The Wrasslin Thread

I was going to say replaced Darby/Perry, but I suppose they wanted STINNNGG for the night time. 

Yeah they should have swapped the women's title matches around but was never going to be allowed to happen.

Yeah he did. Rhea said in an interview that he basically thinks he's peaked in WWE so wasn't looking to go back.

They really bringing Shane in....

I'd love for someone to explain to me the appeal of Jack Perry and Daniel Garcia.

Jack Perry inspired the “Your Dad’s Dead” meme so that’s got to be worth something.

Dom's character work has been great but if you can't go in the ring it's a bit pointless for my tastes - all that great build to finish with a whimper is one of the most unsatisfying things in wrestling. It's quite shocking how poor/average he is considering who his dad is.

Not surprised Perry's character doesn't do it for a Punk fan. I'm not completely sold on it either but like I said, it feels a bit like a work in progress and they're trying to figure out how to get it more over. Live crowds seem to like the references though, particularly Cry Me a River and whenever he pulls the glass out. 

He's only 27 - plenty of time to figure it out or even scrap it and go a completely different route.

Eh, where do you source this info?

Baker/Mone match was the worst match of the night and Meltzer basically gave it the same rating as Perry/Allin....and the Storm/May match he rated *higher* than two of the men's matches on the full card (he gave it three and three quarters stars, which seems about right?)

There's so much fanboy social media disinformation at the moment.

I saw another "lol look at Meltzers All In ratings" graphic yesterday that showed him giving the Mone match 4 stars, Jericho 5stars etc and I think people post this bullshit stuff to drive engagement on their feeds as the comments thread was a predictable fanboy cesspool.

The worst bit is that people consistently fall for it and spread it - even when it's blatantly absurd eg Meltzer rating Storm/May lower than every mens match which includes Hook/Jericho or Perry/Allin. As if that would be true. Dave is often wrong, but he knows his wrestling.

It triggers into a narrative people already have about him that's a bit OTT in the grand scheme, often based on this notion he's biased rather than just often misinformed/wrong.

How is this misinformation?



Mariah and Toni is a 4. Meltzer has 100% a problem with women

Am I missing something?

You said Meltzer gave the women the worst ratings , richardiox corrected you about Storm/May and then you double down showing a graphic that shows the Storm/May wasn't the worst match of the night? Unless you mean specifically Mone/Baker which absolutely was the worst match of the night.

Meltzer has a problem with women? The same Meltzer who has given Manami Toyota 13 5* matches, two of which were named MOTY? The same guy who has given high ratings (4* or more) to Sasha/Bayley (5*), Lynch/Flair and tons of Stardom matches over the last decade? 

It's common knowledge that Meltzer favours a more athletic, fast-pased in ring product over matches that focus on storytelling. Storm/May was heavy on the latter so I don't see an issue with his rating. To equate it to him having a problem with women is frankly bizarre.

The hatred of Meltzer, particularly since the formation of AEW, absolutely baffles me.

The guy is a wrestling historian - he's been watching wrestling since before most of us were even born and has probably forgotten more wrestling than we can remember. He was the first wrestling journalist who tried to add a little credibility to the sport. He's been reporting on wrestling for 40+ years and is a genuine pioneer. His detail, his wrestling history knowledge and his in-depth analysis is second to none. He has spent more time researching and writing about wrestling than practically anyone. He's wrestling's version of Christgau or Ebert.

Saying he constantly lies is ridiculous - "lies" is to intentionally deceive and isn't the same as being fed misinformation and reporting it. Every wrestling journalist/dirtsheet has been guilty of publishing false information (as wrestling companies purposefully put it out at times) but they don't get the vitriol Meltzer does. Cornette is a nasty, racist piece of work and has come out with loads of shite this last decade but he gets a pass because he shits on AEW regularly.

I honestly think it boils down to salty WWE fans who don't like that he's not into the safer, sanitised WWE-style of wrestling and consequently doesn't rate their matches that highly. His high ratings of AEW matches (and his friendship with the Bucks) must really stick in their craw too. I personally think he overrates AEW and underrates WWE but again, it's just his personal view/tastes.

The part I don't get is that if he's a hack and irrelevant and his match star ratings are bollocks why do fans who favour WWE constantly bring them up and talk about them? It's just one guy's opinion, right? Just don't read his stuff, it's pretty easily done.

One big issue with Daves ratings is Tony going on about them constantly and trying to act like Meltzer is the go to guy for match ratings. This is the guy who never gave the likes of HBK and Kurt a 5 star match by the way...

In regards to the women he does always seem to score them lower. You can't tell me Toni/Mariah was only slightly better than Jericho/Hook.

News sites play into it as well. They know posting Daves scores will get those tweets lots of attention and responses.

Why should anyone care? Just watch what you enjoy and stop reading all the shite on X and Reddit.

I’d put Hook on this list too.

Zero charisma and all his matches are snoozefests.

I quite like Perry he’s very much a work-in-progress but at least you can see an endpoint that he’s evolving toward.

You posted here to say Meltzer gave the women's matches the worst ratings.

He didn't give the women's matches the worst ratings as that tweet shows. All of those star ratings feel about right for those matches.