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Post by Dougs on Jan 1, 2022 23:29:15 GMT
Cap is a great character. I absolutely love the first film. In and of itself, it's not a brilliant film but I love the style and the era.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 23:32:02 GMT
I love that first Cap film too. Didn't think I would, but the old timey Hollywood vibes really help it stand out against the other films.
I still prefer Civil War as a film, but First Avenger is a favorite of mine nonetheless.
And yeah, I always thought the idea of a patriotic flagman was kind of stupid, but the films and Evans' portrayal won me over.
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Post by lexw on Jan 2, 2022 1:15:20 GMT
And yeah, I always thought the idea of a patriotic flagman was kind of stupid, but the films and Evans' portrayal won me over. To be fair to the comics character, that's how has always been, or at least for about 90% of the last 40-50 years. Chris Evans' portrayal (which is perfect) is extremely accurate to the vast bulk of comics involving Cap, and the writing consistently nails the character. I was initially surprised at how well they did with him with the MCU but I shouldn't have been - he's been extremely consistently the guy we see in the MCU, and the couple of times he hasn't been were quickly retcon'd in the comics as someone was impersonating Cap. There are also a number of "Evil Captain America"-types who can be used when the idea of nationalism vs. patriotism or the like needs to be looked at (particularly US Agent, who is now in the MCU). I had the same reaction before I read the comics though - I thought he was about the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. But he's one of the MCU characters closest to the comics version (Bruce Banner/The Hulk is probably the most distant from the comics, imho, in personality/behaviour, but that's because as other Hulk fans here can better explain, Banner in the comics has a long and very crazy history).
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Post by Saul1138 on Jan 2, 2022 19:39:40 GMT
I never get why people say you hate a movie, if you didn’t think it was top bollocks. Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 are adequate films. Probably what I would have expected out of a super hero film at the time. But they have been surpassed by so many other comic book films. Few will reach the greatness that Into the Spider-Verse’, managed. But I can still call other films great.
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Post by askew on Jan 2, 2022 22:49:28 GMT
Enjoyed Spiderman. Proper spoilers follow: Presume everybody forgetting who he is, is a neat way to pack him back up into Sony's embraces? Certainly his new costume looked like a blend of Tobey and Andrew
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 2, 2022 23:02:49 GMT
It's costume from the comics straight up and it's confirmed Disney and Sony are doing a new trilogy the money it made in a pandemic is silly money, no one's giving up on that gravy train
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Post by britesparc on Jan 2, 2022 23:03:09 GMT
I like all the MCU movies. Every single one I've seen. The worst I'd say is some of them are "low-three-stars". I'm so absolutely in the tank for the whole thing that just spending time watching the characters on screen is still perfectly enjoyable.
Having said all that, I do agree that the usual culprits of Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, and Dark World are the three worst (I've not seen Eternals to be fair, despite being really excited for it; blame the pandemic). I think Thor and Iron Man are really just unfocussed, like they didn't know what they wanted the films to be about; I reckon IM2 was torn between "now we're building a shared universe" and "character-focussed sequel about Tony's past" and the two sides didn't marry. Thor's troubles are well-known. Hulk is a different beast; it doesn't really feel like an MCU movie at all. It's like the sort of late-nineties/early-noughties superhero films, things like Daredevil or Ghost Rider (or, funnily enough, Venom).
I've seen every film at least twice, many of them three or more times. Some get better, some fade away a bit. Avengers, for instance, has slipped quite far down, whereas The First Avenger has shot up, gets better each time. In fact, apart from Iron Man 3 and the Infinity two-parter, the three Cap films could almost be my three favourites out of the lot.
I may be a little obsessed.
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Post by KD on Jan 2, 2022 23:06:16 GMT
Externals is different but I enjoyed it, was nice to be in an empty cinema for it.
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Post by zephro on Jan 3, 2022 0:47:47 GMT
I think the Cap America ones are the only ones I've only watched just the once. But I remember Cap 1 just being awful in the cinema, insane cutting, unfocused, deal with everything in montage. Though I just always want Captain America to suddenly get hit by a bus from off camera and end it. He's just so smug.
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Post by HoriZon on Jan 3, 2022 14:53:29 GMT
Captain America: Winter Soldier is one of my fave Marvel films.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 3, 2022 23:09:14 GMT
I found the first Cap film to be a pretty generic origin story movie. I mean, I guess the entire first phase of the MCU was origin stories, but Cap1 felt closest to the familiar superhero stories we'd seen in the past. Not bad, but nothing special. If it'd been the first MCU movie it might have seemed better, but it might also not have set things off in the way that Iron Man did.
It gets big points for introducing Peggy though.
Winter Soldier is ace though, and is also one of my faves. Civil War is a very mixed bag, but good fun. Actually, no single 'character trilogy' is 3 for 3 imho, unless Guardians 3 manages to be great, so it's hard to pick the best one of those.
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Post by simple on Jan 3, 2022 23:40:34 GMT
I always kind of think of Civil War as the real Avengers 2. Ultron is just a prologue to it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 3, 2022 23:54:17 GMT
I always kind of think of Civil War as the real Avengers 2. Ultron is just a prologue to it. Yeah I've definitely thought of it as Avengers 2.5
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 4, 2022 0:02:16 GMT
I'm not even sure how I feel about GOTG2 tbh, I enjoyed it at the cinema but when I rewatched it at home it felt a bit all over the place and a bit of a mess. Whilst it's a better film than IM2 it has some of the same faults.
There's still some good character bits and funny moments, but it just felt a bit forced at times, and it could definitely have excised some threads.
Still looking forward to 3 though.
I'm definitely not as invested in the MCU as I was.
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Post by simple on Jan 4, 2022 0:13:44 GMT
I prefer GOTG2 the first one felt a bit tryhard, like it would be the sort of person who’d describe themselves as ‘random’ in their MySpace bio
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2022 0:15:46 GMT
I like different aspects of both. I thought 2 had the stronger story and soundtrack, but the humor was much more natural in the first film. 2 tried too hard to be a comedy, and most of the jokes didn't land for me.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 4, 2022 0:18:03 GMT
I prefer GOTG2 the first one felt a bit tryhard, like it would be the sort of person who’d describe themselves as ‘random’ in their MySpace bio Interestingly, how you describe GOTG1 is pretty much how I feel about GOTG2.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 4, 2022 0:21:12 GMT
I prefer GOTG2 the first one felt a bit tryhard, like it would be the sort of person who’d describe themselves as ‘random’ in their MySpace bio Interestingly, how you describe GOTG1 is pretty much how I feel about GOTG2. my feelings too. I felt they nailed it in the first one and the sequel felt somewhat indulgent and lacked some of the magic.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 4, 2022 6:49:21 GMT
I didn’t take to the second one as much when I saw it the first time in the movies, although the ending with the fireworks was surprisingly moving. But on repeat viewings I think GotG2 is actually brilliant. I do a lot of screenwriting and I think the script for Guardians 2 is a actually fantastic. I think I bounced off it on first viewing on account of it being so different to the first movie, which is also why it’s had a long tail with me. It’s probably up there with my most re-watched MCU movies.
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Post by Onny on Jan 4, 2022 8:50:34 GMT
I didn’t take to the second one as much when I saw it the first time in the movies, although the ending with the fireworks was surprisingly moving. But on repeat viewings I think GotG2 is actually brilliant. I do a lot of screenwriting and I think the script for Guardians 2 is a actually fantastic. I think I bounced off it on first viewing on account of it being so different to the first movie, which is also why it’s had a long tail with me. It’s probably up there with my most re-watched MCU movies. 100% agree with this. Many of the bits with Yondu especially are excellent IMO. Edit: and I don’t just mean the “I’m Mary Poppins y’all!”, but his whole thing around making Rocket realise his feelings and his personal journey in general. That scene when he’s walking through the ship whistling his arrow through the ravagers though.. so good.
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Post by hedben on Jan 4, 2022 11:55:53 GMT
Enjoyed Spiderman. Proper spoilers follow: Presume everybody forgetting who he is, is a neat way to pack him back up into Sony's embraces? Certainly his new costume looked like a blend of Tobey and Andrew I think the new Spiderman is incredible, might even be my favourite MCU movie. And (major spoilers): It kills me that I want to tell people I know to watch or re-watch the other non-MCU Spiderman movies before seeing this one, but I can't - because that, in itself, would be a spoiler
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Post by bindipper3d on Jan 4, 2022 12:38:10 GMT
I didn’t take to the second one as much when I saw it the first time in the movies, although the ending with the fireworks was surprisingly moving. But on repeat viewings I think GotG2 is actually brilliant. I do a lot of screenwriting and I think the script for Guardians 2 is a actually fantastic. I think I bounced off it on first viewing on account of it being so different to the first movie, which is also why it’s had a long tail with me. It’s probably up there with my most re-watched MCU movies. My problem with GotG2 is Kurt Russell. He was an inspired piece of casting, but every scene he's in is dull and crushes the momentum of the film.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 4, 2022 12:47:02 GMT
I didn’t take to the second one as much when I saw it the first time in the movies, although the ending with the fireworks was surprisingly moving. But on repeat viewings I think GotG2 is actually brilliant. I do a lot of screenwriting and I think the script for Guardians 2 is a actually fantastic. I think I bounced off it on first viewing on account of it being so different to the first movie, which is also why it’s had a long tail with me. It’s probably up there with my most re-watched MCU movies. 100% agree with this. Many of the bits with Yondu especially are excellent IMO. Edit: and I don’t just mean the “I’m Mary Poppins y’all!”, but his whole thing around making Rocket realise his feelings and his personal journey in general. That scene when he’s walking through the ship whistling his arrow through the ravagers though.. so good. I think individual scenes like that are great, but it just didn't come together as a cohesive whole for me. The momentum didn't really build as the film's focus had to jump around a fair bit between the disparate characters. At least that's how I remember it after my couple of views (no real desire to watch it again)
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Post by britesparc on Jan 4, 2022 13:24:02 GMT
That's kind of how I feel about Guardians 2. In terms of plot and character development - and even humour - it's the better film, but the first one has a very straightforward arc that just makes it hang together a bit better. Vol 2 has a really weird disjointed sense of momentum, where once they get to Ego they all just sit around waiting for more plot to happen.
BUT all the Yondu/Rocket stuff is golden.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 4, 2022 13:38:43 GMT
I think *every* tv channel showing *every* spiderman movie this christmas has caused me to overdose on spiderman, because I really can't summon any enthusiasm to go and watch the new one, even though everyone says its great. I was so hyped for No Time To Die, and for Dune, and I'm mildly hyped for Matrix, but another spiderman... eh.. it'll be this exhausting wall of hyperkinetic action and quips.
Luckily, at least its not out here until Friday. Which is weird because usually Sony movies are the only ones that get concurrent release dates.
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Post by lexw on Jan 5, 2022 15:38:19 GMT
I like different aspects of both. I thought 2 had the stronger story and soundtrack, but the humor was much more natural in the first film. 2 tried too hard to be a comedy, and most of the jokes didn't land for me. Yeah I'm with you on this. Both of the films were rather imperfect, but still great. Overall I narrowly prefer 2 I think, because it feels like it has a bit more heart and the character work is better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 15:50:19 GMT
it'll be this exhausting wall of hyperkinetic action and quips. It's actually not, surprisingly. The final act is, of course, but getting there is a rather slow burn process.
Whether that's a good thing or not mind you, I'm not sure.
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Post by ozthegweat on Jan 8, 2022 20:34:12 GMT
So I haven't seen the new Spider-Man movie yet. With JJJ, Green Goblin and Doc Ock making an appearance, I guess it would be prudent to re-watch Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and 2. Could I skip 3 as well as Amazing Spider-Man 1 and 2 (the last one I haven't seen at all)? No spoilers please.
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Post by 😎 on Jan 8, 2022 20:46:41 GMT
It draws from all of them but I don’t think you’ll miss a huge amount without Spidey 3 or ASM1, though there’s a fair amount from ASM2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 20:49:51 GMT
I don't think that a rewatch is necessary, as long as you have seen all the previous ones. The references to those early movies are all based on the bigger moments, not niche moments that you might've forgotten, as as long as you remember the general story of the earlier err, preboots, you're good to go.
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