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Post by Whizzo on Feb 14, 2024 21:48:44 GMT
Get Chris Evans to do it, so he'll have played Johnny Storm, Steve Rogers and Victor von Doom and confuse the fuck out of everyone.
Whoever plays Doom will have his entire life thoroughly checked more strongly than the CIA or NSA would do when hiring to make sure there's no possible skeleton in the closet after Majors.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 14, 2024 22:10:35 GMT
Ha you're most definitely right. I think it has to be someone European and I guess someone around Pascal's age so 50 or so.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 14, 2024 22:19:22 GMT
So, Chris Pratt then.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 14, 2024 22:24:12 GMT
Sure.
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Post by geefe on Feb 14, 2024 22:24:54 GMT
Waltz is probably the obvious choice, if he's not been in it already.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 14, 2024 23:45:55 GMT
The guy who played Dracula whose name I can never spell. Claus Bang or something.
But nah, they'll want a name. They've already used most of the bigger "they'd be a good European baddie" actors sadly.
Van Damme?
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Post by simple on Feb 15, 2024 0:31:28 GMT
They haven’t used Skarsgard yet have they? He’s not that much younger than Pascal. Not sure what kind of Doom he’d make but he can do sinister.
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Post by 😎 on Feb 15, 2024 1:01:02 GMT
Stellan, Bill or Alex?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 15, 2024 1:09:19 GMT
Use Malcolm McDowell. He'll say yes to anything.
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Post by mcgeeza on Feb 15, 2024 1:30:09 GMT
Mads would be a great choice. If he wasn’t already in Marvel and everything else.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 15, 2024 2:00:09 GMT
Bradley Walsh.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Feb 15, 2024 5:55:57 GMT
Oh, is that a Joe Pasquale joke? I don't like the bloke, even though he speaks very highly of me.
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Post by simple on Feb 15, 2024 7:41:59 GMT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 15, 2024 8:06:59 GMT
Mads would be a great choice. If he wasn’t already in Marvel and everything else. I guess if they keep it comic accurate and he keeps his fucking mask on it wouldn't matter too much, but he was absolutely wasted in Doctor Strange. Although Marvel has declined I'd say they've generally done a better job at villains in more recent films. slightly. |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 15, 2024 8:27:34 GMT
Henry Cavill, just for the lols.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 15, 2024 8:32:27 GMT
I've said it before, but I wish they'd kept a few of the villains around for more than one movie.
They had some pretty good villains in there, but they almost all got killed off at the end of their movie.
Loki was about the only one that came back.
And I guess that one that Andy Serkis played, although he was always more of a side character.
Even Thanos and his lot really only appeared in Infinity War / Endgame, which was more of a Part 1 / Part 2 thing.
Not that I'd want them to fall into the cliched trap that some old movie series did of continually finding out that the bad guy had actually survived the last movie, and then just repeating the same thing again.
But they could have swapped around some of the pairings of Villains and Heroes, like they do in the comics. Or given a few of the villains mini-arcs.
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Post by Syrette on Feb 15, 2024 8:34:02 GMT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 15, 2024 8:42:45 GMT
I think part of it is down to whether or not the actor wants to stay on.
But there have been some great actors wasted in roles - Mads as glittery eye shadow man, Ecclestone as elf man..I'd even say Bridges as Iron Monger found his talents wasted. I'm struggling to remember quite a few villains as they were so forgettable.
Then when we do have memorable performances they don't stick around. Hela in Ragnarok, come to that Gorr in Love & Thunder was amazing too, and deserved to be in a better film.
Ultron could have been better too, but trying to squeeze him into a single film didn't do him justice and makes a mockery of the title "Age of Ultron" suggests he'd have stuck around longer than what, a fortnight in universe?
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Post by simple on Feb 15, 2024 8:53:54 GMT
Age of Ultron is probably the first one I can think of off the top of my head where the entire movie was just there to set up the next instalment (Civil War). They’ve done lots of movie x leads to movie y ones but that’s probably the first that felt so much like it was just a stepping stone.
I reckon if I sat down with a list of all the movies I’d struggle to get to double figures naming the villains of each film
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 15, 2024 9:13:22 GMT
In most of the MCU movies the bad guys get very little screen time, as everything is focused on the hero and their exploits. (Unlike something like the Batman movies where the villains got more screen time than the hero).
Which tends to mean that they don't get much time to make an impact, and then if they get killed off at the end then they're pretty fleeting.
Doc Strange 2 was probably one of the ones where the bad guy got the most screen time, whereas Doc Strange 1 they got very little.
We didn't actually see Hela die, did we? So I guess they could bring her back.
Or, with the multiverse, I guess they could bring back almost any of them if they want. (No way home style)
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Post by mrpon on Feb 15, 2024 9:16:08 GMT
Oh, is that a Joe Pasquale joke? I don't like the bloke, even though he speaks very highly of me.  |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 15, 2024 9:16:54 GMT
You see her get crushed and possibly drowned by a 50ft long sword so it's implied she's dead.
But yeah they could bring her back.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 15, 2024 9:20:44 GMT
One of their problems is that the bad guys are often high profile actors who would never commit to more than one movie so you will never get a The Joker or any kind of well developed arch nemesis for anyone. Christian Bale isn't going to play Gorr The God Butcher every 3 years.
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Post by simple on Feb 15, 2024 9:51:48 GMT
And while I’m a Marvel guy over a DC one historically, outside of maybe Magneto, Marvel hasn’t really had the breakthrough mainstream villains DC has had with Lex Luther or the Joker or Catwoman.
There are biggies like Green Goblin but in general there are a lot of good villains in the comics but I’m not sure how many you would build a franchise around as iconic mainstream head-to-heads between household names.
But then one of the huge successes of the MCU is taking B-tier selling heroes from the comics and turning them into megastars so who knows. I think it is right to say that MCU films are more about the heroes than Batman films have traditionally been.
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Post by Saul1138 on Feb 15, 2024 9:51:59 GMT
I am in the camp of would love to see Bale back. The character arc was brilliantly played, and where it left him, there could have been an interesting story there. The MCU definitely needs two to three Ian McKellan/Thingy Fassbender type villains that are ambiguous. Doctor Doom is perfect, he isn’t a villain, he is a megalomaniac who does villainous things.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 15, 2024 10:01:43 GMT
I'm not sure they need to make them into huge icons or build franchises around them, it'd just be nice if a few of them stuck around for 2 or 3 movies. Not like coming back to play Hela every 3 years, but more like having the same villain pop up in a couple of movies in a row. Eg: the bad guy in Iron Man 4 is also the bad guy in Captain America 4. You see her get crushed and possibly drowned by a 50ft long sword so it's implied she's dead. But yeah they could bring her back. Yeah, but I don't think I'd really blink if Thor survived that, so she could probably do it too. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 15, 2024 10:10:23 GMT
And while I’m a Marvel guy over a DC one historically, outside of maybe Magneto, Marvel hasn’t really had the breakthrough mainstream villains DC has had with Lex Luther or the Joker or Catwoman. There are biggies like Green Goblin but in general there are a lot of good villains in the comics but I’m not sure how many you would build a franchise around as iconic mainstream head-to-heads between household names. But then one of the huge successes of the MCU is taking B-tier selling heroes from the comics and turning them into megastars so who knows. I think it is right to say that MCU films are more about the heroes than Batman films have traditionally been. I guess Thanos has really changed that view now with how mainstream he has become. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 15, 2024 10:13:24 GMT
Loki too (if he's a bad guy now).
All the other big ones seem spiderman adjacent (Green Goblin, Doc Oc, Venom)
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Post by britesparc on Feb 15, 2024 10:13:54 GMT
Age of Ultron is probably the first one I can think of off the top of my head where the entire movie was just there to set up the next instalment (Civil War). They’ve done lots of movie x leads to movie y ones but that’s probably the first that felt so much like it was just a stepping stone. I reckon if I sat down with a list of all the movies I’d struggle to get to double figures naming the villains of each film I'm not sure this is right, tbh. It's ten years ago now so maybe I'm misremembering but I'm pretty sure nothing in AoU was supposed to set up Civil War. IIRC when in development with AoU, Civil War wasn't even a concept. The writers said that Fiege specifically asked them to change their planned Captain America 3 story into something bigger because he realised they'd be competing against Batman v Superman that summer. So it's possible that really up until filming AoU, Whedon was unaware that Civil War was going to be a thing. There was some post-production Marvel meddling in AoU, but that was more around the Thor plot and setting up the overall Infinity Stones arc. I think the concept of Tony and Steve arguing in AoU was always there, and they even make up before the end of the film. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 15, 2024 10:19:44 GMT
It could be a wild misinterpretation but Marvel has one or two fully fleshed out villains who step in as antagonists for pretty much everyone and their main enemies are the trials and tribulations we had along the way.
You've got a handful of great villains but the main bad guy is usually crippling self doubt and super racism which isn't massively helpful if you need to end a 2hr movie with a fight.
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