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Post by simple on Apr 4, 2023 11:25:42 GMT
Is he popular with other kids at the start? I thought he was the weird one people don't like because of his special mark. "Has it got a special mark? I can't take it without a special mark?" When they’re all trying to get dates for the Jarvis Cocker gig they’re having at school one Christmas Harry is being really big headed because loads of lasses are after him and Hermione says “they only like you because they think you’re special” and Harry is like “I am special” and its the only line thats stuck with me from the entire franchise. Probably because the stuff around the dance is the most real the kids ever feel as characters. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 11:50:45 GMT
I mean fuck everything about this, but even if JKR hadn't become pro-genocide in her old age I still don't get who this is for. The movies are still fairly beloved by the fanbase, and the books with their antisemitism, constant fat-shaming and weird pro-slavery shit are hardly a rich tapestry of deep world building and compelling themes that could be better explored in a TV show. Yeah the game did gangbusters but that wasn't a retread like this would be.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 4, 2023 12:07:00 GMT
Well, if you are 40 now then you'd have been 14 when the first book came out, and 28 when the last movie came out. And the books and movies were almost an annual event for those 14 years of your youth, so it's not really surprising that you'd have nostalgia for them (if you liked them). Especially as the books were trumpeted as something that was for adults as well, so even if you were 50 it wouldn't be that weird for you to have started reading the books at age 24. I'm probably more surprised that young kids these days are familiar with them. Given the sales of Hogwarts Legacy, I'm not surprised HBO want the lovely cash, but I am a bit surprised they're planning to just straight up remake the books, given how iconic the movies and the actors in those roles were. It's true that the 'school life' nature of the books does make them pretty good fodder for a YA-type tv show (i mean, school based dramas are a big thing), and the later books would probably have enough to flesh out whole seasons. It's just the recasting. Though I guess I did say that I thought the younger generation wouldn't be familiar with the originals.. I am 50 this year and had absolutely no interest when I was 24 in reading the books. They were absolutely seen as kids books. And being a bit of a dick, I widely mocked adults who did read them. My son is going through them now and is properly invested. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 4, 2023 12:23:33 GMT
I remember reading the first one because everyone was going on about it, and thinking it was a bit meh, but then the ending kinda redeemed it.
Book 2 was rubbish, but after that I kinda got into them, and *everyone* in my office was reading them by about book 4 or 5.
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 4, 2023 15:19:01 GMT
I remember loads of adults were reading the books when they first came out. Quite possibly it’s the limit of a lot of people’s reading comprehension, which is fine - reading is good.
I can see there would be a lot of people that will watch this who are 30+
I read them all last year just because. I didn’t think they were great and there’s a lot better out there but there’s more imagination in there (whether it’s original or not) than most people have in their lives or normally read. They aren’t a great deal worse than LotR.
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Post by arnvidr on Apr 5, 2023 15:46:39 GMT
As far as I remember I really enjoyed the movies as they came out. Was also reading all the books as they came out, although I was a bit older, as my sister was buying them. Don't really remember if I thought they were good, or if I was just invested in "getting to the end", but had no trouble getting through.
Looking forward to checking out a series if it actually happens. Not sure what people mean when they're using the LotR series as justification for why it won't work, that series was pretty good?
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Post by simple on Apr 5, 2023 16:02:34 GMT
I wonder how much padding with lore they’re going do since tonally those first two books and films are very clearly for 7-10 yr old children and quite light on content then as the series slipped into the YA bracket each entry was double the size of the one before.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 5, 2023 16:08:14 GMT
I almost guarantee there's going to be a subplot somewhere about cancel culture.
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Post by technoish on Apr 5, 2023 17:18:19 GMT
You folks are worse than hipsters.
The books are/were insanely popular with loads of age groups.
Is it high literature? No.
And anybody that thinks the 3rd film isn't good is awful. It's a proper blockbuster.
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Post by dogbot on Apr 5, 2023 17:22:24 GMT
I wonder how much padding with lore they’re going do since tonally those first two books and films are very clearly for 7-10 yr old children and quite light on content then as the series slipped into the YA bracket each entry was double the size of the one before. It's HBO, so presumably it'll all be BDSM parties in the dungeons. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 5, 2023 17:25:28 GMT
You folks are worse than hipsters. The books are/were insanely popular with loads of age groups. Is it high literature? No. And anybody that thinks the 3rd film isn't good is awful. It's a proper blockbuster. Calm down, JK. |
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Post by technoish on Apr 5, 2023 17:27:01 GMT
You folks are worse than hipsters. The books are/were insanely popular with loads of age groups. Is it high literature? No. And anybody that thinks the 3rd film isn't good is awful. It's a proper blockbuster. Calm down, JK. I'll calm down when I next get round to counting my billions, thank you very much. How many Bugattis do you have? |
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Post by Dougs on Apr 5, 2023 17:44:17 GMT
Andrew! How was jail?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 6, 2023 1:56:30 GMT
As far as I remember I really enjoyed the movies as they came out. Was also reading all the books as they came out, although I was a bit older, as my sister was buying them. Don't really remember if I thought they were good, or if I was just invested in "getting to the end", but had no trouble getting through. Looking forward to checking out a series if it actually happens. Not sure what people mean when they're using the LotR series as justification for why it won't work, that series was pretty good? The books and the movies also complemented each other pretty well. You could watch and enjoy the movies without having read the books, but they cut out a lot of the small points and school life/drama/escapades. They usually added in enough nods towards those events that if you had read the books it added a fair bit of context and depth. The format that allowed each one to be a new school grade was hardly original to HP, but it still worked rally well. Also, the frequency of the books/movies coming out just meant that you were inhabiting that world with those characters for a long time and they came to feel very familiar. I wouldn't put the books or the movies in my all time top 10 list or anything, but I was still genuinely kinda sad when the series finished and you knew it was goodbye. PS/ Love LotR but I only got about 3-4 episodes into the Amazon series before I drifted away. It wasn't awful or anything, it was just very disjointed. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 6, 2023 3:30:50 GMT
I was probably the right age for Harry Potter but read a bit and thought it wasn't as good as Pratchett so didn't bother with rest of it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 6, 2023 4:13:15 GMT
That's a pretty high bar though.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 6, 2023 4:41:06 GMT
True, but I just thought there was a lot of better stuff out there. Still do.
They are easy to read and the simplicity means they appealled wider than something more interesting, I give her that.
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Post by Zyrr on Apr 6, 2023 6:35:37 GMT
My oldest was into Harry Potter back when the films were still a thing. I watched the first few with the kids but never finished the series myself. She then fully embraced the Twilight craze as she hit her teens. I watched the first one and that was enough for me to know I was not the target audience lol
I know this is going to annoy people, but I've always viewed the likes of HP and Twilight as all the same sort of thing - it was all marketed at the same audience, but Twilight is the series the HP fans got into when their hormones finally kicked in.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 6, 2023 7:10:28 GMT
HP is just one in a long line of kids school life and adventure book series, along the lines of Just William, Famous Five and The Worst Witch.
Twilight is Buffy fan-fiction, and as far as I can tell it triggered all the fan-fiction authors to stop writing direct fan-fiction and instead self-publish their fan-fiction on amazon with different character names.
Almost all the YA fantasy/sci-fi stuff reads like fan-fiction to me these days.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 6, 2023 7:55:51 GMT
Twilight is Buffy fan-fiction, Wait, do you mean that literally? Sure you aren't thinking of Fifty Shades that was originally a fanfic of Twilight? Think you are right about the connection between HP and those classic British children's literature. I expect many adults were drawn to it by nostalgia for the old Enid Blyton stories and the like. They also have that Game of Thrones thing of the fantasy world building elements building up as the series progresses, rather than throwing it at you all straight from the off. It works well as a gateway into that style of fiction, so those that read it before reading other similar series will always have fondness for it (unless, you know, the writer does something to reveal themselves to be a dick). |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 6, 2023 8:05:56 GMT
I had heard that it was, but a quick google says that the author claims it wasn't.
Personally, I can't imagine how it wasn't deeply influenced by it though. It's basically Buffy & Angel fanfic.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 6, 2023 8:13:49 GMT
Oh, certainly. I've not read them or seen the films, but I'm sure there must be some "inspirations" shall we say. From the little I know of them, I expect there is quite a bit of sanitised Anne Rice there too.
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Post by technoish on Apr 6, 2023 11:19:25 GMT
Twilight is nothing like Buffy?!
It doesn't have an actual slayer in it.
And was Buffy really the first story of human and vampire love?? Also, the core twilight story is a love triangle, not just vampire/human.
And in Buffy's world, werewolves and vampires more likely to be working together than eternal enemies.
If fanfic the resemblance is tiny, and it's nothing more than a teeny bit inspired.
Twilight is very very very heavily geared towards t(w)eenage girls. Hardly the same as HP (or Buffy).
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 6, 2023 12:02:07 GMT
Buffy fanfic, not buffy itself.
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Post by cubby on Apr 6, 2023 12:12:10 GMT
Did they learn maths and english as well as all the 29 different magic classes they had to do to pass their owls? What kind of careers were most of these children expecting to do? Work at hogsmeade? Do most just go back to muggle society and get a normal job, what qualifications do they show employers?
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Post by dogbot on Apr 6, 2023 12:14:30 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 6, 2023 12:17:30 GMT
Maybe now they'll have the creative license to finally show that Dumbledore is gay. JK just sorta forgot to mention it in the books after all and revealed it through Twitter cause she was bored. All those JK fans leaping to her defense for Hogwarts Legacy will be all in favor of it right?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 6, 2023 12:17:58 GMT
I always wondered how the OFSTED inspections went.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2023 12:30:34 GMT
I'm amazed Buffy has fans on here, it's the same level of shitness that Charmed is.
And that level is really shit.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 6, 2023 12:39:24 GMT
Ironically I always thought Buffy had the CHARM that Charmed didn't have. To conclude, Charmed was hot garbage.
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