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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 12:59:46 GMT
It’s notable as the first boring MCU movie. Fuck yes, and this is coming from me who very much loves his comics and Marvel. |
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Post by Saul1138 on Dec 31, 2021 15:05:49 GMT
I enjoyed Eternals, not a top tier MCU film, but even their duds still have an entertaining factor. Not Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 & 3, Thor 2, but other than those, I think they are all rewatchable.
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 15:33:52 GMT
I think they are all rewatchable. Oddly, despite enjoying a lot of them the first time around, I haven't really found that to be the case. I think most of them actually pretty tedious pretty quick on a rewatch for me, at least. Most that I've attempted I've got bored and stopped watching partway through. I'd also say Civil War was perhaps even worse than Thor 2 or either Iron Man sequel. Cap is great but everything else about the movie kind of stinks (as did the comics of that, note). |
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 15:36:35 GMT
If it weren’t for the pandemic it would probably be nudging Endgame / Avatar for most money made ever. It sounds pretty fantastic (I've been fully spoilered on it) and like the first of the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies that fully embraces what makes Spider-Man an actual hero, and indeed, kicks it up a notch in a way I can't think of any other superhero movie doing, but I suspect it's actually benefited from the pandemic, box-office-wise, because of the peculiar timing of it (as people were beginning to relax, and just before omicron really scared people back into their houses). So I'm not sure it would be, but I guess we'll never know. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 15:40:16 GMT
I think they are all rewatchable. Oddly, despite enjoying a lot of them the first time around, I haven't really found that to be the case. I think most of them actually pretty tedious pretty quick on a rewatch for me, at least. Most that I've attempted I've got bored and stopped watching partway through. I'd also say Civil War was perhaps even worse than Thor 2 or either Iron Man sequel. Cap is great but everything else about the movie kind of stinks (as did the comics of that, note). Saying that Civil War is worse than Thor 2 or Iron Man 2 makes me think that you're not just wrong but positively insane. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 15:41:05 GMT
yeah holy shit
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 15:46:46 GMT
Saying that Civil War is worse than Thor 2 or Iron Man 2 makes me think that you're not just wrong but positively insane. Really? Should I rewatch it? Last I saw it was years ago at someone's house - I didn't see it at the cinema. I just remember it being incredibly tedious. I guess next time I feel like watching some Marvel I'll see if I was just in a terrible mood or something. I did have a friend who swore for years that The Usual Suspects was a godawful movie, turned out he'd just watched it whilst feeling like shit from a breakup and when he rewatched it he loved it. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 15:51:30 GMT
Most definitely. Thor 2 and especially Iron Man 2 are goddamned awful with absolutely no stakes, for all intents and purposes Civil War just confirms that Captain America has probably the best series in the whole franchise. Plus it fucking introduces Spiderman. Thinking it's awful is one thing but to rank it lower than Thor 2...
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Post by KD on Dec 31, 2021 15:56:52 GMT
I tend to just rewatch the phase 3 stuff onwards.
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Post by dfunked on Dec 31, 2021 15:59:57 GMT
Three stops to Greenwich... I'll never forgive them for Thor 2!
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Post by dogbot on Dec 31, 2021 16:29:12 GMT
I think Thor 2 is probably the nadir. Iron Man 2 is also pretty bad but I'd still watch it over the third one. Civil War is probably in my top 3, with Winter Soldier and the first Avengers.
I haven't seen Eternals but judging by what I've read, I may not bother.
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 16:50:27 GMT
Most definitely. Thor 2 and especially Iron Man 2 are goddamned awful with absolutely no stakes, for all intents and purposes Civil War just confirms that Captain America has probably the best series in the whole franchise. Plus it fucking introduces Spiderman. Thinking it's awful is one thing but to rank it lower than Thor 2... Ok fair. I do love Cap so worst case there's that. I weirdly didn't hate Thor 2. I just found it very "meh"/forgettable. It didn't make me mad or anything. Iron Man 2 was weird, I thought it was okay at the cinema, but when I saw it again on DVD I was surprised at how dull it was. Iron Man 3 I was really rooting to be good because Shane Black has done some really fun scripts but yeah that was pretty hard to watch. I feel like letting him direct rather than just write was probably a serious mistake. |
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Post by 😎 on Dec 31, 2021 16:53:17 GMT
Civil War is good for the spectacle and fight scenes (and specially the hyped intro for Spidey) but I’d agree as an actual movie it’s kind of shit, and also kind of pointless given any ramifications of it are gone by Infinity War.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 16:53:37 GMT
I never hated Thor 2 either tbh. It was slower, but Hemsworth and Hiddleston are always good together. Iron Man 2 I always found bad but fun. Like it's just a complete retread of the first, but fuck is Sam Rockwell a delight to watch. And Iron Man 3 I always enjoyed, but it is harder to rewatch. I appreciated that it dealt with Tony's PTSD and the consequences of his ego rather than it just being another fly suit CGI laser fest. But it is slower than most.
Still, Civil War is one the best Marvel films ever so to put it below these is crazy
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Post by simple on Dec 31, 2021 17:34:21 GMT
Just putting it out there, Incredible Hulk is much under appreciated and its a shame its been largely memory holed by Marvel-Disney
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Post by Saul1138 on Dec 31, 2021 21:40:24 GMT
For clarities sake, those films I listed, are the ones I find least rewatchable, but they do have aspects of them that I can return to. But they are, in my humble, the bottom drawer Marvel films. But they are trying to do things that are different to their predecessors. For that they should be applauded.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 21:44:21 GMT
Just putting it out there, Incredible Hulk is much under appreciated and its a shame its been largely memory holed by Marvel-Disney But isn't that because Universal still have rights to it and they have to pay them money so they've intentionally not made any solo movies. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 31, 2021 21:53:38 GMT
I still quite like Iron Man 3, and nobody can change my mind about that. At the least it's better than 2.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 31, 2021 21:58:01 GMT
Even the worst MCU movies I find rewatchable. I don’t think I’ve seen Hulk a second time from start to finish, but all the others I have seen at least twice. I’ll probably give Eternals a second chance as well, once it’s on TV+. A number of the movies I didn’t take to the first time became much better on a second viewing. But Eternals is in all seriousness the first MCU movie where I’ve been bored out of my mind in the cinema. I quite enjoyed Iron Man 2 at the cinema and continue to on repeat viewings, not sure why people hate it.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 31, 2021 22:10:56 GMT
I like some individual bits of Iron Man 2, but for me it's more that there's just a few too many ingredients so it feels a bit disjointed.
If it had been a bit more focused on any one of it's strands it would be more cohesive for me.
In a firm believer in the idea that a simple story well told is better than a film with load of threads juggled merely satisfactory.
Of course, some films do simple stories terribly and a rare few can do complex, multi-stranded films well.
But for me Iron Man 2 was satisfactory.
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Post by anephric on Dec 31, 2021 22:33:02 GMT
I quite like Iron Man 3. I like all the Shane Blackisms, I never gave a fuck about the Mandarin so I like the play on that and Sir Ben is great. I like James Badge Dale, I like the Shitty Narcissist Tony Treading On Little People coming back to haunt him theme.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 31, 2021 22:40:33 GMT
I think Trevor Slattery was a great creation of the MCU, and I love that he cropped up in Shang-Chi.
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Post by Nemesis on Dec 31, 2021 22:43:22 GMT
Iron Man 2. Who doesn’t love getting licked around the ring by Black Widow ? Yet…he’s still not Happy.
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Post by aubergine on Jan 1, 2022 3:29:40 GMT
Iron Man 3’s Mandarin gets paid off so well in Shang Chi and I didn’t even hate it in Iron Man 3.
One thing I’ve noticed is I struggle with the cinema experience these days, the picture looks blurry and low frame rate, and I’m in a place I hate having been charged an obscene amount. There’s every chance I could watch Eternals again at home and be able to see it more clearly and not be coming at it from an “I have the shits” baseline.
But then you have movies like Spiderverse and No Way Home that I joyed from start to end in packed cinemas, so it’s likely that Eternals is just a bad movie.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 1, 2022 3:45:57 GMT
I never got the hate for Thor 2. It wasn't one of the best, but it wasn't bad. It was kinda their take on a war movie. My main beef with it was that it underused the villain actor, but that's been true of pretty much every marvel villain actor. I loved Thor 3, but I was a bit miffed that they seemingly jettisoned a lot of the thor sidekick characters that they'd been building up like Sif. And it did also underuse the villain actor.
I loved The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. It seems like one of those things that people would love if they'd let go of their comic-based expectations.
And since Shang Chi now apparently deals has the Mandarin, there's no reason for those people to hate it, even if they were set on doing so at the time.
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Post by technoish on Jan 1, 2022 9:57:53 GMT
Next in the MCU, The Mandarin, an overworked but principled civil servant, sticks it to the government as the ultimate whistleblower. Reinforcing the message from Hawkeye that real heroes don't need superpowers.
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Post by geefe on Jan 1, 2022 22:38:48 GMT
Finally seen No Way Home. Nice teaser at the end. Glad they're not just giving that bloke that character but I sincerely hope Michael Mando gets a run with it because he's been sorely underused
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Post by zephro on Jan 1, 2022 22:45:15 GMT
All the Captain America films are worse than Thor 2, but I think I just really fucking hate Captain America.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 1, 2022 22:56:46 GMT
All the Captain America films are worse than Thor 2, but I think I just really fucking hate Captain America. 🤨 |
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Post by ozthegweat on Jan 1, 2022 23:25:22 GMT
I didn't really know anything about Captain America apart from what he looked like (haven't read any Cap comics as a child, I was a die-hard Spidey fan), and always thought he's a stupid character.
But during the Infinity saga he really grew on me and it's probably fair to say that he had the best arc of all the characters.
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