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Post by geefe on Feb 15, 2024 10:22:57 GMT
Oh just make it Darth Vader. They own everything. Might as well.
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Post by technoish on Feb 15, 2024 11:06:06 GMT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 15, 2024 11:16:05 GMT
Age of Ultron is probably the first one I can think of off the top of my head where the entire movie was just there to set up the next instalment (Civil War). They’ve done lots of movie x leads to movie y ones but that’s probably the first that felt so much like it was just a stepping stone. I reckon if I sat down with a list of all the movies I’d struggle to get to double figures naming the villains of each film I'm not sure this is right, tbh. It's ten years ago now so maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure nothing in AoU was supposed to set up Civil War. IIRC when in development with AoU, Civil War wasn't even a concept. The writers said that Fiege specifically asked them to change their planned Captain America 3 story into something bigger because he realised they'd be competing against Batman v Superman that summer. So it's possible that really up until filming AoU, Whedon was unaware that Civil War was going to be a thing. There was some post-production Marvel meddling in AoU, but that was more around the Thor plot and setting up the overall Infinity Stones arc. I think the concept of Tony and Steve arguing in AoU was always there, and they even make up before the end of the film. I don't think AoU set up Civil War specifically, but it absolutely spent time setting up future events. I'd need to rewatch it, but I recall thinking at the time that it felt like it was concerned about creating threads for the future as much as it was about it's own story, so it felt a bit disjointed. It was a bit disappointing. As mentioned, it did feel like a stepping stone.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 15, 2024 11:43:32 GMT
I'm not sure this is right, tbh. It's ten years ago now so maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure nothing in AoU was supposed to set up Civil War. IIRC when in development with AoU, Civil War wasn't even a concept. The writers said that Fiege specifically asked them to change their planned Captain America 3 story into something bigger because he realised they'd be competing against Batman v Superman that summer. So it's possible that really up until filming AoU, Whedon was unaware that Civil War was going to be a thing. There was some post-production Marvel meddling in AoU, but that was more around the Thor plot and setting up the overall Infinity Stones arc. I think the concept of Tony and Steve arguing in AoU was always there, and they even make up before the end of the film. I don't think AoU set up Civil War specifically, but it absolutely spent time setting up future events. I'd need to rewatch it, but I recall thinking at the time that it felt like it was concerned about creating threads for the future as much as it was about it's own story, so it felt a bit disjointed. It was a bit disappointing. As mentioned, it did feel like a stepping stone. There was definitely a bit of that with Thor's trip to the magic hot tub, or whatever it was. It felt like they didn't have anything for him to do in the film so they whisked him off to have a vision quest (no pun intended) in order to plant firmly in everyone's head the idea of the Infinity Stones and everything being connected. It wasn't the most elegant solution and IIRC, coming shortly after the troubled production of The Dark World and development of Ant-Man, did generate a few "is Marvel meddling too much/bad for creatives" headlines.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 15, 2024 12:02:08 GMT
Having the hero stoping what the bad guy is doing without killing the bad guy shouldn’t be that hard. The X-men films and others have managed it.
Having the build up of the bad guys would certainly make thinks feel a bit less disposable with the stories, and potential that the heroes only sort of win, or even lose occasionally.
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Post by Syrette on Feb 15, 2024 12:45:25 GMT
I know it's not part of the universe, but after seeing it being savaged by the critics, I feel bad for anyone who worked on Madame Web.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 15, 2024 12:48:14 GMT
The Sony Spider-films are ones that REALLY look like they get fucked around with at the executive level with weird, nonsensical stuff clearly designed to create a shared universe.
No spoilers, but the end credit stings in Morbius are just batshit levels of makes-no-sense, clearly re-edited from different scenes, future-bait bollocks.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 15, 2024 13:01:20 GMT
On the subject of Hela from a few hours ago, it's not just that she took Surtr's sword head-on (and for all her strength she was clearly weaker than him), but also that Asgard the place, stated to be the key to her being able to utilize her powers in full, was obliterated by Surtr as well (that's the whole reason Thor and Loki summoned him when they were trying to prevent it before)... And even if you take "Asgard is where our people stand" literally, Asgard's people were decimated by both Hela and Thanos even before the Snap (i.e most of them are still dead even after it got reversed), so that potential source of power for her is also diminished. Bottom line, Hela is probably dead dead (at least, "our" Hela is. We're dealing with a multiverse now, so...)
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 15, 2024 13:04:01 GMT
The second season of "What If...?" is probably the last we'll see of Hela, she had a good farewell in it.
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Post by simple on Feb 15, 2024 13:28:06 GMT
I know it's not part of the universe, but after seeing it being savaged by the critics, I feel bad for anyone who worked on Madame Web. People really seem to be piling in when it looks like its probably just a slightly dated looking 6/10 like the other recent Sony not-Spiderman movies have been
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 15, 2024 14:03:37 GMT
I know it's not part of the universe, but after seeing it being savaged by the critics, I feel bad for anyone who worked on Madame Web. People really seem to be piling in when it looks like its probably just a slightly dated looking 6/10 like the other recent Sony not-Spiderman movies have been I don't know everything I've read about it feels less like a pile on and more calling it for what it is, creatively bankrupt with a script that lets down a talented cast and more proof that Sony really are just throwing shit at the wall here.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 15, 2024 14:20:13 GMT
Sony will continually throw Spider-shit at the wall when they continually make a bunch of money off of it. They won't give the license up until it stops giving back.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 14:33:39 GMT
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Post by zisssou on Feb 15, 2024 14:56:21 GMT
Hmmm it's Disney... Here goes another childhood memory ruined.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 15, 2024 15:03:54 GMT
The X-Men cartoon is probably the Marvel related thing I'm most looking forward to. Well, maybe 2nd after Deadpool, but only slightly.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 15, 2024 15:07:39 GMT
Yeah, same here. Looking forward to it, but also fully expecting it to be shit and ruin my childhood memories.
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Post by simple on Feb 15, 2024 15:14:28 GMT
If you really want your childhood memories of the X-Men cartoon ruined just watch the original final season where they ran out of money and farmed out the animation to some cut-price studio in the Philippines.
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Post by zisssou on Feb 15, 2024 15:22:13 GMT
I actually don't think I ever watched them in order. I either caught them on CBBC, or on Fox Kids.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 15, 2024 15:25:06 GMT
Where can I find the original cartoon series? I barely remember it and I definitely don't remember an overall story arc.
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Post by zisssou on Feb 15, 2024 15:26:01 GMT
Where can I find the original cartoon series? I barely remember it and I definitely don't remember an overall story arc. Disney+!
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Feb 15, 2024 15:26:08 GMT
Ok, that looks pretty cool. Might resub at some point for that.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 15, 2024 15:26:35 GMT
I'm looking forward to the usual crowd labelling the X-Men as woke. It's definitely coming without any self awareness whatsoever.
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Post by zisssou on Feb 15, 2024 15:38:44 GMT
Jubilee is now trans. Bishop is now gay.
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Post by geefe on Feb 15, 2024 15:39:03 GMT
It's about intolerance and immigration, now. Never used to be.
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Post by simple on Feb 15, 2024 17:08:47 GMT
Where can I find the original cartoon series? I barely remember it and I definitely don't remember an overall story arc. Obviously its all done with the Jim Lee era team but apart from that its very faithful in the way it adapts loads of classic comic arcs* *until it farted out that last season. And of course there’s always the Japanese theme tune to listen to on youtube
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 19:11:21 GMT
Yeah this will go well Disney. Not like social media has a meltdown whenever you change stuff
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 15, 2024 19:18:20 GMT
Is it really a big change? Someone who can change gender at will, it fits the character. I see no issue at all.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 19:20:11 GMT
Is it really a big change? Someone who can change gender at will, it fits the character. I see no issue at all. Check the comments. One guy nails it though by pointing out a large part of X-Men is accepting all types. I'm sure videos will keep popping up on my youtube feed soon now that I've watched the trailer on it.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Feb 15, 2024 19:24:19 GMT
Basement-dwellers raging on Twitter? My god. What have they done.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 19:35:01 GMT
Going to take a guess and say most of them are under 20 anyways.
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