Marvel Cinematic Universe

Yeah and with Rorschach I think that's a fair assumption, because he doesn't look cool, and his "philosophy" is very much front and centre. He looks like a homeless man in a dumb mask (which is what he is). He unfortunately does have that one immortal line but that's it.

But I literally spelled out that I assumed most Joker tattoos would "looked cool" cases, and I noted that people who have tattoos of "badasses" are rarely that kind of creep. However, the recent Joker does not look cool and is not a badass. He looks like Joaquin Phoenix playing a mental case (and I'm sorry is not a great looking dude in that movie). So anyone with that, you know there's more to it.

I think I'd be a lot more forgiving to anyone who was under, say, 20, too.

Hey when I was like 14/15 I though Ozymandias was "objectively correct" and that yeah, sure he killed a few million people but he saved billions! He's the good guy! I don't know why everyone is so mad with him! I worked it out by the time I was about 17. I don't think teenagers can be held responsible for this stuff. But they're also unlikely to have elaborate tattoos.

Also wow Jeremy Irons such great casting for that role!

I do actually think his costume looks cool, I like the whole noir detective cosplay thing.

And I will say he has at least two killer lines - "I'm not locked in here with you..." but I think his best line is "I'll look down and whisper no". He's an absolute twat and think it's missing the point to idolise him, but he's very well written.

I've never really understood the Joker love, personally. I mean, at times, he's a great antagonist but I find it unusual that people identify with him.

Then again, some people idolise(d) Charles Manson, so...

This is why Alan Moore is a great writer and Zach Snyder is a fucking shit director.

It'd be interesting to see what a Rorschach written today would be like. Would he be totally QANON and all that bullshit? Actually what am I talking about he'd be FULLY into all that shit and believe he was doing the right thing to free people.

That's immortal in the sense of being memorable and conveying his character, but it's not a cool thing to say, it's a fucking a nutcase loser Taxi Driver-type thing to say. I mean, not that morons didn't idolize the loser in Taxi Driver. Some people...

Whereas the other thing is cool enough that before I'd read Watchman I'd heard the phrase and somehow to come to believe it originated with Wolverine.

I mean, he'd be distressed by anyone inspired by him, because his whole identity relies on him being Superior to everyone else, mentally. That's the whole complex he has - he's the only moral person, the only person doing The Right Thing, he's unique and special in his mind. So I think that's what would upset him, not that they were "connected" to him or whatever, just that they weren't him, and could never be.

You gotta remember he's an absolute far-right nutjob with boundless misogyny, and he's literally, in the comics, shown to intentionally read and endorse far-right conspiracy theories.

So would he buy Qanon etc.? Absolutely he would. He bought the equivalent theories of the day. But more by luck than judgement he caught a real conspiracy among all the fake ones. He might eventually become embittered with Qanon though because he's a master investigator, and thus whenever Qanon came out with some ludicrous child-trafficking conspiracy shit, he'd probably actually investigate it, and after punching out or killing a whole bunch of people would likely find it was baseless. I don't think that would stop him believing though - he'd just keep looking for the next one which could be true. But he'd certainly accidentally and violently debunk a lot of the Qanon shit.

Given he was fine with Reagan he'd probably have liked Trump too.

Wait, you guys are saying that Ozymandias' plan WASN'T justified?

Ozy didn't expect it to be an eternity of people holding hands and singing kumbaya against the squiddies, just that it bought humanity a bit more time and took the doomsday clock back a few minutes.

I strongly disagree. You might want to re-read the ending of Watchmen - there's an exchange about this.

Specifically Veidt says: "Did I do the right thing?" to which Dr Manhattan replies "Nothing ever ends." - the clear suggestion is that Veidt actually did have unreasonable beliefs about how effective this would be, and how long term of a solution it would be. I may misremember but I don't think there's anything in text to suggest prior to that that he thinks/realizes he's not buying much time at all. On the contrary I get the impression he thinks he's buying decades or more.

Maybe? He seems to be extremely good at finding things out, and getting to things others cannot. Certainly the point is, anywhere Qanon said there'd be child trafficking, he could trivially break into, search, and find no evidence of child trafficking. Because he's single-minded this would probably happen an awful lot of times before he started to think "Maybe this is just not true...", indeed I could see him finding Q and trying to beat the truth out of him, presumably suspecting he was some kind of left-wing disinformation-provider.

Gosh, we really are some proper nerds. Love it.

Wow, Lex just said you were a 15 year old, Geefe.

Do you know what ruins Ozy's bullet-catching trick?

That fucking HI-----YAAHHHHHHH!

Yup, Nite Owl II is Batman.