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Post by simple on May 14, 2024 10:01:30 GMT
Disney+ also has the recent animated shows for Hit-Monkey and MODOK.
Both are better than you’d expect but also totally non-canon and non-essential.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 14, 2024 10:01:54 GMT
Wandavision could have been great, if the first 4 episodes hadn't been so mind-numbingly boring.  Falcon+WS could have been great if Covid hadn't screwed it up and it hadn't had such an awful ending. Hawkeye could have been great if it was an Xmas movie. Ms Marvel & She Hulk were the closest they got to success, though both were rather flawed in places and relied a lot on charm. Gave up after that. Yeah, TV Movies like Lion King 2 would have worked better, but I guess they wanted to get into the Golden Age of TV. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 14, 2024 10:07:17 GMT
Personally I would class them all as ok I think even that is generous. Most of them, at best, had enough juice to support a TV Movie. Stretching some of them over a whole series was painful. I think Loki and Wandavision were the only ones I saw that really justified their existence |
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Post by britesparc on May 14, 2024 10:09:04 GMT
I forgot about Loki, I think the first season was really variable but the second one was great.
See, for me, those first two episodes of WandaVision are some of the best things the MCU ever put out. The series got worse as it went on, but the weirdness and spookiness of the opening was incredible.
I do agree that the "TV special" one-offs work best. I just think that, for most of these shows, there's not enough story to sustain six or eight hours. I think if they had been able to whittle Hawkeye down to movie-length, but managed to keep the same energy and tone, it would be one of my favourite MCU films.
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Post by Reviewer on May 14, 2024 10:16:55 GMT
The last 15 minutes of the last episode of Loki was great, the rest of it was ok but a lot of boring filler.
Moon Knight was different and interesting, I probably enjoyed it the most. Hawkeye was decent but should’ve been a film.
The rest completely forgettable and not very good most of the time.
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Post by simple on May 14, 2024 10:20:40 GMT
Its also worth remembering that almost all of these series cost almost $200m each which is completely insane of them. No wonder Iger has been putting his foot down recently.
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Post by britesparc on May 14, 2024 10:36:55 GMT
I think I read that because of reshoots, delays, COVID precautions, etc, Secret Invasion was something like $275m, and even if it was good (and it isn't) it's far and away the cheapest-looking show they've made.
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Post by Vandelay on May 14, 2024 11:08:13 GMT
WandaVision, Ms Marvel, She-Hulk, Hawkeye, and Moon Knight are all excellent, although all of them apart from WV have some slow, sluggish bits or a dodgy episode. Everything else is very good apart from the two I mentioned. I've said before, though, I don't think anything in the MCU is anything worse than "ok" apart from Secret Invasion. WandaVision would easily be in my top ten of anything the MCU has done, though. I think it's a masterpiece. Not sure I would go quite as far as saying some of those are absolutely brilliant or any are a masterpiece, but I would definitely rate all those shows at the top of your post as very good (well, Moon Knight I would say was a bit variable) and agree that in general the shows have been on the right side of good. I've not watched Secret Invasion, so I have been saved he worst of it, but I don't think any of the shows I have watched I've come away regretting the time I spent with them. I do seem to be a bit more of a Marvel apologist than most on here. Personally, I think they should have taken a rest on the films post End Game and put more time into perfecting the TV output. After a couple of years of that they could have come out with a big event film. The dilution has come from the never-ending release of films that don't feel like they are really leading to anything. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 14, 2024 11:13:10 GMT
I don't think any of the TV shows were really needed. Maybe as a one shot or as Nick says a TV movie but it set a terrible precedent when they started using the TV shows as a connector and background information to the movies.
I maintain that people aren't bored of the movies in general, they're bored of mediocre writing, and in turn writing that leads and has lead to no direction with no actual stakes.
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Post by Dougs on May 14, 2024 11:40:36 GMT
I am very much bored of the universe. I haven't made it past one or two episodes. I just can't bring myself to give a fuck after End Game. Haven't even finished GotG3 (which was kid related). Stoked for Deadpool/Wolverine though.
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Post by simple on May 14, 2024 11:40:37 GMT
Given the successful investment in the emotional stakes and impactful action of the most recent Marvel tv product I’d agree that one of the big issues post-Endgame has been the quality as much as franchise fatigue at the volume.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 14, 2024 11:48:41 GMT
I would maintain that quality and fatigue go hand in hand. If the quality was still high it would alleviate some of the fatigue but when your biggest fans aren't exactly enamoured by the content farm stuff you're producing then that should be a warning sign and it's been proved by the dwindling returns and the weakening of the brand by putting the movies quite soon after release on Disney Plus because why would you go to the cinema to watch a mediocre movie and pay god knows how much when it'll be streaming about 3 months later.
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Post by Whizzo on May 14, 2024 12:31:45 GMT
MCU adjacent but this could be a lot of fun.
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Post by simple on May 14, 2024 13:53:51 GMT
I would maintain that quality and fatigue go hand in hand. If the quality was still high it would alleviate some of the fatigue but when your biggest fans aren't exactly enamoured by the content farm stuff you're producing then that should be a warning sign and it's been proved by the dwindling returns and the weakening of the brand by putting the movies quite soon after release on Disney Plus because why would you go to the cinema to watch a mediocre movie and pay god knows how much when it'll be streaming about 3 months later. The last one I saw in the cinema was Ragnorok so there have been 16 films since I last paid real money to see one. And I’ve seen them all. I’m only short Madame Web on having seen all Sony’s shite too. |
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Post by gamingdave on May 14, 2024 13:57:10 GMT
I'm so far behind the shows. I can't say I care that much. I am getting Disney soon for X-Men, but may or may not bother with the other shows I can catch up with. I've had the same thing with the MCU shows that I had with the Netfix Marvel ones, and the Star Wars ones. (And also the Arrowverse ones, come to think of it. Though that might have been more getting bored of the formula as those were more independent) Initially, I managed to keep up with all of them, but as soon as I fell behind in one, I basically gave up on them all. I guess once I got behind it felt like I couldn't just skip shows to watch the newest ones, so the backlog got longer and more intimidating, leading me to actually watch less. It feels like they need to be really sparing with the shows. Because if the pace is too high you just lose us entirely. At least for viewers like me. I think this is pretty common, at least I am the same - too much to keep track of and you just don't bother. With Marvel though, I think you can dip in and out more, especially with the TV being less required viewing - and there are plenty of recap type videos on YouTube you can use to fill in the gaps too if bothered. |
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Post by dfunked on May 14, 2024 16:44:28 GMT
With Arrowverse shows I gave up when they started crossovers between Flash and Arrow where you had to be up to date with both of them as they aired.
Well, that and I realised they were a load of repetitive shit...
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Post by britesparc on May 15, 2024 8:43:24 GMT
The Agatha Harkness show, now called Agatha All Along, starts in September.
Interestingly, the little tease I saw on Instagram referenced all its name changes (at various points it was called stuff like "Darkhold Diaries" and "Coven of Chaos"), which makes me feel this might be some kind of weird advertising campaign or even part of the plot?
It's a bit like how Thunderbolts* has an asterisk in its title and they won't say why.
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Post by Reviewer on May 15, 2024 8:52:38 GMT
I find the asterisk thing mildly irritating and definitely won’t be worth any level of anticipation at all.
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Post by simple on May 15, 2024 9:15:38 GMT
The Agatha Harkness show, now called Agatha All Along, starts in September. Interestingly, the little tease I saw on Instagram referenced all its name changes (at various points it was called stuff like "Darkhold Diaries" and "Coven of Chaos"), which makes me feel this might be some kind of weird advertising campaign or even part of the plot? It's a bit like how Thunderbolts* has an asterisk in its title and they won't say why. All of those titles make it sound like some awful Charmed/Supernatural shit that inexplicably has a hundred dvd boxsets and a huge convention attending fandom |
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Post by Whizzo on May 15, 2024 9:24:54 GMT
The last name they "changed" it to was so ludicrous it became even more obvious it was all a marketing stunt "Agatha, the lying witch with a great wardrobe" was overdoing it. Yeah you did a pun based on the Narnia book title, well done. /golf clap
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Post by Garfy on May 15, 2024 13:59:02 GMT
X-Men 97 sticks the landing. 10s from all members of the judges
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Post by Onny on May 15, 2024 17:22:58 GMT
Yes it was pretty pretty pretty good wasn’t it. Xmen98 soon please! That bit where Rogue punches Bastion was hugely satisfying |
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Post by simple on May 15, 2024 21:14:10 GMT
Oh man, we’re really not in “oh maybe this is the best thing since Endgame” territory here are we? I don’t think any MCU title has delivered emotion and action like X-Men 97 has done.
And the way it pulled so many threads and references together.
And those cliffhangers . . .
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Post by gamingdave on May 16, 2024 9:18:40 GMT
Held of watching X-Men 97 so far as we have had some other things on the go, but now they are all out we will probably dive in.
I never watched the originals, are they required viewing before this new series?
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Post by Derblington on May 16, 2024 9:31:47 GMT
It's a direct continuation so you'll probably get something from it, yeah.
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Post by technoish on May 16, 2024 9:33:07 GMT
X-Men 97 is so fast paced I think it's fine. I can barely remember the old series and certainly didn't watch all or to the end.
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Post by dfunked on May 16, 2024 9:41:05 GMT
Yeah, I only watched bits and pieces of it back in the day and didn't feel like I was missing out on much. They do a good job of bringing you up to speed, then things move on pretty damn quickly.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 16, 2024 9:55:36 GMT
I think I'll be be bingeing the whole series this bank holiday weekend. I got nothing else going on.
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Post by simple on May 16, 2024 10:03:22 GMT
They do a decent job of catching you up I think, and it settles into being its own thing quickly enough that it doesn’t matter much anyway.
Plus all the major characters are iconic enough its like seeing the Joker or whoever, even if its not the incarnation you’re still familiar with his general deal is so well established in pop culture you’ll get it.
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Post by technoish on May 16, 2024 13:01:01 GMT
Did the old series move this fast? It's like they've gone from iron man to end game.
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