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Post by zephro on Mar 4, 2023 12:31:37 GMT
Yeah they never made a sequel or anything to Fields of Glory. Only things I can really think of that follow the thread are Sid Meier's Gettysburg (and Antietam), so also Ultimate General: Gettysburg, and Take Command/Scourge of War, though the Waterloo one is kind of unplayable. But the American Civil War isn't as fun as Napoleonic, the cavalry is dull as are the colours.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 4, 2023 12:34:15 GMT
There was a People Make Games video about that nuclear Ghandi thing... but I can't actually remember the conclusion. Pretty certain the story that it was an integer variable rolling from its highest value to 0 is a myth though.
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Post by zephro on Mar 4, 2023 12:34:48 GMT
I'm not sure I could actually go back to Civ 4 now. The doom stack fighting would get tedious really fast.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 4, 2023 12:38:48 GMT
Agree. I do think the 1 unit per tile is a bit of an extreme reaction though. It ends up forcing you to shuffle things around a lot, which can get tedious when you have a large army.
I would rather see units having a size and tiles having a capacity. So, you could have standard infantry have a size of 1 and a tile have a size 5 allowing 5 infantry. Artillery could have a size of 3, so you could have 1 artillery and 2 infantry on the same tile. Mountains and rough terrain would have a lower size, whilst open field tiles would be larger.
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Post by deekyfun on Mar 4, 2023 12:40:57 GMT
Meier and Reynolds both say it isn't true, and the rolling integer thing wouldn't have made a difference. Later Civs pay homage to it I think. They say Gandhi is no more likely to launch a nuke than the other lower aggression Civs, but India's focus on science makes them more likely to have developed Nukes faster.
I think the idea of an (in-game) nuclear obsessed Gandhi just an has innate narrative appeal. Also, I just think you'd remember Gandhi nuking you more so than the Mongols, etc. I'm off to do some testing of this hypothesis.
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Post by Chopper on Mar 4, 2023 13:23:24 GMT
I have never played a Civ game. One for the gaming shame thread.
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Post by Hanimalle on Mar 5, 2023 10:26:49 GMT
I'm quite excited about this :
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 5, 2023 10:31:25 GMT
Isn't there an Age of Wonders on Game Pass. Planetfall and/or 3 maybe?
I'm sure it was on my list of games to play on there. Worth giving a go? Not a series I've played before. I understand it is a bit Civ-like, but more focused on the combat, but don't really know much about it.
Also, been meaning to give Dune: Spice Wars a try on Game Pass. Anyone played that? I've heard good things.
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Post by deekyfun on Mar 5, 2023 11:33:39 GMT
So yesterday I played Civ 1, Civ 2, Civ 3, a little of Civ 4 and Civ 5.
Civ 1 strangely still held up. Its obviously much more simple than the newer games, but that simplicity was actually quite nice in some ways. I remember playing this on the Amiga way back when, and I do miss things like the build-a-castle screen.
However, I feel like its completely superceded by Civ 2, which is just like a bigger enhanced version of the first game. Civ 2 was the one I'd played most as a teenager, and it was a real memory blast seeing it again. Annoying, the version I found didn't have the FMV advisors, which I miss. No castle, but there is a throne room.
I got Civ 3 while I was at university, and the only thing I can remember is that I was big into Everquest at the time, so while I played it, I never fully got into it. Playing it now, it feels like a solid iteration of those early 2d games; the cultural borders are introduced here. I'm not as fond of the artstyle, but I like the build queue automation ideas.
Civ 4 is still great. Its looking a bit old now, but it feels large and interesting, and its got Baba Yetu. It did tell me my pc isn't powerful enough for it, so it must be very powerful indeed.
Civ 5. I expected to be less thrilled about this one, as in my head I had told myself that it wasn't as good as 4, but turns out I actually really like this game, and ended up playing way past bed time and didn't have time to play 6.
So the series seems to escalate and iterate nicely, but I actually think any one of these games is still a good play today. I think I remember the newer ones as being worse because they sometimes launched a bit rough, but subsequent patches and add ons end up resolving these things. So maybe dont buy Civ 7 until all the inevitable expansions come out and you can get a cheaper 'ultimate/complete' edition.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Mar 5, 2023 11:56:03 GMT
Isn't there an Age of Wonders on Game Pass. Planetfall and/or 3 maybe? I'm sure it was on my list of games to play on there. Worth giving a go? Not a series I've played before. I understand it is a bit Civ-like, but more focused on the combat, but don't really know much about it. Also, been meaning to give Dune: Spice Wars a try on Game Pass. Anyone played that? I've heard good things. Planetfall is excellent, definitely give it a go. |
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Post by Hanimalle on Mar 5, 2023 19:06:09 GMT
Isn't there an Age of Wonders on Game Pass. Planetfall and/or 3 maybe? I'm sure it was on my list of games to play on there. Worth giving a go? Not a series I've played before. I understand it is a bit Civ-like, but more focused on the combat, but don't really know much about it. Also, been meaning to give Dune: Spice Wars a try on Game Pass. Anyone played that? I've heard good things. Planetfall is excellent, definitely give it a go. I second that, though I've just looked at Game Pass and it doesn't seem to be included sadly. I'm a big fan of the franchise though my favorite remains Age of Wonders : Shadow Magic. |
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 5, 2023 19:28:57 GMT
Yeah, I glanced after posting and seems to not be on there any more. I'll add to my Steam wishlist though. It's been around a while, so I'm sure is a good price on sale.
Gave Dune: Spice Wars a go this afternoon. Seems interesting with quite a lot going on, although definitely still an early access game. Need to play bit more to get to grips with it properly, but quite like some of the ideas.
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Post by Chopper on Mar 6, 2023 8:40:02 GMT
Yeah, thirded for AoW Planetfall - it's a really good 4X featuring chunky tactical combat with an emphasis on modding your units and moving up a tech tree to unlock a bunch of cool mods. It goes for a couple of quid in sales, I believe.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 12, 2023 11:06:02 GMT
Was tempted to pick up Total War: Warhammer 3 in this weekends Steam sale, but then realised that I actually never got around to playing 2 and only briefly played 1. Should correct that when I finish off CoH3 campaigns (very nearly done the Italy one).
Any recommendations for DLC for either first or second game for someone that doesn't really know anything about the Warhammer factions?
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Post by zephro on Mar 12, 2023 12:03:10 GMT
So there's a lot of factions which then have Legendary Lords to specialise within them.
If you own the 3 base games then you'd get to pick most of:
- Empire, Dwarves, Greenskins, Bretonnia, Vampire Counts
- High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen, Skaven
- 4 Chaos Daemon factions, Cathay, Kislev
There's some recommended first starts. Empire, High Elves, Cathay I think.
The rest of the DLC falls into 2 types:
- Full Faction - Warriors of Chaos, Vampire Coast, Tomb Kings, Wood Elves, Norsica, Ogre Kingdoms, Beastmen, Champions of Chaos (like Warriors but with special chaos god variants). Which introduces the base faction and 2-4 Lords for that faction.
- Legendary Lord Pairings, which contain 2 lords from 2 of the factions. Usually the more specialist ones rather than the +10% magic ones. So ones where a trad faction works more like a Horde one etc. If you buy these without the base ones you get just that single lord for the faction.
The main campaign is worth 1 playthrough but the real meat is all in the sandbox mode Immortal Empires now.
What kind of play style do you prefer? As there's everything from gun happy raiding zombie pirates, to hard as nails slow dwarves, fast glass hammer elves etc. There's also just play by the rule of cool.
Owning the base games gets you most of the factions and lords really, or enough of a broad variety.
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Post by Hanimalle on Mar 12, 2023 14:48:32 GMT
It's worth noting that Total War: Warhammer 3 is also on Game Pass, you could give it a try if you already have a subscription.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 12, 2023 15:09:05 GMT
I assume the Game Pass version won't interact with my Steam versions of 1 and 2 though? I assume I wouldn't have access to all the factions from those games for Immortal Empire. I did play the first game and enjoyed it although got distracted before finishing a campaign (as dwarves). As I say, probably should actually boot up the second one before getting the third game as well. I'm sure it will be in a sale another time. zephro - thanks for the breakdown. Always like a bit of variety, so don't mind mixing up play styles. The weirder the better. Definitely more interested in the full factions. |
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Post by zephro on Mar 12, 2023 16:03:15 GMT
I think there's a free weekend of 3 on Steam currently. AFAIK the game pass and steam versions don't unlock together.
Empire are probably the most round variable side. Then Cathay. Bit of everything, the usual standard human faction. Skaven are weird, just hordes and hordes of cowardly shit infantry but with massive mad doom wheels and lightning cannons, usually launching ambushes. They build their bases under other people's.
Then there's Vampire Coast and Wood Elves who are just shooting, falling back, shooting more.
Beastmen don't have settlements they just burn everything, raid and ambush.
It's very asymmetrical.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 12, 2023 19:07:41 GMT
So yesterday I played Civ 1, Civ 2, Civ 3, a little of Civ 4 and Civ 5. Civ 1 strangely still held up. Its obviously much more simple than the newer games, but that simplicity was actually quite nice in some ways. I remember playing this on the Amiga way back when, and I do miss things like the build-a-castle screen. However, I feel like its completely superceded by Civ 2, which is just like a bigger enhanced version of the first game. Civ 2 was the one I'd played most as a teenager, and it was a real memory blast seeing it again. Annoying, the version I found didn't have the FMV advisors, which I miss. No castle, but there is a throne room. I got Civ 3 while I was at university, and the only thing I can remember is that I was big into Everquest at the time, so while I played it, I never fully got into it. Playing it now, it feels like a solid iteration of those early 2d games; the cultural borders are introduced here. I'm not as fond of the artstyle, but I like the build queue automation ideas. Civ 4 is still great. Its looking a bit old now, but it feels large and interesting, and its got Baba Yetu. It did tell me my pc isn't powerful enough for it, so it must be very powerful indeed. Civ 5. I expected to be less thrilled about this one, as in my head I had told myself that it wasn't as good as 4, but turns out I actually really like this game, and ended up playing way past bed time and didn't have time to play 6. So the series seems to escalate and iterate nicely, but I actually think any one of these games is still a good play today. I think I remember the newer ones as being worse because they sometimes launched a bit rough, but subsequent patches and add ons end up resolving these things. So maybe dont buy Civ 7 until all the inevitable expansions come out and you can get a cheaper 'ultimate/complete' edition. Civ 2 is best civ. There's a open source rip off of it that been around for years, that I can't remember the name of. Keep meaning to give it a go. Civ 5 has always felt poorly maligned (relatively) to me, so I'm glad it stood up. It had a clearer gaming mechanic, and things didn't get so lost in the minutiae, which imho is where 4 and 6 fell down. 3 was just boring. |
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Post by zagibu on Mar 12, 2023 23:56:43 GMT
It's called Freeciv. There is also an Openciv, but it's work in progress.
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Post by Hanimalle on Mar 14, 2023 17:25:32 GMT
Speaking of Warhammer III :
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 18:37:12 GMT
Anno 1800 launches today on console, and is free to play for a week. More city sim than strategy I think but there is certainly fleet combat too. Looks pretty pretty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 18:40:22 GMT
Oops
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Post by deekyfun on Mar 16, 2023 19:04:12 GMT
Every time I buy an Anno game I'm super excited to build a beautiful city like the ones they show on the screenshots.
Two hours later, as I gaze upon my miss-shapen shanty town comprised of a composite of twigs, mud and compromise, I have to begrudgingly accept this will never happen.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Mar 16, 2023 20:12:41 GMT
Hah, I know the feeling  Just grabbed 1800 on Xbox today. Once I’ve got my round things a bit more I’ll probably start over and make things look a bit more aesthetically pleasing. |
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 17, 2023 23:39:51 GMT
During the Total War Warhammer sale, I decided I wouldn't bother buying anything and just finally play the second one. Went with the recommended starting High Elf Lord. Got to about turn 70 and was confused as to why I had no option in diplomacy for Avelorn to join confederacy. I have now spent £4 to in order to make this happen.
I was going to get the other High Elf DLC as well, but looks like that lord is off somewhere else and probably won't have much impact on what I'm doing in this campaign. I did get the Vampire one though, as they look a fun faction.
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Post by zephro on Mar 18, 2023 9:53:01 GMT
Huh it never occurred to me that it would make confederation impossible that you don't have access to that lord.
Eltharion is also DLC and is half on Ulthuan half in the Old World, Imrik is free DLC and he's off in the worlds edge mountains somewhere, and Alith Anar who is also free DLC.
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Post by Triarii on Mar 20, 2023 14:21:57 GMT
Anno 1800 launches today on console, and is free to play for a week. More city sim than strategy I think but there is certainly fleet combat too. Looks pretty pretty. I was absolutely addicted to 1404 recently, played a bit over the weekend on Xbox and enjoyed myself. Was all set to buy it until I did a bit of research and found out that the console version won't get any of the DLC that the PC version did. Might buy on Steam and play via GeForce Now instead. |
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 7, 2023 7:56:09 GMT
Saw this mentioned in the free thread, but thought I would mention it here in case anyone missed it. Field (no s) of Glory 2 is free on Steam at the moment. The game came up on this thread a while back and thought some might be interested. store.steampowered.com/app/660160/Field_of_Glory_II/ |
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 5, 2024 10:07:18 GMT
Steam Next Fest is coming today and will be including access to the beta of Stormgate, a new RTS from ex-Blizzard people.
I chucked some money at the Kickstarter, so have had access since Friday (and after the Steam event ends), but haven't really had much of a chance to play yet. The brief amount I have played though shows this is very, very much more StarCraft. There are some unique mechanics, but it is pretty clear that this is the same people, with even the races very much following the same template (only two races at the moment, but fully expect the unrevealed third race to be space elves). If you like StarCraft though then this is shaping up to be a must play.
Still feels a little rough around the edges and I would say it lacks character at the moment, but hopefully that just means a lot of the art is placeholder currently. The brief play I had felt good though.
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