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Post by š on Feb 13, 2023 16:51:06 GMT
Goblin designer DLC incoming, sponsored by Hugo Boss.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 13, 2023 18:11:55 GMT
Goblin designer DLC incoming, sponsored by Hugo Boss. That's a deep cut.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Feb 13, 2023 18:41:51 GMT
JSS take on it
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Post by hedben on Feb 13, 2023 19:10:45 GMT
I imagine that 85 meta score would be slightly higher without some of the bias against the author. Conversely, I was thinking it should probably be lower, given the number of outlets that opted not to review it at all, and the likelihood that they would have enjoyed it less than the ones that did review it. Edit- hadnāt realised I was quoting an old comment but the point stands. If you can imagine anti JKR bias affecting review scores, it surely follows that the outlets not reviewing it would either have even more bias, or at least would be less likely to get swept up in pre-launch hype if they did review it
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 13, 2023 19:41:01 GMT
That video above is proper eye opening. What an awful human JKR is.
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Post by Frog on Feb 13, 2023 19:47:24 GMT
I think it's a good watch for anyone that wants a summary of JKR and why she is awful. I know a few people asked earlier on in the thread.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 13, 2023 20:18:42 GMT
You see this is the kind of stuff you wanna see, in regards to the Jimquisition giving an opinion on the subject matter. An actual opinion. I've noticed that places like EG are having a field day with deleting the comments of late and you wonder how much credibility they're losing by not actually saying something and deleting comments that mention the game and Rowling. I find it incredibly odd for a site that likes to really shout from the rooftops how into inclusivity it is, a site not too long ago was criticised for being extremely white and male, has been apart from a single blink and you miss it comment from staff that said they'd barely covered it. My stance is that they should have written an article about it, perhaps from a marginalised voice, educate people, close the comments and leave it at that because they've done this before around other topics. So far it's just become incredibly ironic how not mentioning one of the biggest games of the year has become akin to 'he who must not be named'.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 13, 2023 20:24:59 GMT
Completely agree..
Itās a joke that they arenāt covering it.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 13, 2023 20:27:00 GMT
Journalists arenāt supposed to avoid talking about difficult subjects. And they arenāt supposed to shut down people that ask questions about those difficult subjects.
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Post by Frog on Feb 13, 2023 20:32:12 GMT
That's covered a bit in the jimquisition video, outlets would likely be blacklisted if they go in too hard on WB, EA, Ubi and Activision. If they did that they wouldn't have much content going forward. Its a hard tightrope to walk along and one it's easy to point out the wrongs of from the outside but I wouldn't like to be the one making those decisions.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 13, 2023 20:32:17 GMT
Basically we want those clicks
Probably because John Linneman had a proper meltdown about the game the other day.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 13, 2023 20:37:46 GMT
That's covered a bit in the jimquisition video, outlets would likely be blacklisted if they go in too hard on WB, EA, Ubi and Activision. If they did that they wouldn't have much content going forward. Its a hard tightrope to walk along and one it's easy to point out the wrongs of from the outside but I wouldn't like to be the one making those decisions. I get that to a point, but they donāt have to go in hard, just talk about the issues like grown ups. Write something interesting. Review the game on its own merits and discuss the issues surrounding it. I would have thought it was a no brainer for them. Not wanting to be blacklisted is a pretty cowardly stance, especially if youāre going to pretend itās actually some form of protest.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 13, 2023 20:38:19 GMT
That's covered a bit in the jimquisition video, outlets would likely be blacklisted if they go in too hard on WB, EA, Ubi and Activision. If they did that they wouldn't have much content going forward. Its a hard tightrope to walk along and one it's easy to point out the wrongs of from the outside but I wouldn't like to be the one making those decisions. For sure it is a delicate tightrope but a lot of these sites have directly criticised the workings of Ubisoft and Activision. So therefore I'm struggling to see what was the reason for doing a straight up Voldemort.
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Post by nazo on Feb 13, 2023 20:42:04 GMT
Considering how click-baity EG is these days I'm amazed they're passing up the opportunity to generate some anti-woke rage views.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 13, 2023 20:42:46 GMT
Basically we want those clicks Probably because John Linneman had a proper meltdown about the game the other day. I'm actually watching the YouTube video of this, I'm not seeing any hypocrisy, Richard Leadbetter gives his views and feelings on the subject matter, an actual opinion as in them looking at the technology of the game doesn't mean he's tacitly endorsing the views of Rowling. You don't have to agree with it but it's at least an opinion.
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Post by Duffman5 on Feb 13, 2023 20:52:04 GMT
So what is the FG "hivemind" on playing HL then, it seems a good few of us on here are playing and enjoying. For anyone in this thread that refuses to play, due to reasons mentioned in vid, do you loathe those of us that just want to explore Hogwarts and play a game ? Not trying to be provocative, although I suppose it is hard not to? how many formites will come out and give their stance.
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Post by Frog on Feb 13, 2023 20:59:39 GMT
I said before I had no issues whatsoever with anyone choosing to buy it. I made my own decision based on knowing a bit about the situation and having met a few trans people and seeing the shit they go through on a frequent basis.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 13, 2023 21:02:12 GMT
I'll give you my stance. I'm not going to buy the game based on two reasons, one, I'm not a fan of the IP and I'm not going to buy the game because there's something new out, two, Rowling can get fucked. She has incredible reach and she's essentially fucked over so many people who found solace in her, IMO, terrible writing and I don't want her to receive my money it's the easiest thing I can do by not buying a videogame.
You play what you want to play I'm not going to judge you for that, you have the info regarding her views and you do with it what you want and we'll leave it at that. Me calling you a transphobe as some performative cunts have done leads to the fuckery of what we have now for public discourse with its extreme tribalism.
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Post by Duffman5 on Feb 13, 2023 21:10:40 GMT
@frog and Jambo, thanks for your viewpoint.
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Post by š on Feb 13, 2023 21:29:09 GMT
Iāve bought it because my fiancĆ©e has a very special place in her heart for all things HP even acknowledging the sheer horror of JKR, and weāre both comfortable enough internally to both do āseparate the art from the artistā and do charity stuff to offset the White Liberal Guilt. Not perfect but there we go. I donāt think anyone is bad for buying, playing, or even enjoying it, unless theyāre doing so -because- of the bad situation rather than in spite of it.
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Post by hedben on Feb 13, 2023 21:32:28 GMT
Itās a lot easier having no skin in the game.
Iām trying to imagine what Iād do if, say, the head of Fromsoft was exposed as a massive racist just as Elden Ring DLC was announced. I canāt say Iād boycott it in principle, and Iād probably be coming out with the same justifications if anyone questioned my āallyshipā, so I canāt harshly judge people who just want to play a game set in a world they love.
I do think if youāre not a massive Potter fan, and you just want to āseparate the art from the artistā and play games without having to think about how they came to be, thatās a bit more icky. But whatever, my stance isnāt going to change anything any more than yours is.
Edit- haha fuck, I really didnāt mean to call anyone out, hadnāt seen the most recent post before mine
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 13, 2023 21:34:07 GMT
My stance has flipped and flopped a bit. I was quite looking forward to this game, despite also finding JKR's views abhorrent. As already mentioned, I do enjoy Harry Potter (even if I'm not blind to its failings), both in book and film form and this did look like the first game of the franchise to really allow you to escape to that world. I didn't rush to get the game though, more because I had plenty of other games to be playing at the moment rather than any particular stance I was taking. I've considered buying it through a cd seller website or sending money to a LGBTQ+ charity whenever I do get around to buying it.
However, today I have watched that Jimquisition video and listened to similar comments made on the Waypoint podcast. They are completely right. How can I say I support transrights if I can't even do something as simple as not buying a video game? As I already said, there are lots and lots of other games around I can fill my time with and missing out on this one is probably not going to be a great loss.
Maybe there will come a time that I'll see it selling for a tenner on Steam and I'll be a hypocrite, but for the foreseeable future I can do without it.
Edit: obviously, I don't judge others who do buy it. Everyone draws their line differently.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 13, 2023 21:34:16 GMT
I would have likely played it at some point had she not lost her mind but I canāt support any wizarding world thing at the moment. I donāt really care if other people play, Iām not the boss of anyone. Like Jambo says, as a result of all this, everyone knows the score so whatever.
What I do object to is twattish things like the pathetic attempted triumphalism of posting sales figures like āhaha! See? Fuck you for caring about things!ā, like it selling a ton is somehow an endorsement of being a dickhead.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 13, 2023 21:35:10 GMT
@frog and Jambo, thanks for your viewpoint. No worries, I'm actually quite heart warmed that this place has largely avoided the absolute toxicity surrounding this.
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Post by MolarAmšµ on Feb 13, 2023 21:40:39 GMT
I hate each and every one of you equally, so don't worry your decision to play this will make no difference.
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Post by MolarAmšµ on Feb 13, 2023 21:41:07 GMT
Sorry, that was a typo. I love each and every one of you equally.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 13, 2023 21:41:09 GMT
VandelayWe all have our lines, I mean I refused to watch the world cup because of it being played in Qatar. It fucking sucked because I really wanted to watch it but that was my personal stand. I wasn't going to go around calling everyone cunts for enjoying it which many people did.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 13, 2023 21:43:31 GMT
If the girl has still be mad into it, I would likely have picked it up for her and donated the same again to mermaids, same as when I assuaged my guilt over watching the World Cup
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 21:43:32 GMT
I have always and will continue to judge harshly anyone who likes Harry Potter stuff.
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Post by gibroon on Feb 13, 2023 21:45:24 GMT
I must admit, I did not realise just how much of a nutball JK is with the anti-trans. I'm don't go on social media much so didn't realise quite how serious this game boycott was going to be for a lot of folk. The reason I bought it was pretty much a basic gaming reason. I saw somewone playing it on early access and said that looks pretty and a game I could get into. Some lovely lighting and shadows in the forest and exploration. It wasn't even on my radar but hey, not the first or last time impulse gets the better of me.
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