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Post by Danno on Oct 7, 2024 19:13:55 GMT
I think he has played FF7 in some form or another but he hasn't touched the Remake (which I foolishly purchased, both instalments so far, thinking that I would play it as if I'd get the luxury of that much gaming time) citing his pile of shame and the changes in the story. As for Silent Hill, not his kind of game... Yeah, sure. The changes in the story. That's the only reason why. *eyeroll* Anyway, still haven't played 16, either, zisssou. Don't blame me for the DMCfication of FF when my problems with the recent installments (perhaps with 15 excluded) stem exactly from that, thanks  The sass in here, my gawd |
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Post by addyb on Oct 7, 2024 19:18:09 GMT
Tomorrow for most people, expensive edition for the fancy folk is already out. Being called fancy from you, makes me so emotional. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 7, 2024 19:18:42 GMT
Yeah, sure. The changes in the story. That's the only reason why. *eyeroll* Anyway, still haven't played 16, either, zisssou. Don't blame me for the DMCfication of FF when my problems with the recent installments (perhaps with 15 excluded) stem exactly from that, thanks The sass in here, my gawd Hey, if it keeps you around it's worth it  |
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Post by peacemaker on Oct 7, 2024 19:30:52 GMT
I’ve never played a silent hill. What’s it closest to? Something like medium? Do I need to know about 1 first?
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Post by malek86 on Oct 7, 2024 20:09:17 GMT
I’ve never played a silent hill. What’s it closest to? Something like medium? Do I need to know about 1 first? Silent Hill 1 was pretty much... I was going to say Resident Evil with a focus on melee combat and fighting a cult, but that's a bit reductive. Not overly so, however. Alright, let's say it was Resident Evil with melee and cultists. And 3D environments. Quite impressive on the PS1, really. I imagine the fog and all those night scenes exist specifically because it would have been near impossible to render the world on that console without a N64-style view distance. SH2 is similar, except the story is much more psychological and metaphorical and stuff. Also you don't need to know about 1 to play 2, it's effectively standalone. The third game is a direct sequel to the first one instead. |
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Post by Dgzter on Oct 7, 2024 20:15:12 GMT
lol fuck me, the Steam forum threads 🤣
Literally every second one full of raging wee incels.
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Post by addyb on Oct 7, 2024 20:16:50 GMT
lol fuck me, the Steam forum threads 🤣 Literally every second one full of raging wee incels. oh nice, I'll have to take a peek. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 7, 2024 20:18:49 GMT
lol fuck me, the Steam forum threads 🤣 Literally every second one full of raging wee incels. Shocked Pikachu face.gif |
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 7, 2024 20:35:56 GMT
I'll just take a quick look. I mean, surely it can't be quite as bad as--
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Post by wunty on Oct 7, 2024 21:22:36 GMT
Legs.
There are legs. Running around in the dark. Hiding.
Damn those legs.
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Post by Danno on Oct 7, 2024 21:36:18 GMT
lol fuck me, the Steam forum threads 🤣 Literally every second one full of raging wee incels. They're all our age-ish, or they should be. Every one of the cunts was old enough to play the original in 2002 - or they can't critique it. Divorced, rejected or Russian trolls, what a way to live. |
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 0:34:41 GMT
I mentioned it earlier if the original still exists for purchase how does it directly affect someone's love of the original game if a remake exists? Can only speak from my own experience but it's not that it affects my love for the original game, more that the remake doesn't cater to my own exact (selfish) needs and I'm left a bit disappointed and wondering what could have been. For example - all I wanted from the FF7 remake was a gorgeous looking version of the original with the exact same systems and mechanics but they changed far too much. Or something like Warcraft 3 Reforged where they went too far the other way and changed fuck all. Basically, yeah. This is the only remake of Silent Hill 2 we'll ever get. Even more so with FF7 because the people who wanted one will never get a straight remake now
Also people were saying the VA and combat in the original was shit, so seems fair to comment on the combat in the remake and not thinking it fits if people are comparing them
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Post by elstoof on Oct 8, 2024 1:41:56 GMT
Straight remakes are shit. No one should wish for the game equivalent of Gus Van Sant’s Psycho
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 5:02:09 GMT
Isn't that what Silent Hill 2 is? A more or less like for like remake, by all accounts, with modern graphics and The Last of Us combat
There aren't many games I'd want remade, unless it's something that had serious issues in its original form. RE4, Persona 3 and Advance Wars have all had remakes recently that were great. A lot of people liked the Dead Space one. I wouldn't say they're inherently good or bad. I posted in the Wanted Remakes thread not long ago about an FF Tactics remake because that game has some serious flaws with its difficulty. Like reg said, it's the 'what if'. The best remakes are probably the ones that never get made
Just to add, my dislike for Bloober isn't just because of their dull streamer friendly jump scare stuff. Their treatment of mental illness and psychological trauma, especially in The Medium, is at best ignorant or just harmful. I don't think they deserve to be anywhere near Silent Hill 2 given its themes
It sounds like the remake is decent and not the disaster it was looking like. That's cool. I don't think it should be too difficult to understand why someone would be interested in or have thoughts on the remake of a game they've loved for over 2 decades
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Post by elstoof on Oct 8, 2024 6:01:06 GMT
Isn't that what Silent Hill 2 is? A more or less like for like remake, by all accounts, with modern graphics and The Last of Us combat You literally just agreed with Raeghyr that it wasn’t |
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Post by zisssou on Oct 8, 2024 6:26:15 GMT
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Post by zisssou on Oct 8, 2024 6:27:35 GMT
I think he has played FF7 in some form or another but he hasn't touched the Remake (which I foolishly purchased, both instalments so far, thinking that I would play it as if I'd get the luxury of that much gaming time) citing his pile of shame and the changes in the story. As for Silent Hill, not his kind of game... Yeah, sure. The changes in the story. That's the only reason why. *eyeroll* Anyway, still haven't played 16, either, zisssou. Don't blame me for the DMCfication of FF when my problems with the recent installments (perhaps with 15 excluded) stem exactly from that, thanks I enjoyed 16 for that reason! |
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 7:23:56 GMT
Isn't that what Silent Hill 2 is? A more or less like for like remake, by all accounts, with modern graphics and The Last of Us combat You literally just agreed with Raeghyr that it wasn’t He didn't mention SH2. I was agreeing with him about FF7 because they changed the story in the remake and that a bad remake can be disappointing as you know you'll never get your dream remake after that
SH2 is a straight remake insofar as the story and how it plays out but the switch from fixed camera and greater focus on combat make it quite a bit different from the original in terms of gameplay- not in a way that's interesting or adds anything (in my opinion), just to suit modern expectations
Just thought it was odd that you said straight remakes are shit but I don't see you in game threads much so assumed you're up for the SH2 one. Thought you only played JRPGs
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Post by wunty on Oct 8, 2024 8:33:13 GMT
Mmm I’m not sure there’s a greater focus on combat. Not from what I’ve played anyway. Do you mean an increase in the encounters or the way it plays out? What you’ve got to consider, is that the original game is over 20 years old. Game mechanics have changed considerably in that time and the modern gamer wasn’t necessarily brought up on the same outdated mechanics we were. If you want to play the original game, it exists. Go and fire it up. However decrying a remake for introducing modern elements to suit a modern audience is completely futile. You want them to stick slavishly to the original as a template? Why? That game already exists. The director of the original game has already gone on record saying he was hamstrung by system spec hence why a lot of the camera angles were what they were.* You’re intent on banging this drum AA and you’re entitled to. However you’re basing part of your argument at least on how much you love the original, something you sadly don’t have a monopoly on, as there are other ardent fans out there, myself included, that are very much enjoying this new interpretation of a beloved game. * Exhibit A: www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/10/original-director-very-happy-with-bloober-teams-work-remaking-silent-hill-2-on-ps5-pc |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 8, 2024 9:14:40 GMT
Yeah, but he's loved for it over 2 decades.
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Post by rhaegyr on Oct 8, 2024 9:19:42 GMT
I'm surprised anyone liked the combat in any of the Team Silent games - it fit with the 'everyman' characters but it still wasn't enjoyable. Repetitive as hell.
Still better than Homecoming's combat though!
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Post by zisssou on Oct 8, 2024 9:23:20 GMT
I'm surprised anyone liked the combat in any of the Team Silent games - it fit with the 'everyman' characters but it still wasn't enjoyable. Repetitive as hell. Still better than Homecoming's combat though! The majority of the time you are running away from everyone, because it is a chore bashing them over the head. In some ways the running away heightens the tension, as I'm picking my battles for that reason, but also there's times when I'm.. come on get out the WAY. |
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Post by wunty on Oct 8, 2024 9:37:10 GMT
Exactly. I loved the original in spite of the combat, not because of. With this, we finally have combat encouters that are worthy of everything else the game has to offer. They are incredibly tense and visceral. Certainly not over done either, which makes it all the more unnerving when you do have to fight something. And running away is still a valid option. Because I like running away.
Not sure where the previous Last of Us combat comparison comes from. In the sense that it's weighty melee combat and limited ammo ranged encounters I suppose so. You could say a lot of games have that. Again, I'm not sure how it's a negative. It's most definitely a positive in my eyes. Perhaps I'm not a big enough fan.
Maybe it would be best that for all the technological advancements in this, we still just have enemies that wibble up to you, wait to be hit and get in your way. That's what the modern gamer wants.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 10:05:08 GMT
Mmm I’m not sure there’s a greater focus on combat. Not from what I’ve played anyway. Do you mean an increase in the encounters or the way it plays out? What you’ve got to consider, is that the original game is over 20 years old. Game mechanics have changed considerably in that time and the modern gamer wasn’t necessarily brought up on the same outdated mechanics we were. If you want to play the original game, it exists. Go and fire it up. However decrying a remake for introducing modern elements to suit a modern audience is completely futile. You want them to stick slavishly to the original as a template? Why? That game already exists. The director of the original game has already gone on record saying he was hamstrung by system spec hence why a lot of the camera angles were what they were.* You’re intent on banging this drum AA and you’re entitled to. However you’re basing part of your argument at least on how much you love the original, something you sadly don’t have a monopoly on, as there are other ardent fans out there, myself included, that are very much enjoying this new interpretation of a beloved game. * Exhibit A: www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/10/original-director-very-happy-with-bloober-teams-work-remaking-silent-hill-2-on-ps5-pcBut I don't understand the problem. It's just an opinion. I said I was glad you're enjoying it. I've not told anyone they're wrong or can't like it but I'm getting a lot of people telling me I'm wrong to not like it and why. I explained my reasons
Game mechanics haven't changed- you were raving about that survival horror game that reminded you of the old Resident Evil games and there's a massive retro scene, especially with indies. I'm not decrying anything, I'm saying it doesn't appeal to me. I'm not starting a movement. It's one thread on a little gaming forum that about 8 people will see
That game already exists but I would like to see that game with fancy new graphics and what not, with the fixed camera, fancy angles, original character designs, cutscenes. I really don't understand why this is such an issue. You're acting like the old game is just shit now, like, literally people are saying that- even some people who haven't even played it. It's alright to say the original has shit combat and VA because it's old but not to say you don't like stuff about the remake because it's modern
I didn't say the original director didn't like it. That's his opinion, not mine. I don't really care. They liked the original too
I didn't even say the combat was shit, just that I didn't think it suited the game
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 10:10:26 GMT
Exactly. I loved the original in spite of the combat, not because of. With this, we finally have combat encouters that are worthy of everything else the game has to offer. They are incredibly tense and visceral. Certainly not over done either, which makes it all the more unnerving when you do have to fight something. And running away is still a valid option. Because I like running away. Not sure where the previous Last of Us combat comparison comes from. In the sense that it's weighty melee combat and limited ammo ranged encounters I suppose so. You could say a lot of games have that. Again, I'm not sure how it's a negative. It's most definitely a positive in my eyes. Perhaps I'm not a big enough fan. Maybe it would be best that for all the technological advancements in this, we still just have enemies that wibble up to you, wait to be hit and get in your way. That's what the modern gamer wants. And that's your opinion. For me, the combat in the original is fine. You're not suppose to want to fight the enemies, they're there to scare you, get in the way and inform you of the characters. In SH3 you get the bad ending for killing too many enemies. The new combat does nothing for me- it's not needed. The fixed camera is just better, more interesting
And you can keep taking the piss saying the original enemies just wibble about but I'm trolling for saying I don't think the new combat works for what the game is
The enemies in the original were one of the best things about it. Everyone says the same thing. They were fine
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 10:18:06 GMT
I don't want to argue about it, especially with you, wunty
I genuinely don't understand why it's such a big deal. People were talking about the combat and comparing it to the original, so I gave an opinion on it. I haven't really said anything else about the game, like how the faces all look a bit funny or anything
But, yeah, whatever. It's not worth this
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Post by wunty on Oct 8, 2024 10:18:45 GMT
The retro horror scene is pretty big, yes, because of a certain demographic that these games and those mechanics appeals to. The retro scene in general is pretty big, again, within a specific demographic. Me lauding a retro horror game for being just that isn't directly comparible here, I'm sorry, because, as I keep reiterating, Silent Hill 2 already exists. If I want my retro horror thrills, I can go and play the original. I don't need a new version that plays exactly the same way. The fact I live with a young gamer who wouldn't even look at a game with those kinds of mechanics says it all. Younger gamers look for certain mechanics in games becuase that's what they are used to. Our generation are more tolerant of more archaic elements because we grew up with unwieldy craziness a lot of the time.
I'd also like to ask you to point out where I have been acting like the old game is shit, just because I'm referring to the outdated combat mechanics. I also have never said "I actively wish to fight the enemies". What I was saying was then when you do get into a fight, it's intense and visceral, as well as being quite difficult. Combat isn't being promoted and pushed to the fore here, it's merely been brought up in line with the rest of the game. If you read one of my earlier posts, I specifically said how I began to fight the ones I met in town and was soon reduced to trying to flee from them instead. As the original game, they react to noise, and your flashlight. You can avoid them, and the game takes pains to remind you that you can do so. So your argument there doesn't seem to hold much weight either.
Where you're saying your opinon and how many people visit this forum isn't relevant to this discussion either.
You're continually writing your optinon at length, despite having zero desire to play the game, as well as taking umbrage with the dev. Again, you're entitled to do so, however judging the dev solely on their past work and not on the currently well received work is a little short sighted in my opinion.
No one is saying you cannot voice your opinion. I'm merely trying to understand what you wish to gain by repeating the same sentiments ad nauseum knowing that as you're never going to play the game, they're never going to change. My opinion may well change over time, but I'm actively playing the thing. You've said your piece and if you want to keep on repeating yourself despite earlier saying you weren't going to, then by all means carry on. But don't get precious about the fact there may be conflicting opinions or an argument might ensue.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 10:39:13 GMT
I don't care about a younger generation, I don't have to. I'm only talking about me
You've repeatedly taken the piss out of the old combat saying they wibble about. The voice acting was discussed. You're talking like the original game is unworthy of being played by people now. You even said you'd never play it again
I completely disagree on the dev. It matters. Of course their past work matters. What has changed about them making Silent Hill 2? Nothing, they didn't write it. It shows no growth whatsoever. The short sightedness is lavishing them with praise and ignoring their previous work because they made a game you like and ignoring the shit they've done in the past. You're entitled to put a computer game above any personal issues and I'm entitled not to. I have people close to me who have experienced childhood trauma and for them to put out a game that says they're beyond help and can only hurt people, nah. Please don't tell me how to feel about Bloober Team
I'm posting about the current hotness in the given thread on a dedicated video game discussion board. Every time Borderlands gets mentioned people feel the need to say it's shit, you included. But I don't cry about it
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 8, 2024 10:48:55 GMT
Also, I am interested in seeing what they've done, I just don't want to give them my money or play it. I'll watch it passively with my egg and chips. I would have liked to then discuss it but probably not
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Post by Frog on Oct 8, 2024 10:49:27 GMT
I would imagine the number of people playing the original game is extremely low. The number of people playing the remake will be quite high and I doubt many of them would want to go back and play the old one (me being one of them). It's a remake for people that like modern games which is no bad thing, they won't pull everyone along for the ride but I doubt that's the intention. The key is to satisfy the ones they do and also please the new people to bring the franchise alive again.
If they can do that then it's a big success for Konami who tend to kill almost everything they touch lately.
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