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Post by quadfather on Oct 8, 2022 13:13:38 GMT
Start worrying when quad calls it shit. Heh, harsh!
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Post by henroben on Oct 8, 2022 13:24:00 GMT
Something a bit like this I guess? Although I think this one is lit by spots cut into the register plate. The one I saw in the pub was more of an even lighting so I was presuming it was a strip light of some kind. However, thinking about it, that was during the summer so it's entirely possible it was something temporary and they remove it when using the fire. Is just that the mantle / surround of mine is black, as is the hearth, and the back of the chimney is fire blackened brick... it's just all very... dark. I think I was hoping the stove would illuminate it more, but obviously it only lights what's directly in front of it, as that's where the glass is!
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Post by quadfather on Oct 8, 2022 14:12:04 GMT
Ah right. I was imagining something a bit more garish whereas that looks quite nice.
Doesn't it mrpon
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Post by henroben on Oct 8, 2022 14:24:39 GMT
I was thinking something even more low key that that tbh, just something to add a little light to the back brickwork to stop it being a big black hole in the room... ;-)
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Post by quadfather on Oct 8, 2022 14:37:26 GMT
Yeah mines all black and dark too Hmm
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 11:11:34 GMT
Does anybody have an outdoor log store? I bought this log store in the summer and filled it with 2 builder's ton bags of kiln dried logs. However, because it's quite tall, the bottom row of logs are quite exposed to the rain (due to the lack of roof overhang from above at that point) and the ends have become quite wet in the recent sustained downpours, and a lot of the ends have started to blacken so some degree. It's hard to tell how far the moisture has penetrated the logs, and hopefully it's just the ends, but I'm still a little worried about rot, and also the water soaking upwards into the rest of the logs. Advice online is adamant that an outdoor log store like mine, with good airflow, is the best storage solution for logs, and even if the logs get wet they'll dry again, but I don't know if that advice necessarily applies to the sustained dark, damp climate of Northern England in winter. I used to keep my logs in my outhouse, which was actually fine, despite the lack of airflow, but I just don't have room in there for large amounts of logs. It also occurred to me that most people's log stores will be sitting in a foot of snow at some point during the winter, and so will the logs at the bottom of the pile, so surely this is a common issue? Would be great to get some reassurance or advice from anyone else with an outdoor store, thanks.
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Post by nexus6 on Oct 24, 2022 11:25:04 GMT
I know what you're saying. I am just now building my log store from leftover wood from another project. I am worried about leaving it open to the elements generally, so will be having am overhang on it for sure.
Mine is a lot lower than that as it sits next to a retaining wall which is about 900mm off the ground so I shouldn't be troubled as much by the rain but I was thinking I can put a tarp under the overhang and drape it down if it was needed.
As far as snow goes, yeah bit of an issue but then the overhang should help with that somewhat.
Often the advice online is talking about seasoning your logs as well - drying out the internal moisture which is why the airflow is important. Kiln dried don't need to be seasoned as they are already dry so keeping them that way is more important.
It's a head scratcher. But with a lack of experience I would suggest a tarp to keep rain off and that would help the snow too.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 24, 2022 11:35:31 GMT
I do have an outdoor log store.
The top has a waterproof but not air proof membrane sheet under the wooden slats. The front is covered by a thick plastic sheet with a metal bar attached to the bottom to weight it down and a pair of brackets and a bar on either end to hold it in place. This allows it to have some airflow, but it also keeps out most of the moisture. Obviously, you won't keep all of it out. As long as what gets in isn't staying in there (like say, pooling at the bottom), it should be fine.
Also, it takes a LOT of water to permeate into the centre of the logs, a bit of surface rain shouldn't stop the curing process overall.
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Post by nexus6 on Oct 24, 2022 11:39:07 GMT
Cheers DB, but these logs are kiln dried so no curing needed. I am assuming he's worried that the mould on the logs is rotting them etc.
I have a roll of Tyvek breather membrane that I will use under the timber roof. Won't be suitable for a front piece though and I want to look at my logs dammit!
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Post by dogbot on Oct 24, 2022 11:47:17 GMT
Ah, so even more so, it's unlikely they'll get wet enough stacked for the moisture to permeate entirely, unless they're right in the direction of the rain every time it rains.
But yes, I'd definitely want them covered fully if they're somewhere the rain would hit them when it rains, or the exposed ones might well start to rot and would then need to be separated and dried before stacking again. It's also important how you stack logs, ideally they don't want to be too tightly stacked, so that some air can move around them and dry them out.
Tbh, all our cut logs are in a pile in the centre of the garage/workshop, because it's easier. Mostly, the wood store is where my carpenter neighbour puts all the offcuts he gives us.
I'll take a photo of our cover, might help with some ideas.
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 11:52:35 GMT
Thanks for the advice. I forgot to mention my neighbour's log store is smaller and shorter than mine, but hasn't been affected by the rain at all. Some of his logs even protrude out the front of the store, beyond the roof overhang, but the rain hasn't affected his logs in the slightest!
I'm thinking there might be a slight damp issue in the bottom of my store for whatever reason, but the base is slatted and raised, so water shouldn't be pooling. It's sat on paving slabs, so rising damp shouldn't be an issue, but maybe the wooden frame of the log store itself is absorbing and retaining rainwater, or rainwater is somehow pooling on the paving slabs under the log store (where the sun can't reach it) and slowly evaporating up into the logs and causing general damp conditions.
I think buying a tall log store was possibly a mistake, but I wanted the storage capacity. I may have also stacked / tessellated my bottom row of logs a bit close together without enough gaps, because I wanted a firm base to my log stack.
Edit - Yes my logs are kiln dried so they don't need to be seasoned. As nexus6 said, I'm more worried about mould and rot. I only filled the store with logs just over a month ago. I can't believe I'm having potential mould issues already. The weather's looking a bit drier and warmer this week, so I'll just have to see what happens. I wouldn't want to have to stack all the logs again, but I may have to.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 24, 2022 12:05:22 GMT
Our (covered) store... Even though lots of the wood in there is basically untreated planks, it's still stacked in a rather higgeldy-piggeldy manner, so that air can move around. It's also in direct sunlight any time there is any and it's pretty windy there, too. It seems to work pretty well, tbh. I mostly keep the early burning stuff in there, or stuff that I'll cut up for kindling, the move it into the garage a little while before it's due to be burned and into the house 24 hours or so before I'll need it (so that it's not really cold when it's put onto the fire). darkling is your neighbour's store in the same aspect as yours - does it face the same way to the wind and weather?
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Post by smoothpete on Oct 24, 2022 12:16:09 GMT
Log store 1, from a charity shop. Super heavy.... I know the beams of the lean-to roof are fucked btw. I'll sort it out one day
Log store 2, which I made out of scrap wood from a skip
Watch out for stowaways under the logs! The fuckers wake up when you bring them inside
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 12:30:19 GMT
dogbot My neighbour's log store is the exact same aspect as mine, and mine is even at the bottom of my garden, away from the house, so it faces south and catches the morning / early afternoon sun at this time of year, unlike his. Here's my log store about a month ago: and now it looks like this:
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Post by nexus6 on Oct 24, 2022 12:35:14 GMT
The rain is bouncing up off the slabs and soaking the lower logs
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Post by dogbot on Oct 24, 2022 12:39:27 GMT
darkling that definitely looks like it's getting damp from the bottom. Which is about as annoying as it could be. Hard to say how, though, from the photos. There's no run off from the drain or water butt, I take it? It looks like the floor is dry, too. Although, is that soil on the left side? You probably need to take those bottom ones out and dry them. Ugh.
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Post by richardiox on Oct 24, 2022 12:45:49 GMT
If the rain is flowing down the roof and then affecting the logs could always try a bit of guttering to divert it away.
I store mine in two of those large plastic garden safe things that I think are designed for bikes. There was two in our garden when we moved in and we keep bikes in the shed. They're fully enclosed so the logs can't breathe much but I figure they're all Kiln Dried anyway.
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 12:50:21 GMT
Yes it's hard to say what's causing it. Could be rain bouncing up from the slabs, but then isn't this a problem for all log stores with an open front on hard ground?
I emptied my butt (hehe) at the weekend because it was full and I suspect it was overflowing onto the slabs, but then the ground has been soaked with water for the last week straight due to heavy rain, so I doubt it contributed much.
There is some soil to the side, but it doesn't come into contact with the wood store, even though it looks like it does in the pics. I might dig that soil back a bit anyway.
I'll have to wait for a dry day and remove the logs then, like I suspected, but I don't see how I can prevent it from happening again. I don't really know what mistake I've made.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 24, 2022 12:52:25 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Oct 24, 2022 12:55:28 GMT
It looks like the legs are also soaking up water. I'd go for a weighted sheet like DogBot's...
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Post by nexus6 on Oct 24, 2022 12:56:08 GMT
Yes it's hard to say what's causing it. Could be rain bouncing up from the slabs, but then isn't this a problem for all log stores with an open front on hard ground? I emptied my butt (hehe) at the weekend because it was full and I suspect it was overflowing onto the slabs, but then the ground has been soaked with water for the last week straight due to heavy rain, so I doubt it contributed much. There is some soil to the side, but it doesn't come into contact with the wood store, even though it looks like it does in the pics. I might dig that soil back a bit anyway. I'll have to wait for a dry day and remove the logs then, like I suspected, but I don't see how I can prevent it from happening again. I don't really know what mistake I've made. The actual store itself is wet at the bottom as well, which is another indicator it's rebounding rain. To eliminate the chance it's surface water soaking up the frame (a stretch, as the logs are fairly uniformly west by the looks of it) you could empty the store, get some nice thick plastic sheet and stick it under each leg or area in contact with the ground. My money is still on the rain though. Mine is going on pebbles which should make it a bit less severe.
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 13:03:05 GMT
dogbot Thanks for that, but I've read it before. I think I've read most things online at this point. I read quite a lot before even buying the log store and assembling it. I was careful to leave a gap between my outhouse and log store and, as you say, practically every log store I've ever seen is against a wall, sometimes even attached directly to a wall. And yes, overwhelmingly the advice says to never cover your log store, put doors on it, or use a plastic sheet. I suspect that advice is aimed squarely at people seasoning their own wood though, rather than storing kiln dried logs.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 24, 2022 13:04:17 GMT
And as long as it's not fully tight, having a loose sheet that still allows air to circulate around it should reduce risk of condensation
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 24, 2022 13:09:17 GMT
Is the drainage from the shed thing flowing to the back of the garden behind the log store?
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 13:09:28 GMT
Yes it's hard to say what's causing it. Could be rain bouncing up from the slabs, but then isn't this a problem for all log stores with an open front on hard ground? I emptied my butt (hehe) at the weekend because it was full and I suspect it was overflowing onto the slabs, but then the ground has been soaked with water for the last week straight due to heavy rain, so I doubt it contributed much. There is some soil to the side, but it doesn't come into contact with the wood store, even though it looks like it does in the pics. I might dig that soil back a bit anyway. I'll have to wait for a dry day and remove the logs then, like I suspected, but I don't see how I can prevent it from happening again. I don't really know what mistake I've made. The actual store itself is wet at the bottom as well, which is another indicator it's rebounding rain. To eliminate the chance it's surface water soaking up the frame (a stretch, as the logs are fairly uniformly west by the looks of it) you could empty the store, get some nice thick plastic sheet and stick it under each leg or area in contact with the ground. My money is still on the rain though. Mine is going on pebbles which should make it a bit less severe. Yeah, the entire log store structure was soaked this morning, and it's progressively been drying out all day. I think it's more a case of the legs are simply the last bit to dry, rather than the legs actively soaking up water. Again, isn't this common for any wooden structure, or are these log stores just not fit for purpose? I think I might wrap the legs in plastic sheet anyway though, good shout. My boss told me to get one with legs wrapped in metal, but I couldn't find one for sale anywhere. I'm not relishing the though of unstacking all the logs, but I think I'm inevitably going to have to do it. I could also put it up on bricks.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 24, 2022 13:14:03 GMT
Yeah, was going to ask whether it could also be raised up.
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 13:16:45 GMT
And as long as it's not fully tight, having a loose sheet that still allows air to circulate around it should reduce risk of condensation Yeah I'll probably have to put a loose sheet on the front. I think airflow should remain okay, because the logs are on a raised slatted base, and there's ventilation at the back too. It'll somewhat impact the aesthetic though
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Post by darkling on Oct 24, 2022 13:19:07 GMT
Is the drainage from the shed thing flowing to the back of the garden behind the log store? It normally flows forwards onto the lawn, but I'll have to double check next time it rains heavily and I'm in the house.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 24, 2022 13:24:52 GMT
Is the drainage from the shed thing flowing to the back of the garden behind the log store? It normally flows forwards onto the lawn, but I'll have to double check next time it rains heavily and I'm in the house. I was thinking it might be that because in the photos it looks like the back of the log store isn’t raised very much, maybe it has settled a bit because of all the weight.
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Post by quadfather on Oct 24, 2022 13:25:01 GMT
Shit. I need a log store.
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