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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 15:33:59 GMT
Both the Switch and PS4 versions are 1080p and 30fps, so if Switch is your preferred platform, there's no reason not to get that version. The problems with poor audio quality and DVD-level FMV clips applies to both versions as well.
So, it's fine. It looks nice handheld, and it's sharp on the TV.
edit: new page. Referring to SMT3. SMT5 is Switch exclusive.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 13, 2021 15:46:49 GMT
The profanity filter for the player name is a bit extreme... Can't even use Minge as a name now  |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 13, 2021 16:09:19 GMT
Stop not taking it seriously
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Post by suicida on Nov 13, 2021 17:03:52 GMT
Just beat the first roadblock boss in V, hard mode with no demons killed. Buzzing.
Got pretty lucky as the boss missed a couple of his big attacks at critical moments, but a win's a win and I'll take that 😎
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 13, 2021 18:58:56 GMT
Ugh, SMT V Europe is a different SKU from the US so I will have to use my wife's UK account for DLC including the Japanese voices... It is nicer when games are like Fire Emblem so I can use US DLC on a UK game.
Disappointing that the Japanese voices are DLC though and not on cart.
Downloading them then time to give it a start.
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Post by suicida on Nov 13, 2021 19:09:23 GMT
I'm playing with English voices, the VA is pretty good TBH. It annoys me that I can't turn the subtitles off for cutscenes though, as I find myself reading ahead even though the voices are in English
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 19:10:56 GMT
Oy, that's a big pet peeve of mine. I can't watch a film with people that turn on subtitles to a language we speak. It's distracting.
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Post by suicida on Nov 13, 2021 19:15:06 GMT
Yeah it's annoying. That's my biggest complaint with the game though, everything else is stellar.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 13, 2021 20:28:40 GMT
I went with Japanese VO just because it's what I always do unless I find I'm missing out on battle dialogue etc. Started without enabling it by mistake and the dialogue in the school made me start a fresh game.
Seems decent so far anyway. Took my time working along the road to the first zone that you need to clear, then got fucked up a couple of metres away from the next save point, so had to replay that bit and just ran straight to the save point this time around.
Quite funny that the first non-freebie demon that you'll probably capture is one that you don't want to use, ever... Those weaknesses have properly fucked up some fights for me and I'm only in the tutorial phase.
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Post by suicida on Nov 13, 2021 20:33:47 GMT
Heh, Slimes are the bane of early game. I'm sure they're just there to teach new players about the Press Turn system the hard way.
"Why is the enemy getting so many extra turns?" xD
After beating the first proper boss the game has really opened up. It's quite linear up to that point but now I've got 3 or 4 different directions to go in. The map is fantastic
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 13, 2021 23:55:39 GMT
Had a few hours play now, handheld on an OLED Switch and it looks pretty nice. Decided to play on normal for a first run though. Even managed to get myself killed in an early random encounter somehow but making a little progress now. No bosses yet though.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 14, 2021 10:29:42 GMT
Anybody managed to recruit the rare spawn that looks like a rotated comma? Doesn't want to listen to me, blocks any attacks and just runs away as soon as it has a go. I never have the guaranteed crit move ready whenever I see one.
Kind of wish that this wasn't an exclusive... It's playable and I'm slowly getting used to it, but it could definitely do with a resolution bump and 60fps... Kind of looking forward to bringing my Switch with me next time I need to go to the office mind you.
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Post by suicida on Nov 14, 2021 10:47:26 GMT
Anybody managed to recruit the rare spawn that looks like a rotated comma? Doesn't want to listen to me, blocks any attacks and just runs away as soon as it has a go. I never have the guaranteed crit move ready whenever I see one. The Mitamas give you a lot of EXP/Macca/rare items when you kill them. They have one weakness that changes every time you meet one (use a Spyglass) then just hit them with whatever they're weak to, one hit is usually enough |
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Post by uiruki on Nov 14, 2021 16:42:44 GMT
I think I've had enough of the bad performance, ordered a jig thing so I can dump all the stuff off my Switch onto my PC and emulate it. Since I'm not pirating anything it looks relatively simple and low risk as you aren't touching the system memory.
It's the menus and camera that feel the worst for me. SMT4 and Final were super snappy on 3DS but this has lots of little pauses everywhere; hopefully I can brute force my way through it.
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Post by suicida on Nov 14, 2021 20:01:10 GMT
This made me chuckle when I saw it on Twitter, a reference to "the other series"  |
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 14, 2021 20:21:01 GMT
I think I've had enough of the bad performance, ordered a jig thing so I can dump all the stuff off my Switch onto my PC and emulate it. Since I'm not pirating anything it looks relatively simple and low risk as you aren't touching the system memory. It's the menus and camera that feel the worst for me. SMT4 and Final were super snappy on 3DS but this has lots of little pauses everywhere; hopefully I can brute force my way through it. I have noticed the menus feel slightly off but in handheld it hasn't felt too bad overall for me. It is odd how so many games have worse performance issues in simple stuff like menus though. And yeah, SMT4 was nice and smooth. Not tried 3 on Switch yet to compare. |
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Post by uiruki on Nov 15, 2021 1:07:42 GMT
I think the issue is that menus are dependent on everything else. You do get games where they decouple the interface from the graphics - the PS1 Final Fantasy games would be borderline intolerable if they didn't - but from what I've read this doesn't. Also the dynamic resolution scaling doesn't kick in until the framerate goes below 25 so they aren't that concerned about performance unfortunately.
I remember 3 on PS5 at least being just fine. Auto battle in particular had a very nice tempo to it, no pauses while damage resolves. Combined with the exclelent sound effects you were just slamming the enemy until your turn ended!
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Post by uiruki on Nov 18, 2021 10:44:34 GMT
About 14 hours in, it's slow progress. Even with the emulator helping things out a lot in terms of responsiveness there are a lot of little animations and transitions baked into the game which hammer the tempo - not good for a combat-heavy game. The lack of a text log is borderline unforgivable on a game which lets you skip a line with the analogue stick (  !!!!) and often just starts dialogue as you approach something. I'm hoping they patch this because it's some bizarre decision making. |
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 18, 2021 11:55:40 GMT
I haven't got far yet but hadn't noticed the analogue thing with the text, it does indeed sound like a stupid design choice though.
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Post by suicida on Nov 18, 2021 11:55:44 GMT
I'm 45 hours in and absolutely loving it (got a week off work) Honestly I'm not seeing any of the issues you keep posting about, it's my GOTY for sure.
I sometimes notice a tiny bit of stutter when opening the menu, but with gameplay this good I really don't give a shit about minor technical issues. You make it sound like they're completely gamebreaking and it's just not the case.
Currently stuck on the second major boss. Thought I'd finished it after killing it's second stage, only for the game to say "haha, welcome to stage 3, what do you mean most of your demons are dead and you have no MP left. Fuck you"
Doesn't help that I'm 3 levels lower than the boss, time to do some of the sidequests I've not done yet and get some stronger demons.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 18, 2021 13:22:52 GMT
suicida Wait, you are only on the second major boss (though admittedly I don't know how many major bosses there are) after 45 hours? Talk about long modern JRPGs. After 45 hours in Nocturne, I was pretty close to entering the final dungeon.
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Post by dfunked on Nov 18, 2021 13:38:49 GMT
Took me 6 hours on the game clock to get past the first boss, but you can probably add another hour or two to that for reloads. Think I'll be doing a LOT of grinding before I consider taking on the next one!
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Post by suicida on Nov 18, 2021 13:55:16 GMT
malek86 I guess you could describe it as the big story boss at the end of the second map area? It's probably the 15th boss I've fought if you include sidequests and sub-bosses etc I'm really taking my time with it, exploring every inch of the map before moving on etc. Been spending a fair bit of time experimenting with demon fusions, and also lots of retries due to hard mode deaths
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Post by spindle9999 on Nov 18, 2021 22:36:40 GMT
In about 5 hours in. I didn't even know you can have Japanese audio.
Is this option on the switch version?
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Post by suicida on Nov 18, 2021 23:41:29 GMT
In about 5 hours in. I didn't even know you can have Japanese audio. Is this option on the switch version? There is only the Switch version for now, it's a console exclusive. The Japanese voices are free DLC from the eShop. |
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Post by spindle9999 on Nov 18, 2021 23:47:56 GMT
No wonder I missed it. Nice one dude.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 19, 2021 7:19:11 GMT
Still a bit miffed the Japanese voices weren't on the cart but I suppose at least we got offered them this time.
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Post by malek86 on Nov 19, 2021 7:25:27 GMT
Size of the game + Japanese voices would have been over 16GB, they probably wanted to keep the cart price under check.
Even though it looks like that didn't stop them from making the game more expensive in Japan for literally zero reason...
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Nov 19, 2021 8:14:05 GMT
Size of the game + Japanese voices would have been over 16GB, they probably wanted to keep the cart price under check. Even though it looks like that didn't stop them from making the game more expensive in Japan for literally zero reason... I figured that would be the reason, still disappointing though (and I hadn't actually checked the filesizes). At least they aren't like Squenix us d to be with charging for Japanese voices or making it permanently exclusive to a day 1 edition that actually sold out by day 1 and not even having a paid option later (World of Final Fantasy on PS4). I could well get the demon DLC at some point anyway so I will live. |
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Post by suicida on Nov 19, 2021 8:32:53 GMT
I bought all the DLC but not seen much of it yet, apart from beating Matador. It's mainly high level endgame bosses. The increased Mitama spawn rates I turned off, will use that more in a second playthrough to power level demons etc.
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!!!!) and often just starts dialogue as you approach something. I'm hoping they patch this because it's some bizarre decision making.