Post by Red_Bool on Oct 26, 2024 22:09:49 GMT
I still don't understand why Ferrari is letting Sainz go. Such a waste... Given Lewis' current form it seems like a big gamble.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 26, 2024 22:14:29 GMT
I didn't understand Red Bull letting him go, nevermind Ferrari.
Obviously Hamilton brings a uniquely massive chunk of marketing clout, so money is realistically the answer.
Maybe Hamilton will prove us wrong. I rate him as potentially the best in my life time but he's past his prime and I'm far from convinced he's better than Sainz any more.
I'm concerned Leclerc will humble him.
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Post by damagedinc on Oct 26, 2024 22:15:10 GMT
I still don't understand why Ferrari is letting Sainz go. Such a waste... Given Lewis' current form it seems like a big gamble. Lewis is doing pretty well considering merc trying to fuck his season up as much as possible. Feel for sainz. Such a good driver, the Lewis thing is just bad timing as there's no other seats for him. Ferrari and Hamilton is marketing gold.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 26, 2024 22:19:21 GMT
Nah, Merc don't help themselves by screwing Hamilton. Pretty sure his relative drop off is the natural consequence of reaching the end of the line.
I just think it's a combination of soft factors: Hamilton is getting old, he won't be privy to all technical data, he's probably not as motivated as he could be, Merc will give Russell the best parts, and Russell is bloody good.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 26, 2024 23:09:20 GMT
Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced he's a spent force, just a spent force at Merc. We'll only really know next year, if the Ferrari is any good. He's definitely de-mob happy though. Proper on the beach - if you can be on yhe beach when haring around a race track at 200mph anyway.
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Post by muddyfunster on Oct 27, 2024 12:28:36 GMT
Hamilton's not yet close to checking out as much as Alonso did in 2018. Remember him cutting the chicane in Abu Dhabi on three consecutive laps? On a different topic, good to see racing rules will now be reviewed at the Qatar GP. Seems like they did listen to the internet Seriously though, it shows the power of a driver/team has to highlight racing reg issues. If Lando had given the place back or McLaren not kept it in the media spotlight by appealing I suspect the FIA would not be acting.
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Post by mastercracker on Oct 27, 2024 19:56:07 GMT
Mariachi F1 theme best be back tomorrow or I’m rioting. RIOT Riot Cancelled
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