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Post by technoish on Nov 6, 2022 23:03:57 GMT
What do people with open fires use to block it when not in use? I was looking at ordering a chimney sheep, just need to make sure I get the right size, and that it's not too messy and there's somewhere to store it when the fire is being used. Meant to do this ages ago but the current situation with energy bills has made it more pertinent. I assume for an open fire? For my stove I do nothing. I got a balloon off Amazon for another (unused) fireplace. Just need to remember to take it out!!! My open fire place in US had a door built in at top of chimney. |
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 8, 2022 16:00:13 GMT
Got my logs order confirmed for Monday coming. Excellent. Almost finished construction of the log store, just need to get out to the timber merchant for some boards for the roof. Some may say the most important part of a log store....
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Post by EMarkM on Nov 8, 2022 19:13:10 GMT
…the roof. Some may say the most important part of a log store.... Or, in English, the only part… /PredictablyMeThatHadToSayIt |
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Post by darkling on Nov 8, 2022 20:01:37 GMT
Got my logs order confirmed for Monday coming. Excellent. Almost finished construction of the log store, just need to get out to the timber merchant for some boards for the roof. Some may say the most important part of a log store.... Nice, sounds like it's all coming together. I want pictures 😁 I think you've done well to find logs. One of the suppliers I use has a 2 month wait now, apparently. Glad I sorted mine a couple of months back. How many logs did you go for out of interest? I ran out last year, so I went for more this year and got 2 "builder's ton" bags of kiln dried hardwood. Not sure it'll be enough though. |
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 8, 2022 20:23:42 GMT
Got my logs order confirmed for Monday coming. Excellent. Almost finished construction of the log store, just need to get out to the timber merchant for some boards for the roof. Some may say the most important part of a log store.... Nice, sounds like it's all coming together. I want pictures 😁 I think you've done well to find logs. One of the suppliers I use has a 2 month wait now, apparently. Glad I sorted mine a couple of months back. How many logs did you go for out of interest? I ran out last year, so I went for more this year and got 2 "builder's ton" bags of kiln dried hardwood. Not sure it'll be enough though. Cheers. I will get a picture once the roof is sorted! I was, in my ignorance, expecting to put an order in on the Monday and have it delivered before the weekend but had a 4 week wait in the end. I have gone for a 2m^3 net of 10 inchers. As it suggests it is wrapped, not in bags, but is the equivalent of 3 builders bags by all accounts. It is such a difficult thing to quantify how it will shake out in to this store I've built. Bet it's pishing down on delivery day as well. |
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Post by henroben on Nov 8, 2022 21:44:41 GMT
Nice, sounds like it's all coming together. I want pictures 😁 I think you've done well to find logs. One of the suppliers I use has a 2 month wait now, apparently. Glad I sorted mine a couple of months back. How many logs did you go for out of interest? I ran out last year, so I went for more this year and got 2 "builder's ton" bags of kiln dried hardwood. Not sure it'll be enough though. Cheers. I will get a picture once the roof is sorted! I was, in my ignorance, expecting to put an order in on the Monday and have it delivered before the weekend but had a 4 week wait in the end. I have gone for a 2m^3 net of 10 inchers. As it suggests it is wrapped, not in bags, but is the equivalent of 3 builders bags by all accounts. It is such a difficult thing to quantify how it will shake out in to this store I've built. Bet it's pishing down on delivery day as well. I ordered my logs in the summer on a Sunday evening and the guy delivered them the Tuesday morning, friend at work ordered some recently and it's now a 6 week wait! It's incredibly hard to guess at how much wood you might need, I've only got just over a cubic metre - due to space limitations for storing them, so I will certainly have to order more this winter. But I'm not intending to heat my house purely with the stove, so hopefully won't need that much more, and I do have roughly 150 Kg of anthracite kicking around as well, so can burn that if needs be. My sister in law is Canadian and I remember her family saying they got through roughly 3 - 4 cords of wood in a winter for their wood burner. Admittedly it's much colder there and they were burning softwood, but that's a staggering amount of logs - roughly 10 - 15 cubic metres! |
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 8, 2022 21:51:10 GMT
Holy shit yeah that’s a lot of wood.
I do love getting a delivery though - makes me feel rich!
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 15, 2022 11:24:30 GMT
Right-o- that's my logs delivery made yesterday. Bit more stressful than turning the boiler on for sure. Delivered off the back of a covered truck, not a Hi-ab type telehandler. Little guy with a hand pulled pallette thingy. Dropped at the front garden on the pavement. 2 cubic meters. 4 or 5 wheelbarrows filled the brand new log store and I still had about 2/3rds on the bloody street! Had to quickly clear a big space in the cellar and load it in a barrow at a time. But it's in, and seems to be staying dry in the rain we have had over night and that continues today. I propped the middle of the run with a fencepost and the water is soaking along it an on to the base amazingly efficiently so can totally see the need for damp proofing at the base.   |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2022 11:34:24 GMT
Now that's a wood store!
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Post by dogbot on Nov 15, 2022 11:35:57 GMT
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 15, 2022 11:46:31 GMT
Thanks mates. Although I posted that and went down for a look - the amount of moisture tracking up the temporary props is unreal. I've shoved them further under the canopy so hopefully that helps.
I just cant see how a tall open faced store doesn't result in the logs being soaked continuously...
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Post by dogbot on Nov 15, 2022 11:49:00 GMT
I think they have to be fairly exposed and constantly wet - like, never drying out - for it to really be a problem. It takes quite a lot of rain before stacked logs start getting wet enough for it to soak in, ime. If you have airflow, it dries the surface water surprisingly quickly.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 15, 2022 11:55:12 GMT
Good point cheers. It's a bit of a mind shift - to allow things to get a bit wet. The architect in me is cringing that it's not all dry and warm.
Tune in tomorrow for day 2 of Log Watch!
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Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2022 12:05:06 GMT
When are you setting up the live cam?
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 15, 2022 12:08:04 GMT
Check my Only(Stove)Fans user Dougs
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Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2022 12:10:23 GMT
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Post by mrpon on Nov 15, 2022 12:40:10 GMT
Looks fab nexus, let us know when the guttering is installed  |
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Post by quadfather on Nov 15, 2022 13:01:37 GMT
Hey, you could channel all the water soaking your logs and turn it into a garden watering irrigation system  |
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Post by darkling on Nov 15, 2022 13:35:30 GMT
nexus6 Looking awesome mate! You did the right thing keeping the store quite low. I wouldn't worry about water soaking into the temporary props or any parts of the frame. It's on gravel so excess water will run away quickly and it'll dry quickly. Despite all the problems I've had with my log store, water hasn't transferred from the frame to the logs, even when it's been saturated with water. Speaking of which, my fecking roof is leaking!  Not sure why it's suddenly become an issue now. I can't work out exactly where the leak is, but the feather-edged overlapping planks of timber that make up the roof are absolutely sodden on top (they're like a saturated sponge) and I think water is actually soaking through the planks in a couple of places, and dripping into the store. I've just thrown a builders bag over the top of the logs for now to protect them in the short term, but in the summer I'm going to have to either make a new roof for it out of thicker wood, or cover it with roofing felt. I'm definitely increasing the overhang too, because despite moving all the logs further back into the store, and putting a row of roofing slates along the bottom to protect the logs, some of the logs nearer the bottom are still somehow catching the rain.
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Post by dogbot on Nov 15, 2022 13:36:11 GMT
Did you put a waterproof layer under the roof?
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Post by darkling on Nov 15, 2022 13:53:19 GMT
No there's no waterproof layer under the roof. I was reading online and apparently that's a bad idea because it traps any water that's got through between the roof and waterproof layer, causing rot.
I didn't build the store myself from scratch, I just bought it. For £250 I assumed it'd at least keep my logs dry. How wrong I was.
I was thinking to myself earlier, I could've bought a bloody car for £250 that would've been waterproof, and shoved my kiln dried logs in that!
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Post by Dougs on Nov 15, 2022 13:54:50 GMT
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Post by quadfather on Nov 15, 2022 14:14:46 GMT
I've given up with it. I've just put a large sponge in the boot and just mop it out before I drive anywhere.
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Post by henroben on Nov 15, 2022 14:18:12 GMT
nexus6 Looking awesome mate! You did the right thing keeping the store quite low. I wouldn't worry about water soaking into the temporary props or any parts of the frame. It's on gravel so excess water will run away quickly and it'll dry quickly. Despite all the problems I've had with my log store, water hasn't transferred from the frame to the logs, even when it's been saturated with water. Speaking of which, my fecking roof is leaking! Not sure why it's suddenly become an issue now. I can't work out exactly where the leak is, but the feather-edged overlapping planks of timber that make up the roof are absolutely sodden on top (they're like a saturated sponge) and I think water is actually soaking through the planks in a couple of places, and dripping into the store. I've just thrown a builders bag over the top of the logs for now to protect them in the short term, but in the summer I'm going to have to either make a new roof for it out of thicker wood, or cover it with roofing felt. I'm definitely increasing the overhang too, because despite moving all the logs further back into the store, and putting a row of roofing slates along the bottom to protect the logs, some of the logs nearer the bottom are still somehow catching the rain. If you don't fancy roofing felt what you could do is waterproof your existing one (once it's dried) with either varnish or polyurethane if you want to keep it visually looking the same. I'd be surprised if it's actually soaking through the wood though, it does sound like your wood store is getting hit by the wind - driving the rain into the opening and maybe forcing it between the roof boards? I put roofing felt on mine, and indeed added guttering and so far it's been absolutely fine - but I did locate it in what's basically a rain shadow caused by the fence and the shed, which definitely helps! |
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Post by mrpon on Nov 15, 2022 14:28:15 GMT
Have you guys thought about another log burner in front of the log store to keep it dry?
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Post by darkling on Nov 15, 2022 15:26:01 GMT
nexus6 Looking awesome mate! You did the right thing keeping the store quite low. I wouldn't worry about water soaking into the temporary props or any parts of the frame. It's on gravel so excess water will run away quickly and it'll dry quickly. Despite all the problems I've had with my log store, water hasn't transferred from the frame to the logs, even when it's been saturated with water. Speaking of which, my fecking roof is leaking! Not sure why it's suddenly become an issue now. I can't work out exactly where the leak is, but the feather-edged overlapping planks of timber that make up the roof are absolutely sodden on top (they're like a saturated sponge) and I think water is actually soaking through the planks in a couple of places, and dripping into the store. I've just thrown a builders bag over the top of the logs for now to protect them in the short term, but in the summer I'm going to have to either make a new roof for it out of thicker wood, or cover it with roofing felt. I'm definitely increasing the overhang too, because despite moving all the logs further back into the store, and putting a row of roofing slates along the bottom to protect the logs, some of the logs nearer the bottom are still somehow catching the rain. If you don't fancy roofing felt what you could do is waterproof your existing one (once it's dried) with either varnish or polyurethane if you want to keep it visually looking the same. I'd be surprised if it's actually soaking through the wood though, it does sound like your wood store is getting hit by the wind - driving the rain into the opening and maybe forcing it between the roof boards? I put roofing felt on mine, and indeed added guttering and so far it's been absolutely fine - but I did locate it in what's basically a rain shadow caused by the fence and the shed, which definitely helps! I was looking at the varnish route. That would at least rule out the water soaking through the roof wood, which I'm 90% sure is the problem. I think some rain might be drifting into the store somehow, but there isn't a breath of wind here today, so I'm baffled as to how the rain is still getting a few of the bottom the logs. I checked for gaps between the roof boards and there aren't any, although when it's dry one corner of one board lifts/warps upwards slightly, so when it's dry I'm going to hammer it down with a couple of nails. Might actually be worth simply taking a hammer to all the roof boards and giving them a good bang, to make sure they were hammered down fully in the first place. |
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 15, 2022 16:20:46 GMT
Here's how I did the roof to try and get belts and braces dry:  Although the eagle eyed among you will notice the red breather line is different between the 2 drawings - it is as the top one, and so the air gap in the bottom one is also 'one up' |
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Post by dogbot on Nov 15, 2022 16:47:05 GMT
*nods sagely*
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 15, 2022 16:52:29 GMT
Ha! The red line is a Tyvek breather membrane I had lying around repurposed as a sort of roofing underlay. The idea being that any moisture that gets through drips on to this and rolls off the front. The Flashband on top of the battens is a brilliant bit of material - a bodgers dream if you haven't come across it. Bituminous adhesive roll essentially. Roll it to length, cut it, peel the backing, heat it up with a heat gun and stick it on. Usually used to fix gutters or flat roofs etc. I put it on here to act as a pad to goop up round the screws for the feather edge roof. Moisture doesn't get through the screw holes to the Tyvek. So far not had a problem. I think it will work out well. |
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Post by quadfather on Nov 15, 2022 17:40:42 GMT
Rimmer, is that you?
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Not sure why it's suddenly become an issue now. I can't work out exactly where the leak is, but the feather-edged overlapping planks of timber that make up the roof are absolutely sodden on top (they're like a saturated sponge) and I think water is actually soaking through the planks in a couple of places, and dripping into the store.