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Post by Whizzo on Jul 3, 2023 6:46:00 GMT
It's still more interesting than Cap 1 though. I think we're going to have to disagree on that, The First Avenger is flawed but it's coherent. The skinny Steve effects are woeful though.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 3, 2023 6:46:23 GMT
The sex thing is more than just a bit weird. It's rape that somehow gets a pass because Gal is hot. Yeah but c'mon she's been in grief for 70 years, for a man that she knew for about a week so it's incredibly romantic.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 3, 2023 6:49:56 GMT
It's almost as iffy as the statutory rape scene in Big. It's still more interesting than Cap 1 though. I think we're going to have to disagree on that, The First Avenger is flawed but it's coherent. The skinny Steve effects are woeful though. I think so, because I'd say the skinny steve effects are one of the best things about it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 3, 2023 6:51:09 GMT
It's still more interesting than Cap 1 though. I would like to know what is interesting about it. Like what ideas does it follow through successfully on and make me ruminate after the 2hr30 runtime has passed?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 3, 2023 7:19:35 GMT
Like I said, it's a flawed movie that doesn't really pull off what it's trying to do. But *during* watching it it was an interesting experience and it was one of the few superhero movies where I didn't know where it was going to go next. I'm not saying it's the world's best movie or anything. But if you forced me to rewatch either Cap 1 or WW 2 tonight I know which one I'd pick, and it would be the bland one. Either way, WW1 is better than both of them, and Temple of Doom is better than all of them, so it's a moot point.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 3, 2023 7:44:45 GMT
To save time, can we just have all our threads be “I liked it” “I didn’t and you’re a cunt for liking it” “you’re a cunt for disliking it”.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 3, 2023 7:51:44 GMT
WW2 ia the only super hero movie I can remember just turning off and I made it all the way through that one with John Snow and Barry Whatshisname.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 3, 2023 7:56:03 GMT
I enjoyed WW84, mainly for Pedro Pascal. The Cheetah storyline was fairly stupid though. Agree with this take. Pascal's story was pretty good, WW and Steve stuff was icky but alright besides that and Cheetah was shit. On the whole, thought it was fairly middling, which still makes it significantly better than most DC stuff. Certainly not a patch on the first WW film though.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 3, 2023 8:00:55 GMT
I think I have very middling expectations for DC films in general, which is why I seem to enjoy the ones that get a lot of hate. I enjoyed BvS at the movies well enough. The general backlash to those movies made me very glad I’m not invested in Superman particularly.
The only one I haven’t seen and totally believe the hyte about is Justice League. Eventually watched just the first scene on Netflix one day and bounced right off it.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 3, 2023 8:11:41 GMT
When I first saw Justice League - the original version - I actually really enjoyed it. It was shonky and stupid with bad effects but it felt like a very expensive pilot episode for a TV series, and I liked being around those guys and would have enjoyed seeing what they got up to over the next 22 weeks.
Now, a lot of that may have been brought on by the negative reviews giving me low expectations, and how hard it tries to veer away from the grim shitfest of BvS. On subsequent rewatches my enthusiasm has waned, and all the crap that went on behind the scenes has made even the fun stuff depressing.
I will say, though, that the finale in the theatrical cut - with Supes and Cyborg closing the portal, and how they set the Parademons onto Steppenwolf - is better than the miserable violence of the Snyder version.
I'm not surprised if people bounce off it after the first scene though, because Gotham City looks dreadful in that opening.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 3, 2023 8:19:51 GMT
The funny thing about the theatrical cut is how bad a job it does at disguising that its just some lamewads on a quest to wake up someone useful to save the day for them.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 3, 2023 8:27:17 GMT
I remember thinking that the first hour or so of Justice League wasn't too bad and was quite enjoying it. I was wondering what all the big hate about it was. It just got worse and worse as it went on though and the final act just seemed to be barely comprehensible, not just plot-wise but visually too. Total mess, moreso than any other big budget release of its kind.
The Snyder Cut is an interesting curio and I would say worth watching if you have any interest in such things. It is unashamedly non-stop Snyder, totally bloated and incredibly self-indulgent. Came away after the 3 or 4 sittings it took me to get through it thinking it was utter balls, but kind of glad it exists for those that like that sort thing. It at least had a coherent vision that it sticks with throughout, making it superior to the theatrical cut.
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Post by myk on Jul 3, 2023 10:07:43 GMT
The problem with all Synder films is that is just watching someone playing with toy figures for three hours. There's zero depth, character development or message to any of it.
The MCU at least manages to get those basics in most of their output.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 3, 2023 10:25:36 GMT
I came very close to watching the Snyder cut but then someone mentioned it was in 4:3. I don’t seem to get shocked by much, but I thought just have been some kind of meme joke the young people were using that I’m not clued in on. Apparently it’s true.
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Post by Saul1138 on Jul 3, 2023 10:57:21 GMT
I thought Cap 1 was WW2, and WW1 was WW1? Or am I missing something? Also. WW84 is just dogshit, in my humble. But if others get more out of it than I did, good for them.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 3, 2023 11:12:04 GMT
I thought Cap 1 was WW2, and WW1 was WW1? Or am I missing something? Also. WW84 is just dogshit, in my humble. Bout if others hit more out of it than I did, good for them. Yep you're correct. Proper Dogshit indeed.
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Post by kal on Jul 3, 2023 11:24:23 GMT
I came very close to watching the Snyder cut but then someone mentioned it was in 4:3. I don’t seem to get shocked by much, but I thought just have been some kind of meme joke the young people were using that I’m not clued in on. Apparently it’s true. What do you have against 4:3? There’s reasons not to watch it but aspect ratio prejudice is a weird take.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jul 3, 2023 11:31:58 GMT
I think that's because it was shot with IMAX in mind, which isn't exactly 4:3 but it's close enough.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 3, 2023 12:11:57 GMT
I’ve been surprised by a couple of my dvd movies that are inexplicably in 4:3 and it’s very distracting. For some reason the distributor put the Tv edits of theatrical movies on two discs I own (at least, that I know of so far.)
Learning that a movie I’m highly skeptical about spending four hours watching is also made for televisions that don’t exist anymore is enough to stop me buying the disc for.
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Post by mrpon on Jul 3, 2023 12:14:00 GMT
Just watch it stretched as the director intended.
Jeez, Ben got fat.
Oh.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jul 3, 2023 12:45:16 GMT
I’ve been surprised by a couple of my dvd movies that are inexplicably in 4:3 and it’s very distracting. For some reason the distributor put the Tv edits of theatrical movies on two discs I own (at least, that I know of so far.) Learning that a movie I’m highly skeptical about spending four hours watching is also made for televisions that don’t exist anymore is enough to stop me buying the disc for. It can also be a stylistic choice. Not saying it's the case with Snyder, but The Lighthouse was shot in 4:3 because Eggers and the cinematographer felt it could create a better sense of claustrophobia.
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Post by geefe on Jul 3, 2023 12:56:53 GMT
Actually The Lighthouse was 1.19 so as to be square.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 3, 2023 13:00:23 GMT
Yeah, 4:3 (or Academy ratio) doesn't mean it is made for TV. Generally it is done to make something more intimate and will feature lots of close-ups, or it is to create a sense of claustrophobia, like in the Lighthouse (edit - or not quite 4:3). Sometimes it is used to just make something that looks like it is filmed in an old style, such as The Artist.
It is a weird choice for a big blockbuster superhero film though.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 3, 2023 13:15:57 GMT
The particular movies I’m referring to on DVD (The Independent (2000) and The Dinner Game (1998)) are totally full aspect ratio movies but these discs just happen to have the TV versions on them from decades ago for some reason.
If someone were to make a film in 4:3 today it would definitely be part of the colour of whether I’d pay money to see it or not, but not the only factor.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 3, 2023 13:22:25 GMT
The Snyder's League one is weird because although it was shot in IMAX, I assume it was also intended to have a widescreen print. Lots of movies are shot for IMAX these days, but they tend to release the widescreen regular cinematic version for home viewing, not the 4:3 version.
I assume in a few years we're all going to be back to buying 4:3 tvs so we can enjoy the streaming IMAX versions of movies in 'a more cinematic way and as the director intended', in the same way we all switched to widescreen tvs in 2005 so we could enjoy movies in 'a more cinematic way and as the director intended'.
Don't know those 2 movies, but you do occasionally get weird situations where the only prints with certain scenes are the tv versions. Or they were just lazy.
I mean, after what they did with the HD buffy streaming release, I wouldn't put anything past them.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 3, 2023 13:44:26 GMT
It's absolutely fine depending on the film (think it was used for the French dispatch and the whale too IIRC), but it just looked fucking daft on a CGI laden superhero film.
Just do what Ghost in the Shell did and go for 1.85:1.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 4, 2023 9:28:28 GMT
I assume in a few years we're all going to be back to buying 4:3 tvs so we can enjoy the streaming IMAX versions of movies in 'a more cinematic way and as the director intended', in the same way we all switched to widescreen tvs in 2005 so we could enjoy movies in 'a more cinematic way and as the director intended'. I think we'll eventually get to the point of TVs being essentially invisible - either entirely transparent glass when not in use or some kind of film or screen like a projector - so the size and shape of the image becomes a moot point, as the only thing that's "there" is the image itself. If that makes sense. And the aspect ratio of the Snyder cut was not one of the worst things about it. I enjoy rewatching The Next Generation a lot and that's all 4:3 and it's fine. It was pretty much everything else with Justice League I had a problem with...
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 4, 2023 9:57:10 GMT
The best thing about it being 4:3 was it fits the iPad screen better.
Film was still shit.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 4, 2023 10:04:33 GMT
The best thing about it being 4:3 was it fits the iPad screen better.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 4, 2023 10:12:28 GMT
Depends which way around you hold it.
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