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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 14:04:07 GMT
I gave them a clap on my doorstep this morning. Antibiotics will clear that up.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 8, 2023 14:05:09 GMT
If people want to take a moral stand and think that this is how to do it, then great. Go for it. Genuine question that sounds sarcastic but isnt: are the books, movies, stage plays, memorabilia and theme parks getting boycotted too? I think a lot of people have decided that they don't want to own them, watch them etc yes. Again, that's their choice.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 8, 2023 14:05:31 GMT
All you can do is what you feel is the right thing to do, and leave everyone else to do what they choose. If you can’t or don’t want to separate the art from the artist, fine, if you can, fine.
In terms of everyone getting paid, sure, but so has JKR. She may get, what 0.003p from every coy sold, but it’s more likely that she’s just getting lump sums for use of the licence, and that’ll already be caught up in her deal with WB for everything Harry Potter related. Not buying this will have next to no effect on her whatsoever. She’s already got more money than she’ll ever need. To stop her influence she has you need to remove her voice and you’re just shit outta luck on that one. The only people it will affect are the dev studio and publisher, who will have had almost nothing to do with JKR other than building and marketing the game based on the thing she created 20 odd years ago. Boycotting a videogame is easy to do, as mentioned, because it’s not a necessity to own or play, and similarly, boycotting a video game is pointless because it’s not a necessity and won’t have any meaningful impact anywhere.
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 8, 2023 14:05:35 GMT
Should we boycott every game that hinges on the Cthulhu mythos because Howard was a massive racist? Or is that too long ago to matter? Difference is, you buying a copy of Lovecrafts books is not actively going to the author, who in this instance is very much alive, and is using it to fund and promote anti trans rhetoric that's happening right now.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 8, 2023 14:05:46 GMT
It's more so the way these outlets have been so self masturbatory about being so progressive and tackling the big societal issues through the gaming spectrum so people take the medium and themselves more seriously. "Look, we aren't all sweaty neckbeards who piss into mountain dew bottles in our bedrooms!"
Then what you'd have to say is the single biggest opportunity to pin your colours to the mast in the history of the industry comes along and you're magically saying nothing whatsoever. Reeks of cowardice and shows just how compromised all of these do-gooders truly are.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2023 14:06:09 GMT
Yet as I highlighted earlier, if said team are making positive steps to be inclusive of the trans community within that game derived from her work, should this not at least be acknowledged? I suppose you would also want to look at whether that was a genuine attempt to be inclusive or deflect attention away from the name over the door.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 8, 2023 14:06:46 GMT
It is a bit different. This is a fairly black and white thing twitter can be positive sometimes regardless of if the guy at the helm is a dickhole. And I think there is a genuine sense of loss for a lot of people banging on about it. Harry Potter meant a lot to a lot of people who now feel its been taken away from them and a lot of them would have been jazzed about a hogwarts game. For me, yes, it is an easy boycott as I find the whole wizarding world thing a bit embarassing and wouldnt have bought it even if it had been single handedly coded by Greta Thunberg and Ghandi. Ghandi has a few skeletons in his closet as well... I still remember the nukes raining down in Civ like it was yesterday... (yes I know you meant it seriously)
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Post by dogbot on Feb 8, 2023 14:07:26 GMT
It's more so the way these outlets have been so self masturbatory about being so progressive and tackling the big societal issues through the gaming spectrum so people take the medium and themselves more seriously. "Look, we aren't all sweaty neckbeards who piss into mountain dew bottles in our bedrooms!" Then what you'd have to say is the single biggest opportunity to pin your colours to the mast in the history of the industry comes along and you're magically saying nothing whatsoever. Reeks of cowardice and shows just how compromised all of these do-gooders truly are. So it's really about ethics in video game journalism? (sorry)
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Post by wunty on Feb 8, 2023 14:09:07 GMT
Yet as I highlighted earlier, if said team are making positive steps to be inclusive of the trans community within that game derived from her work, should this not at least be acknowledged? I suppose you would also want to look at whether that was a genuine attempt to be inclusive or deflect attention away from the name over the door. I think if it was to deflect attention then more would have been made of it. Maybe that’s the mistake. Maybe they should have released something to say “look, we don’t agree with this sentiment, which is why we are taking these steps to be inclusive”.
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Post by wunty on Feb 8, 2023 14:10:00 GMT
Should we boycott every game that hinges on the Cthulhu mythos because Howard was a massive racist? Or is that too long ago to matter? Difference is, you buying a copy of Lovecrafts books is not actively going to the author, who in this instance is very much alive, and is using it to fund and promote anti trans rhetoric that's happening right now. Actively supporting aside, it was more meant at how it morally sat with people knowing the views of the author.
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Post by cristar on Feb 8, 2023 14:11:19 GMT
Did Joe Rogan create Spotify, or he owns it? Never knew that.
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Post by Syrette on Feb 8, 2023 14:12:48 GMT
I'm sure it's already been said, but not buying it won't remotely affect her monetarily. She was paid for the licence, she's not getting any percentage from sales, iirc. You should let her know.
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 8, 2023 14:21:28 GMT
Difference is, you buying a copy of Lovecrafts books is not actively going to the author, who in this instance is very much alive, and is using it to fund and promote anti trans rhetoric that's happening right now. Actively supporting aside, it was more meant at how it morally sat with people knowing the views of the author. For me, a case of separating art from the artist has happened multiple times in music. Some of my favourite bands ever have had revelations where the front man has been massive racists or abusive towards their wife, in one instance it emerged the singer of one of these bands plotted to hire a hitman to kill his ex. I had difficulty contemplating it all, what they did was reprehensible...but damn those guitar riffs are really sick. Ultimately I decided that I couldn't change my feelings on the music that came before, but I also couldn't support the band or the individual going forward and found other alternatives. The same things happening with HP now as JK continues down this road. Separating art from artist...some people find it really easy, for others they just can't. And I don't think you can just blanket refuse or accept something regardless, it's all on a case by case basis. We all have bought a game that we know was made under ridiculous dev crunch environments or someone on the production is a massive racist, sex offender or going to publisher CEOs that fund political fundraisers you don't like.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 8, 2023 14:23:24 GMT
I'm sure it's already been said, but not buying it won't remotely affect her monetarily. She was paid for the licence, she's not getting any percentage from sales, iirc. You should let her know. Well, firstly it doesn't look like that's specifically about the game, which is what was under discussion. Secondly, I'd rather eat napalm, but don't let me stop you...
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2023 14:27:37 GMT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 8, 2023 14:31:46 GMT
What a cunt.
That said there are plenty of things I like where the creator is a cunt. I'm not going to call on anyone to boycott something they enjoy for that reason.
If the actual product was espousing her shitty views I'd feel different. But by all accounts it's not.
I'm happy to raise awareness but it's up to the individual to decide if a product that's not even directly created by Rowling should be "boycotted".
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 8, 2023 14:36:31 GMT
Maybe it's finally time to turn to cdkeys...
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Post by dogbot on Feb 8, 2023 14:38:29 GMT
From owning the intellectual property, which is a bit of a no brainer. But then, she's paid when Sky or whoever screens one of the movies, regardless of whether I watch it. Can't find anything that says she gets paid per copy, which was the point being laboured. Again, people are free to boycott or not, as they see fit. It's more about posturing on the internet than affecting the real world though. It won't affect her in the slightest and certainly not in the pocket, but whatever makes people feel better.
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Post by wunty on Feb 8, 2023 14:42:39 GMT
I'm sure it's already been said, but not buying it won't remotely affect her monetarily. She was paid for the licence, she's not getting any percentage from sales, iirc. You should let her know. I had to actually double check that was really her. What a fucking nob.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 8, 2023 14:42:53 GMT
I think I might never watch Thriller or Moonwalker, show that MJ who's boss.
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Post by wunty on Feb 8, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
I think I might never watch Thriller or Moonwalker, show that MJ who's bad.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 8, 2023 14:44:53 GMT
I think I might never watch Thriller or Moonwalker, show that MJ who's boss. Isn't the guy from Who's The Boss a bit of a twat, too?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 8, 2023 14:45:12 GMT
Best avoid that Megadrive Moonwalker game.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 8, 2023 14:47:08 GMT
Anyway I think points have been made and I'm happy to let people speak about and enjoy the game.
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Post by harrypalmer on Feb 8, 2023 14:47:51 GMT
Yep, I think we resolved that issue.
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 8, 2023 14:54:38 GMT
Yes Ive spent a fair amount of posts here talking about a game I have no interest in regardless of JKs involvement so I'll peace out. Looking forward to the next moral outrage and discussion when Six Days In Fallujah comes out later this year (yes, actually)
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 8, 2023 15:06:07 GMT
I'm sure it's already been said, but not buying it won't remotely affect her monetarily. She was paid for the licence, she's not getting any percentage from sales, iirc. That doesn't mean that you still shouldn't boycott it if you feel like you want to, fwiw. Wasn't there something about her initially selling the rights to Harry Potter to WB and it being considered a masterstroke of a deal? Could be misremembering, but I recall it was something along the lines of her taking a nominal fee for it, but would take some small percentage of all merchandise sales. WB rubbed their hands with glee thinking they screwed her out of loads of money, only to later find out that small percentage turned out to be worth billions. Think it also covered some creative control over the franchise and is partly why they are unlikely to be able to easily ditch her now she is being such dick. I recently heard that her insistence on creative control is why the Harry Potter land is at Universal, instead of at Disney where it was originally going to be. She was tring to have too much say over what the theme park contained (specifically, I understand she insisted it have no real world food and drink brands).
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Post by hedben on Feb 8, 2023 15:08:39 GMT
Yep I think we can wrap it up here, all we need to close the loop is an actual trans activist asking her followers to maybe calm the fuck down about the wizard game
Oh hey look
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2023 15:09:53 GMT
Can confirm, it does not. You can buy some fairly grim butter beer and relatively edible analogues of all the stuff from the movies, though.
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Post by Phattso on Feb 8, 2023 15:12:53 GMT
Did you have to climb over the bones of many Trans people to get in, Nick?
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