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Post by simple on Feb 3, 2024 16:36:27 GMT
I was thinking that. Even if the combat is only a minor part of what the SH2 remake ends up being they’ve absolutely cut that trailer with an eye on the RE remakes. Only the engine doesn’t look as pretty or polished as Capcom’s.
I’ll almost certainly still pick it up but they’ve not done themselves many favours with that trailer.
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 3, 2024 19:08:53 GMT
Just finished The Short Message. I liked it, although the final chase sequence is a ball ache. Felt like I was aimlessly running around quite a bit trying to find the necessary pick ups. Besides that, it was enjoyable for what it was. Very on the nose and ties itself up all a bit too neatly at the end and was the witch curse side story just a bit of a red herring? I assumed that was going to tie into breaking the loop, but it felt mostly forgotten about other than mentions of a curse in the family . Worth the price of admission, at least. I haven't read too much into it but seems and Maya's grandmother was the witch. As this all takes place in Germany, it seems like they're looking to expand out beyond Silent Hill, the game does say the curse she put on the place is what leads to more suicide rates and miscarriages than any other place in Europe.
Started and finished it earlier. Agree that the final chase sequence was a ballache. Only on my 5th attempt I realised once you see images flashing on the phone then there's a pickup somewhere in that room. It just so happens the rooms are large and have multiple pathways. Anyway the game really really wants to let you know that suicide isn't cool and yet at the same time it's also kinda cool and beautiful. Inconsistent writing to a degree and the truly awful lip sync between dub and the cutscenes takes me out of it. 2 hrs to do, it was just ok so which by default makes it the best Silent Hill game in years
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 3, 2024 22:44:25 GMT
Just finished The Short Message. I liked it, although the final chase sequence is a ball ache. Felt like I was aimlessly running around quite a bit trying to find the necessary pick ups. Besides that, it was enjoyable for what it was. Very on the nose and ties itself up all a bit too neatly at the end and was the witch curse side story just a bit of a red herring? I assumed that was going to tie into breaking the loop, but it felt mostly forgotten about other than mentions of a curse in the family . Worth the price of admission, at least. I haven't read too much into it but seems and Maya's grandmother was the witch. As this all takes place in Germany, it seems like they're looking to expand out beyond Silent Hill, the game does say the curse she put on the place is what leads to more suicide rates and miscarriages than any other place in Europe. Yes, this is what I thought as well (assuming you mean Anita, rather than Maya), but I'm not sure timing makes sense for this. Perhaps I'm getting muddled, but I thought the Witch was burnt alive in the 40s. Anita's Mum was supposedly in her early 40s in 2012, which would mean she was born at the start of the 70s. Unless the witch was actually Anita's great grandmother, it doesn't seem to add up. Plus, the solution to break the curse seemed to just be for someone to ask her shopping. I get what they were going for, but it seemed all a bit simple both thematically and narratively. |
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Post by Zuluhero on Feb 4, 2024 9:29:20 GMT
As an aside, whomever renamed this thread is a genius. I've been to Hull on a night out and that is closer to Silent Hill than the remake is seemingly turning out to be! 😅
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 4, 2024 9:42:07 GMT
I haven't read too much into it but seems and Maya's grandmother was the witch. As this all takes place in Germany, it seems like they're looking to expand out beyond Silent Hill, the game does say the curse she put on the place is what leads to more suicide rates and miscarriages than any other place in Europe. Yes, this is what I thought as well (assuming you mean Anita, rather than Maya), but I'm not sure timing makes sense for this. Perhaps I'm getting muddled, but I thought the Witch was burnt alive in the 40s. Anita's Mum was supposedly in her early 40s in 2012, which would mean she was born at the start of the 70s. Unless the witch was actually Anita's great grandmother, it doesn't seem to add up. Plus, the solution to break the curse seemed to just be for someone to ask her shopping. I get what they were going for, but it seemed all a bit simple both thematically and narratively. It's extremely simple, who knew a bit of retail therapy would cure suicidal thoughts? Also I dunno, Anita really lucked out on the end. Trauma mitigated, she keeps her best friend and now she doesnt have to worry about competing with Maya, even though she was at fault for Mayas suicide. Reminds me of The Medium where that game also has a clumsy message about victims of generational trauma arent worth saving and gotta go. |
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Post by Cappy on Feb 4, 2024 11:02:55 GMT
If Konami hadn't been so eager to cash in they would have thought longer term and started from the very beginning with the original Silent Hill, using that as a fresh beginning. The problem with jumping in at Silent Hill 2 is that there's not going to be much good will to spare, expect four hour analysis videos on Youtube painstakingly covering all the omissions and foul-ups.
People would be lot more forgiving with a PS1 remake since a lot of the stuff you'll be creating wasn't really there in the first place beyond some smudgy textures and chunky geometry suggesting various things. Meanwhile you're completely replacing characters with new ones in the Silent Hill 2 remake, that's like swapping out a beloved actor in somebody's favourite franchise. Sorry! We couldn't get Christoper Reeve for Superman, Don't worry we've got Danny DeVito! We can use digital effects to fix the double chins and do a digital toupee thing.
We know exactly what the Silent Hill 2 characters look like, pretending that the original was so low fidelity you needed to reinterpret everything just makes you look like a twat. I think there's a certain level of hubris to blame with many recent remakes, the developers may be getting to work on prestigious franchises but they're not creators, just humble workmen riding on somebody else's coattails.
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Post by simple on Feb 4, 2024 12:41:13 GMT
I’d love an update of SH1
Sure Capcom jumped straight in with RE2 on its recent wave of remakes but what they have that Konami don’t is a solid version of the first game that’s still available to everyone and mostly holds up.
I think Konami should probably have dipped their toes with SH1 then moved on to 2. But given the lack of care they’ve shown the series I doubt they really planned very far ahead in this soft relaunch of the franchise and they obviously didn’t want to let Kojima have his way.
I’m excited that the series is back but it does feel like we’re getting a slightly budget version.
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Post by Cappy on Feb 4, 2024 15:33:15 GMT
The difference is that Capcom has maintained access to the entire mainline Resident Evil series. Unless you are desperate to dig into stuff like Outbreak, the Gun Survivor games and Operation Raccoon City, they've given you serviceable options. So, for the time being at least you don't even need any of their remakes. You've got various options for playing the original Resident Evil spanning multiple generations of hardware, most people are happy enough with ports of the version derived from the Gamecube remake.
Contrast that with Konami, you've got the PS2, Xbox and PC versions of Silent Hill 2 with only the Greatest Hits/Platinum version of the PS2 version having all the content and all the fog effects etc. intact. So that's the baseline they at least had to match going forward. What we got instead is the Silent Hill HD Collection. Some people are going to get a bit tetchy when you trot out a trailer that looks like an over the shoulder shooter.
They're understandably worried that the original is being replaced with something that's not Silent Hill 2 and the only option they've been given is a broken HD collection running on hardware that's well on the way to being twenty years old and the original discs which are even older. There's going to be some anger and silliness.
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Post by rawshark on Feb 4, 2024 15:37:37 GMT
Downloaded the free thing - will play it tonight. As someone who is a self-confessed poo pants man when it comes to horror games, how poo pants is it?
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 4, 2024 15:39:29 GMT
Extremely minor imo, the game doesn't even give you the time to dread any scary monster as you're on the run and the chase sequences, except the last one, can be over in a minute or so.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 4, 2024 16:23:33 GMT
I wouldn't say extremely minor, but can't imagine it being brown trouser time for many people besides the truly horror averse. I thought it had a creepiness to it and has some moments that were well done, but ultimately it isn't doing anything too different from similar types of games. I did find the chase sequences had me a little on edge, but you inevitably will fail at least the last one a few times, so the tension ends up fading. It deals with heavy topics, that might be unsettling suicide is referenced throughout, but also child abuse . They are only averagely handled though, so it verges a little too closely to misery porn at times, rather than actual unease or fear. |
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Post by apollo on Feb 10, 2024 9:08:46 GMT
Silent Hull the game?
saw it on shillup's indie steam video and it looks good and its made by 1 person
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 14, 2024 9:39:56 GMT
Nice to see them getting along
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Post by zisssou on Feb 14, 2024 9:41:56 GMT
It's almost as if Konami are difficult to work with..
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Post by simple on May 30, 2024 23:58:41 GMT
13 minutes of Silent Hill 2 Remake gameplay
I know Capcom are an absolute machine at the moment but if you told me this was significantly older than the RE2 remake I’d fully believe you.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 31, 2024 0:09:45 GMT
It's odd. It looks exceptional from a visual perspective but when things move it kinda falls apart. It looks a bit stiff, I dunno really what to think.
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Post by apollo on May 31, 2024 6:04:54 GMT
James and Angela look so strange and off (James looks like but we have Leon Kennedy at home still) the animation quality reminds me of Bloober's team The medium (not a good thing)
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Post by wunty on May 31, 2024 6:40:22 GMT
I’m sold after all that new gameplay. Sure, some might say I’m just bloody desperate for more Silent Hill after all this time but I honestly think it looks decent. No, I don’t think it’s going to be on a par with Capcom from RE7 onwards, but it looks good enough for me to want to play it.
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Post by Tuffty on May 31, 2024 6:42:17 GMT
Because it's Blooper team that are making this. I lost interest once I heard they would be involved and have creative input to make story changes. After The Medium they shouldn't have been allowed near SH2. But here we are, James swapping instantly between bat and gun like Leon Kennedy, enemy designs being a little too on the nose compared to the original and even getting character design wrong. I know its a 15 min clip cut together but even just the amount of talking in game seemed too much. I never wanna be one of those people that gets too precious over remakes, it brings new people in but SH2 was made by a highly specific group of people with a vision in mind and a story to tell that you just can't hope to replicate.
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Post by rhaegyr on May 31, 2024 7:31:21 GMT
The tone looks very different to the original and not in a good way.
Hard to judge from watching a trailer alone but as Tuffty says I'm not holding my breath considering who's at the helm.
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Post by wunty on May 31, 2024 10:29:23 GMT
I watched all the new footage again. I genuinly think it looks prety damn good. There's not much there that I don't like. I never properly understand the discourse with these reveals, and it's hard to gauge other people's expectations. I too am a massive fan of Silent Hill, 2 in particular. I've played it countless times over the years and it remains, along with System Shock 2 and Resident Evil 2, one of the all time classic horror games in my view. I'm not precious about it though, and I understand that it will continue to exist with or without the presence of this remake. What I've seen so far is giving me enough Silent Hill 2 vibes to be genuinely keen for it. I am, however, quite forgiving with games and it takes a LOT to put me off something when it ticks enough boxes to get me looking forward to it. Sure, the animations look a little wonky in places and perhaps it's not quite how I would have liked it at points, but that's the nature of it all. Nobody is going to get exactly what they want. I see nothing in this new trailer that tells me it's going to deviate massively from the original in terms of overall narrative, structure and progression. I'm on board. I'm on board to the extent that I'm actually considering a pre-order. Why? Because I'm excited. Fuck it.
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Post by wunty on May 31, 2024 10:43:07 GMT
Also, and this isn't directed really at anyone apart from the internet in general, and it's not just pertinent to this game either but I'm fed up with the "it looks like a PS3 / 360 game". Like actual fuck it does.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 31, 2024 10:46:19 GMT
Yeah I think it looks decent. Decent enough to want to give it a go at least.
I doubt it'll be a day one purchase (not many things are) but it'll be on the purchase backlog list.
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Post by rhaegyr on May 31, 2024 10:49:43 GMT
Fair play, wish I was as enthusiastic as you guys are.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 31, 2024 10:51:12 GMT
Like I said I think visually, it's great, character faces are a bit mixed but the animation does not look great. At all.
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Post by mrpon on May 31, 2024 10:56:47 GMT
Silent Dull more like!!
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on May 31, 2024 11:16:29 GMT
That looks pretty good to me. Combat thankfully looks a fair bit less crap this time round.
Only things I’m not sold on are the main character design, as it just looks like he’s wearing a really dodgy wig, and the budget Arial UI that pops up when you use a health item.
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 31, 2024 11:39:14 GMT
Fair play, wish I was as enthusiastic as you guys are. To be honest "enthusiastic" is probably a bit strong for me. It's more like a generic interest. |
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Post by wunty on May 31, 2024 11:59:06 GMT
I'm enthusiastic. Me. Over here.
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Post by quadfather on May 31, 2024 12:10:48 GMT
Looks good to me, but they better not have messed with the soundtrack
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