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Post by clemfandango on Mar 14, 2022 9:24:30 GMT
I found Poltergeist 2 far more fucked up as a kid. That old guy was scary. Yeah, its proper weird the second one. I watched that when I was older though so it wasn't that bad. I think I was around 9 when I watched poltergeist, its up there on the list with Watership down of films kids of the 80s should not watch... |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 14, 2022 9:25:29 GMT
I saw them in reverse order. P3 from the video shop, then I caught P2 on telly and finally got to see P1 a few years later.
I think I would have been like 10, 11 and 14.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 14, 2022 9:28:50 GMT
It does seem to be a horror film that *everybody* has seen as a child.
I've always found the US rating system weird. They're all basically variations on a theme of what PG is in the UK. You can still take your kid to see a R film if you wanted.
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Post by geefe on Mar 14, 2022 9:42:00 GMT
Probably downgraded to a 12 soon. If you think Drag Me to Hell was a 12.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 14, 2022 9:59:50 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 14, 2022 10:03:13 GMT
15s are pretty hardcore. I dont know why but I am always surprised that they can vary between a milquetoast rom com that says the word 'fuck' twice and Society (the Brian Yuzna movie. I watched it recently and it raised an eyebrow).
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Post by geefe on Mar 14, 2022 10:08:11 GMT
100% convinced it was a 12 on release. Same with Mama. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 14, 2022 10:13:08 GMT
Things are reclassified. I dont know how much they do it now, but the BBFC rate less strictly for a cinema release and tighten it up for a home release.
Starship Troopers went from 15, to an 18 on video and reclassified back down to a 15 for DVD release (I think), so the BBFC rating will probably have settled on a 15.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 14, 2022 10:41:00 GMT
15s are pretty hardcore. I dont know why but I am always surprised that they can vary between a milquetoast rom com that says the word 'fuck' twice and Society (the Brian Yuzna movie. I watched it recently and it raised an eyebrow). Very little gets rated 18 nowadays. It is pretty much reserved for sexual violence and hard drug use. I expect the 12a rating also means that you probably get quite a bit that would have been 12 rated bumped up to 15 on account of 8 year olds could be watching. Feel sorry for cinema staff at the moment; I went to see The Batman yesterday and I'm pretty certain there were many not-15 year olds in the audience, many with parents. I expect it is impossible for them to police it and likely accompanied by a whole bunch of abuse if they tried. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 14, 2022 10:47:27 GMT
15 and even 12 ratings can be pretty brutal. Sometimes the implied violence they can get away with ends up being worse than seeing it explicitly.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 14, 2022 10:47:45 GMT
I mean, even back in the stoneage, the average age of cinema staff is like 17, so they dont care. I was watching 15s at 12 and 18s at 15 and none of the staff could have been less bothered.
Literally the only person I have ever seen be stopped at the cinema is when my dad took us to see Batman (12) and my brother was like 7 or 8 at the time and failed the 'date of birth' test quite badly.
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 14, 2022 11:07:00 GMT
15s are pretty hardcore. I dont know why but I am always surprised that they can vary between a milquetoast rom com that says the word 'fuck' twice and Society (the Brian Yuzna movie. I watched it recently and it raised an eyebrow). I watched Society a few months ago too, not seen it since I was a teenager. How that is a 15 is beyond me... It held up surprisingly well and the effects are top notch body horror. Its quite heavy on the class divide satire too so I'm surprised nobody has remade it. |
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Post by kal on Mar 14, 2022 11:12:44 GMT
It does seem to be a horror film that *everybody* has seen as a child. I've always found the US rating system weird. They're all basically variations on a theme of what PG is in the UK. You can still take your kid to see a R film if you wanted. I quite that system. When I’m at home I make informed decisions about what content is suitable for my kids based on their specific nature. I’m sure all parents do. Don’t really see why the cinema is any different. |
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Post by Dougs on Mar 14, 2022 11:13:04 GMT
I mean, even back in the stoneage, the average age of cinema staff is like 17, so they dont care. I was watching 15s at 12 and 18s at 15 and none of the staff could have been less bothered. Literally the only person I have ever seen be stopped at the cinema is when my dad took us to see Batman (12) and my brother was like 7 or 8 at the time and failed the 'date of birth' test quite badly. My brother took me to see Crocodile Dundee when I was about 11/12. The stupid fuck asked for "one and a half" and was surprised when we were denied. We saw that weird Pink Panther montage thrown together after Peter Sellers karked it instead. |
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Post by kal on Mar 14, 2022 11:14:23 GMT
Crocodile Dundee is incidentally the film that made them create the 12 rating here.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 14, 2022 11:17:25 GMT
Is it not Batman?
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Post by geefe on Mar 14, 2022 11:25:56 GMT
Batman was always 15. Fairly sure it was post Temple of Doom that it was brought in.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 14, 2022 11:35:13 GMT
Yeah I thought it was batman that was the first to have a 12 rating too.
I get the feeling that a lot of stuff that gets an R in the US based on a half arsed skim reading would probably end up a 15 in the UK. Unsurprisingly maybe, but the US has a bigger hang-up about sex and nudity.
Reading the BBFC website they seem to not like the word "pornography" and call it "sex works" instead. Stop trying to make sex works a thing, BBFC.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 14, 2022 11:40:08 GMT
I think Kal means that Crocodile Dundee was the film that made them think about a 12 cert. As it was a 15 with very little reason.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 14, 2022 11:41:33 GMT
Ah, yeah. I bet Knifey Spoony is probably what took it over the edge of a PG
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Post by britesparc on Mar 14, 2022 11:54:52 GMT
Getting back to the topic of superhero movies, I've always found the ratings of recent DC films quite amusing. Suicide Squad (the first one) was a PG-13 but a 15 over here. The supposed "unrated" (or whatever) cut of Batman v Superman - with an f-bomb and everything - was still only a 12 on DVD in this country. But Matt Reeves has said the one rule he was given by Warners when making The Batman was it had to be a PG-13... and over here it's a 15.
Dunno why I find this sort of thing amusing but I do. Probably because I was obsessed with film cerficiates when I was too young to get in for stuff. I remember my older cousins seeing Last Action Hero, and poor little me had to wait till it was on video.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 14, 2022 12:08:28 GMT
Warners when making The Batman was it had to be a PG-13... and over here it's a 15. Hollywood don't really massively care about individual foreign markets (other than China). Hence we'd often get versions of films that have been cut to meeting some rating criteria in the US so it's PG-13, but they cba re-cutting it for us even if it wouldn't affect the rating here. Domestic box office takings are a Big Thing. Anything other than a PG-13 is going to turn off (small c) conservative audiences as they're not going to allow/take their kids to see it because it's got nipples in it or something. |
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 14, 2022 12:09:54 GMT
All gone a bit DC in here....
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Post by geefe on Mar 14, 2022 12:12:15 GMT
The PG-13 thing is massive in America because it's either that or R. We've got a bit more nuance to our ratings - and rightly so.
Over here, you can be a 12 or 15 and still have a fairly chunky audience. But there an R is basically 18, so you've got this jump from 12 to 18, which is nonsense.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 14, 2022 12:15:55 GMT
Not really. If anything it's more nuanced than the UK version where it's very much up to the (adult) viewer's discretion: there's G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17. Our 18 is more akin to their NC-17 than R.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 14, 2022 12:18:41 GMT
Funnily enough, we were talking to the girl about the disparity between censorship and coming of age the other day. You can get married, start fucking and have kids at 16, but you cant watch other people do it. You can watch beer commercials but cant drink.
And, most obviously, you can sign up to the armed forces at 16 but you cant play CoD and do it virtually until youre 18
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Post by dogbot on Mar 14, 2022 12:23:17 GMT
Funnily enough, we were talking to the girl about the disparity between censorship and coming of age the other day. You can get married, start fucking and have kids at 16, but you cant watch other people do it. You can watch beer commercials but cant drink. And, most obviously, you can sign up to the armed forces at 16 but you cant play CoD and do it virtually until youre 18 You can join up and you can be accepted and trained and so on, but you can't be deployed to the front lines until you're 18. |
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 14, 2022 12:23:37 GMT
iirc there some stuff in the obscenities law* that was updated a few years ago that has made a lot of S&M stuff that is perfectly legal to do in person to be a criminal offence potentially involving jail time if you owned a video recording of it. Regardless of age.
(*can't remember the exact name of the law).
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 14, 2022 12:34:00 GMT
Difference between our 18 and their NC-17 is that it is the kiss of death to receive the rating. We would still have 18 rated films showing at local multiplexes, but you wouldn't see NC-17s. Their censorship board also has double standards when it comes to depiction of homosexual relationships, with gay sex scenes being more likely to get NC-17 rating than similar heterosexual scenes (the documentary This Film is Not Yet Rated is really interesting about this and generally awfulness of the system).
On the laws about pornography, was that the one that made face sitting videos illegal?
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 14, 2022 12:53:27 GMT
Yes, that's the one.
Seemed kind of odd. I think there's an argument that it's actually driven by health and safety concerns (which I've seen some people make) but that sounds like bullshit to me. We're still broadcasting MMA and boxing and rugby and and I'm damn sure any of those are more dangerous than getting a face full of muff.
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