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Post by ozthegweat on Feb 19, 2022 21:55:44 GMT
I thought S3 was the best of it. Just finished it and I agree S3 is the best season of Daredevil. I’m not really familiar with the comics so don’t know how any of this chimes with any particular arc or the characters in general but this felt spot on. No ninja shit, the heroes back in an underdog position, a great set of villains, drama that would hold up even without the superhero stuff. Its got a slow start due to how Defenders ended (I assume) but once its up and running its hard to see how they could have done it better. Question is
Are the MCU versions of Murdock and Fisk these exact characters because the Netflixverse is part of the MCU or are they multiverse alternatives because the Netflixverse is separate? And how does Fisk gain the power to eat bullets and grenades?
Spoilers for Hawkeye: The actor for Fisk is the same in Hawkeye, so this suggests that the Netflixverse and MCU characters are the same.
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Post by ozthegweat on Feb 19, 2022 22:00:22 GMT
I gave Daredevil to my nephew as a child, not realising it would lead to us all having to watch it with him. He loved it. Probably the worst superhero movie this side of Supergirl. Well, I'm sure he only liked it because he got it from you, which means he loves you. Which is better that any movie could ever be* *Except The Dark Knight which is the greatest movie ever. Oops, no DC wankers, sorry. |
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2022 22:01:35 GMT
Given Fisk is one of Spiderman's biggest enemies and he's been known to team up with Daredevil, plus Punisher was introduced in his series, I feel that's where the crossover will be.
At least, I fucking hope so. Though we kinda technically had a sinister six movie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 22:05:16 GMT
Just finished it and I agree S3 is the best season of Daredevil. I’m not really familiar with the comics so don’t know how any of this chimes with any particular arc or the characters in general but this felt spot on. No ninja shit, the heroes back in an underdog position, a great set of villains, drama that would hold up even without the superhero stuff. Its got a slow start due to how Defenders ended (I assume) but once its up and running its hard to see how they could have done it better. Question is
Are the MCU versions of Murdock and Fisk these exact characters because the Netflixverse is part of the MCU or are they multiverse alternatives because the Netflixverse is separate? And how does Fisk gain the power to eat bullets and grenades?
Spoilers for Hawkeye: The actor for Fisk is the same in Hawkeye, so this suggests that the Netflixverse and MCU characters are the same.
Spoilers for Spider-Man No Way Home; Charlie Cox has a cameo as Matt Murdock for a scene in that film too. Though if they wanted, they could hand wave it away as an alternate universe thing or something. But why would they? |
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Post by simple on Feb 19, 2022 22:16:59 GMT
That’s what I was getting at, does the same casting mean its the same universe or is it separate?
Admittedly I do know that there are references to the events of Avengers 1 in season 3 of Daredevil which suggests the same but it might not necessarily be the case.
Although at this point they can pretty much do what they want and it’ll work.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 19, 2022 22:18:46 GMT
It's the same universe as they referenced the first Avengers movie in the S1 of Daredevil. There's also that case of Matt Murdock being in the latest Spiderman film.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 19, 2022 22:34:21 GMT
It's always nominally been the same universe, but because Disney didn't own it they kept it fairly seperate. I do think that now the two are merging we might lose some of the stuff that made the Netflix shows good. It's hard to imagine Disney letting the characters be quite so gritty, they'll all be Disney'd up a bit and have those rough edges smoothed away (as seen with Fisk in Hawkeye). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 22:41:30 GMT
I think the bigger issue with the previous shows is that Feige and his team weren't involved. It was all Marvel, but the film and television (animation too) divisions were all separate. When Disney+ was announced, that was the big deal regarding Marvel TV. Jeph Loeb was out and Feige was to oversee that as well. So while not only the Netflix shows but also Agents of Shield might reference "the New York incident" aka Avengers 1 (also Winter Soldier in AoS's case), the films just did their own things without trying to tie it into whatever TV was doing. Which is somewhat of a shame, since Shield even went so far as to get Sam Jackson and Jamie Alexander to reprise their Fury and Sif roles for an episode or two.
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Post by simple on Feb 19, 2022 23:45:55 GMT
Falcon & Winter Soldier wasn’t a million miles from being a global upscaling on the style of the Netflix shows really. Plus Bullseye and US Agent appear to basically share a personality by the end |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 20, 2022 9:07:56 GMT
By the end of Agents of Shield it was pretty impossible for it to be the same universe as the main MCU - despite a vague reference to Thanos - but I'm happy to think of it as a very close cousin, if that makes sense. I'd be very up for a version of the team (with the same cast) popping up in the MCU.
I'm not sure if the Netflix stuff had the same issue, but from what I've seen so far - up to Defenders - it feels like it all takes place in a relatively short timeframe after the first Avengers. So if Fisk appears a bit different now, I guess nearly ten years might have passed since we last saw him?
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Post by simple on Feb 20, 2022 9:16:03 GMT
Its more than he basically has superpowers in his latest appearance. But I suppose even ‘normal’ characters in the MCU often had a comic book strength that even the Netflix characters didn’t, despite being punishment sponges.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 20, 2022 9:19:04 GMT
Without spoilers for DD Season 3, did anything happen in that season to give him indestructibility? In Season 1 he was tough due to being a big guy, but he wasn't invulnerable or anything. Does he get physically tougher in season 3?
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Post by geefe on Feb 20, 2022 9:29:56 GMT
I don't recall, however, it's entirely "plausible" that his connection with the ninjas or things in prison lead to it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 20, 2022 9:37:05 GMT
On a different note, since Mallrats has a Stan Lee cameo, does that mean the MCU and the View Askewniverse are actually linked?
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Post by Derblington on Feb 20, 2022 9:41:25 GMT
Stan is reading the Mallrats script in the cameo in Captain Marvel.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 20, 2022 10:08:44 GMT
I forgot that. Mallrats also has batman references, so batman exists in the MCU?!
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Post by geefe on Feb 20, 2022 10:19:57 GMT
Wasn't Kevin Smith producing/ directing/ something the Nic Cage Superman?
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Post by britesparc on Feb 20, 2022 10:31:44 GMT
He wrote a script for Warners before Tim Burton got involved. I think by the time Burton was directing and had cast Cage, Smith was out and either his script was being rewritten ora new script commissioned.
Assuming the script I read on the internet years ago is real, it's pretty good considering the hoops he said he had to jump through.
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Post by neems on Feb 20, 2022 10:44:59 GMT
I think the main thing with Kingpin is that he has magical suits that are bullet/knife/bomb/car/meteor proof.
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Post by simple on Feb 20, 2022 12:10:47 GMT
I forgot that. Mallrats also has batman references, so batman exists in the MCU?! Rob Stark gets called Superman by a child in Eternals so DC is fiction within the MCU? |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 20, 2022 12:50:40 GMT
I forgot that. Mallrats also has batman references, so batman exists in the MCU?! Rob Stark gets called Superman by a child in Eternals so DC is fiction within the MCU? Yeah I think in the MCU, comic book superheroes were definitely a thing, but we never got Marvel in the 60s (IIRC there may be Captain America comics in-universe based on the "real" Cap?). I remember the internet having a collective giggle because in Iron Man 3 Happy says something to Tony about him "playing with the Super Friends", which obviously is a reference to the DC cartoon. As a sucker for the fiction of imaginary universes, I'd like to know more about the publishing history of the MCU... |
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Post by simple on Feb 20, 2022 13:01:19 GMT
It would make sense that the real Cap was celebrated in post-war comic books within the MCU before the next wave of public heroes arrived 60+ years later.
I’m always interested in how the world changes for normal people after the huge events in superhero stories too. Life can’t just reset the way the plot does. I suppose thats one of the strengths of the Falcon and Hawkeye series.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 20, 2022 13:13:28 GMT
Not MCU, but Logan has X-men comics.  |
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Post by KD on Feb 20, 2022 13:16:31 GMT
The Kingpin actor gave a comment in the making of Hawkeye that just went up about them lifting the character but he's alot more powerful, that can put what they want on variants now.
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Post by simple on Feb 20, 2022 13:58:35 GMT
The comic version was meant to be 0% body fat and all muscle which was why he could toss Spider-man about so I guess he’s got that added to his already above average toughness
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 14:21:55 GMT
I wanted to touch on Logan really quick since Bill brought it up. When people mentioned the voice and bald head in the Strange 2 trailer was Patrick Stewart as Xavier.. I'd be really disappointed if that were the case, as I think both his character and role, as well as Jackman's Wolvie had a beautiful end in Logan. Why come back and reverse that, why now? I want new MCU produced X-Men movies as much as the next guy, but by this point just recast the characters. Let Logan be final farewell for Stewart and Jackman. |
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Post by Danno on Feb 20, 2022 20:19:51 GMT
Is Captain Marvel better than the 'One Punch Bitch' idea I have in my head based on the Endgame cameo?
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Post by simple on Feb 20, 2022 21:37:32 GMT
Her movie is fun but every appearance she’s looking more and more invincible
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 21, 2022 2:07:13 GMT
It's ok. It's nothing special, but I enjoyed it.
A lot of that was down to judicious use of Elastica though.
She does end up a bit Superman.
It kinda reminds me of Wonder Woman 1, but it's not quite as good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 2:15:29 GMT
It's fun but not great. Feels very 90s, intentionally. But without the old school but fresh feel First Avenger's 50 homage felt. Better than Eternals at least, but anyone who says it's better than Black Widow is BUGGING
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