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Post by drhickman1983 on Jul 4, 2023 10:24:43 GMT
Actually The Lighthouse was 1.19 so as to be square. I actually knew that but it's so close in ratio it felt a bit pedantic. I should have known better.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 4, 2023 10:26:11 GMT
The best thing about it being 4:3 was it fits the iPad screen better. They do though. Makes it feel like an old pan and scan film.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 4, 2023 12:39:03 GMT
Yeah, sorry, it was a bad David Lynch reference about how he hates the idea of people watching movies on portable devices.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 5, 2023 12:06:58 GMT
Seeing as Marvel Studios aren't going to be at SDCC this year, so in all likelihood we won't know any more about their upcoming movies until next summer, let's indulge in some baseless speculation.
Outside of the films with release dates (Deadpool 3, Fantastic Four, etc) Disney have marked out three dates for future MCU films: February, June, and November of 2026.
The only films that have been announced as actually happening but that don't have dates attached are Shang-Chi 2 and Armor Wars (and, I guess, Spidey 4 but as that'll be distributed by Sony it won't fall onto one of Disney's dates).
So what films do we all think will be released on the "unannounced Marvel Studios" dates? I reckon...
Armor Wars - Feb '26 Shang-Chi 2 - July '26 And - just guessing as to what films they might wanna make before Secret Wars in 2027 - a new Doctor Strange for November '26
What does anyone else think?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jul 5, 2023 12:09:01 GMT
Howard the duck
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 5, 2023 13:50:59 GMT
What the heck is Armor Wars?
I keep forgetting Shang Chi is a thing, having not seen it. I think in the same way that my musical references end at uni,my mcu references end at Endgame.
Frankly, I could do with a bit of a break from MCU movies. It seems like one comes out every 2 weeks and it's exhausting trying to keep up.
I'm quite looking forward to The Marvels in November, but I'm also happy it's not until November.
I like Dr Strange, but I'm not sure he needs another solo movie again too soon.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2023 13:57:05 GMT
What the heck is Armor Wars? I keep forgetting Shang Chi is a thing, having not seen it. I think in the same way that my musical references end at uni,my mcu references end at Endgame. Frankly, I could do with a bit of a break from MCU movies. It seems like one comes out every 2 weeks and it's exhausting trying to keep up. I'm quite looking forward to The Marvels in November, but I'm also happy it's not until November. I like Dr Strange, but I'm not sure he needs another solo movie again too soon. If it's using the comics storyline it would be about Stark's tech being stolen and used for NEFARIOUS shenanigans. In this case it will be Rhodey in place of Stark for obvious reasons.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 5, 2023 14:04:27 GMT
What the heck is Armor Wars? I keep forgetting Shang Chi is a thing, having not seen it. I think in the same way that my musical references end at uni,my mcu references end at Endgame. Frankly, I could do with a bit of a break from MCU movies. It seems like one comes out every 2 weeks and it's exhausting trying to keep up. I'm quite looking forward to The Marvels in November, but I'm also happy it's not until November. I like Dr Strange, but I'm not sure he needs another solo movie again too soon. See, I think there's ages in between films nowadays. I think the Disney+ glut of shows in 2020/21 made me expect stuff in a constant stream. I assumed this year would see three or four shows released (Secret Invasion, Loki 2, Echo, What If) but if they are releasing all of them this year then they'll all be bunched up in the last few months which would be weird. But I do agree a little bit, in that I think three films a year is fine if they're spaced out like they were this year, and having a TV series to watch in between is nice too. I don't really want to go back to a million hours of MCU. And the next Strange movie is likely to be at least four or five years after the last one, which isn't too soon is it? Having said that I'd be amazed if he didn't pop up in stuff before then. Of course, the real question is, when will we see Wongers again?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 5, 2023 14:16:38 GMT
The real question is when will we see Madisynn again? Yeah, 4/5 years is fine, but I wonder if they'll use Strange a bit like they used Stark after Iron Man 3. He shows up in a bunch of stuff, but doesn't actually have his own movie. They like trilogies though, so I guess they'll give him a #3. I guess 3 a year isn't too bad, but for some reason it felt like BP2, Quantumania and Guardians 3 were released very close together. It's 3 a year, but it's also 3 in a 6 month period (November to May)
Doesn't sound super interesting. Sounds a bit like Age of Ultron, but with a less charming protagonist.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 5, 2023 14:17:50 GMT
They’ve got a bunch of titles floating around as TBD that I won’t be amazed if they don’t even make, as I expect that right now they are experiencing some nervousness. Interest and revenue has steadily declined since Endgame, given that was a perfect “end” to the saga for anyone who’d had enough. They made an all-in bet on a major villain actor who is in all likelihood going to have to be let go, so their plans are probably in major flux for 2025/26 as it is. Their biggest stars are gone or going, their most reliable creatives are gone and they’ve created expectations for themselves in phase 1-3 that will been seen as massive fails if they can’t meet that (regardless of the actual profitability.)
And Indiana Jones 5 apparently cost 300 million and is flopping. Given that the previous guy managed to make Disney Plus unprofitable despite a massive turnover, they may be somewhat tense. I wouldn’t count on them making as many movies as they previously stated, and they may pivot from new properties like Nova or White Widow to just more sequels to tested ones. A fifth Spider-Man two years after the fourth one. Doctor Strange 3. A character hinted at or briefly introduced in Kang Dynasty getting a film before Secret Wars (as per Captain Marvel.) They introduced a bunch of teen characters (including Teen Hulk) so it’s hard to doubt a Young Avengers style team up is in the works, though they’re probably still deciding if that’s a movie or a tv show.
But it could also include movies that they can’t reveal the rights status of yet, eg Incredible Hulk, which they’ve no doubt been working behind the scenes to acquire along with any other errant IP left out there.
And who knows, they might be pulling a swifty and introducing their take on X-Men ahead of Secret Wars after a tease in Deadpool 3.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2023 14:21:59 GMT
I believe all Mutant stuff as in X-Men can only appear from 2025 onwards. Something to do with some old Fox rights shit.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 5, 2023 14:25:37 GMT
They have Deadpool with Wolverine slated for May 2024.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2023 14:28:03 GMT
I think individual characters are fine but as in the X-Men as a team, besides the Mutant saga is clearly the thing that will be introduced after Secret Wars. The tricky part is if anyone will care.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 5, 2023 14:28:54 GMT
But Deadpool already had X-Men.
And Marvel licensed the mutant shit to Fox, but now Disney owns Fox and Marvel. Does that mean that Marvel's contract with Fox prevents Fox/Marvel from producing mutant movies if fox is now effectively merged with Marvel/Fox? Weird fucking lawyer stuff huh.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 5, 2023 14:34:05 GMT
And Indiana Jones 5 apparently cost 300 million and is flopping. Why the hell would they have spent 300M on Indiana Jones 5?? There was no way that was ever going to be some massive Avengers level hit.
It might have been a decent mid-level hit.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2023 14:34:12 GMT
But Deadpool already had X-Men. And Marvel licensed the mutant shit to Fox, but now Disney owns Fox and Marvel. Does that mean that Marvel's contract with Fox prevents Fox/Marvel from producing mutant movies if fox is now effectively merged with Marvel/Fox? Weird fucking lawyer stuff huh. No they can make X-Men movies and they are going to, there was something with contracts done pre acquisition but it doesn't really matter as I believe the plan was to introduce the X-Men after the upcoming very short phase.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 5, 2023 14:38:10 GMT
And Indiana Jones 5 apparently cost 300 million and is flopping. Why the hell would they have spent 300M on Indiana Jones 5?? There was no way that was ever going to be some massive Avengers level hit.
It might have been a decent mid-level hit.
They spent 500 million on Solo with all the reshoots. Who knows why they do anything? After posting that earlier, I’ve since seen an article that the box office is picking up after a terrible opening weekend and it could be on track to be okay. I kind of hope it does well (and is a good enough movie) because it would be kind of sad for Ford to sputter out at the end with his greatest character.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 5, 2023 14:43:15 GMT
I don't think they ever really planned on introducing Mutants properly until after Secret Wars anyway. I agree with aubergine, I think the next "Saga" will be the "Mutant Saga", and we'll probably see a massive pivot away from Avengers-focused stories to X-Men focused stories. This will be their attempt to keep things feeling fresh. Let's see how it works.
I also agree that things are in a bit of flux, and I wonder if we will see some of the announced shows drop by the wayside. I think they suffered from the inevitable mini-crash after Endgame (natural jumping-off point, loss of key talent, necessity to scale back after such an epic, etc), Covid cocking up their schedule, and the studio-mandated push to make loads of Disney+ content - and the subsequent reverse-ferret as the new Disney regime tries to stop the deluge of money and pivots away from streaming as a be-all end-all.
I think it'll probably be a while before we see how this pans out; given what's already in production, it might be that this whole Saga is caught up in Disney's corporate shenanigans. But if they start to budget their films a bit more modestly, and try not to put too much stuff out a year, I think they'll be okay until X-Men comes along and makes a billion dollars.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 5, 2023 14:49:08 GMT
The $300m will include the several years of trying to come up with ideas and various other things. The cost to actually make and market the film won’t be that number, although it could be a huge number with all the travel, covid and having an old man in it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 5, 2023 14:51:13 GMT
Do you think they'll try to do a 'Phase 1' approach with X-Men? Eg: Have standalone Rogue, Beast, Gambit, Psylocke movies and then an X-Men event movie to bring them all together.
Or will they just launch a fully formed X-Men movie like Fox did, or like I guess they'll do with Fantastic Four?
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Post by britesparc on Jul 5, 2023 15:15:07 GMT
After they bought Fox, and during their big Disney+ push, I wondered if they'd debut them in a TV series called "The Mutants" or something, with Xavier building the team slowly, and then we'd get to see them properly in action in an X-Men movie.
Now, though, I'm not sure. I kinda hope they don't do something like "oh, here's the X-Men from Earth #1997, but after Secret Wars the universes are all sort of merged so now they're in our world, k thnx bye". I'd rather see something a little bit more like what you've suggested, where the characters are teased or introduced across a series of films culminating in an X-Men movie.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 5, 2023 15:20:42 GMT
I think they’ll try to use Secret Wars to near completely reboot their universe and only move forward with any from phase 4-6 that seem to catch on. Eg, Ms Marvel yes, Eternals no. Given Ms Marvel is their first mutant, I’m also thinking they will steer away from a movie literally called “X- MEN” and use one of their gender-lite titles like X-Factor for the inevitable movie. Tom Holland will demand Spider-Man 4 be about him passing the torch to Miles Morales because he cbf playing a teenager into his mid-forties. Phase 7-9 will be about mutants mainly because they’re the characters Marvel haven’t tapped out but they’ll also have a situation where they can bring back legacy characters with new actors because the MCU will be a bunch of alternative universes mashed together at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 17:03:25 GMT
But Deadpool already had X-Men. Deadpool was a Fox property, not a Marvel Studios one. But I agree with the rest of your post. Disney buying Fox should have nulled any preexisting contracts because they’d just be no-competing with themselves.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jul 5, 2023 19:05:34 GMT
The presence of WPC Datta has instantly elevated episode two of Secret Wars. Hoping DI Burnside or Jim Carver show up in episode 3.
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Post by beastmaster on Jul 5, 2023 19:14:23 GMT
Why the hell would they have spent 300M on Indiana Jones 5?? There was no way that was ever going to be some massive Avengers level hit.
It might have been a decent mid-level hit.
They spent 500 million on Solo with all the reshoots. Who knows why they do anything? After posting that earlier, I’ve since seen an article that the box office is picking up after a terrible opening weekend and it could be on track to be okay. I kind of hope it does well (and is a good enough movie) because it would be kind of sad for Ford to sputter out at the end with his greatest character. Opening weekend is where the studio takes the biggest cut from the ticket sales. Opening weekend is lower than The Flash. In terms of the 5 day opening weekend it made $152 million worldwide. That is utterly abysmal. variety.com/2023/film/news/box-office-indiana-jones-5-opening-weekend-disappointment-1235660071/#:~:text=Disney%27s%20“Indiana%20Jones%20and%20the,million%20in%20its%20opening%20weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 19:18:38 GMT
$152 million opening weekend is a failure? Fuck, time to bust out the old VHS camcorder. I want to fail my way into $152,000,000.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2023 19:21:37 GMT
They spent 500 million on Solo with all the reshoots. Who knows why they do anything? After posting that earlier, I’ve since seen an article that the box office is picking up after a terrible opening weekend and it could be on track to be okay. I kind of hope it does well (and is a good enough movie) because it would be kind of sad for Ford to sputter out at the end with his greatest character. Opening weekend is where the studio takes the biggest cut from the ticket sales. Opening weekend is lower than The Flash. In terms of the 5 day opening weekend it made $152 million worldwide. That is utterly abysmal. variety.com/2023/film/news/box-office-indiana-jones-5-opening-weekend-disappointment-1235660071/#:~:text=Disney%27s%20“Indiana%20Jones%20and%20the,million%20in%20its%20opening%20weekend. I've missed Beasty's tracking figures.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2023 19:22:06 GMT
$152 million opening weekend is a failure? Fuck, time to bust out the old VHS camcorder. I want to fail my way into $152,000,000. It is when you've sunk around 300mil unless it a has a big tail like Top Gun then it's just lower numbers again and again.
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Post by beastmaster on Jul 5, 2023 19:23:21 GMT
That's without marketing and advertising (I think). If so, add another $100 million (and that's a low estimate).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 19:23:29 GMT
They have time to recoup it though. It’s not disappearing into the Disney Vault after one week.
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