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Post by grey_matters on Aug 14, 2023 16:58:37 GMT
Thanks day! We're looking at a 5kW one so right on the cusp. In any event, we want to maintain the airtightness and have designed in a direct air supply for the stove. From another site it seems the airbox is a failsafe device in case the direct supply got blocked somehow. Probably worth it for peace of mind, although I'd imagine it is a rare event (and we have a monoxide alarm permanently wired right beside the stove space).
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Post by geefe on Aug 15, 2023 7:27:37 GMT
This reminds me I got quoted £4000 for one.
£1500 to knock out the chimney £1200 for the flue £1300 for the actual burner
I decided against it
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Post by geefe on Aug 15, 2023 7:29:03 GMT
Oh and the air block thing - I was told just get a lower-rated burner that CAN go hotter with different fuel, as the cost of installing the vent can get silly and also just allows cold air in the house.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 15, 2023 7:53:04 GMT
Why would you want to knock out the chimney?!
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Post by Danno on Aug 15, 2023 8:59:57 GMT
Why would you want to knock out the chimney?! The cunt keeps looking at me funny
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Post by geefe on Aug 15, 2023 9:10:49 GMT
You need a minimum amount of space. Currently my chimney had been plastered up and the opening much smaller.
So they'd have to knock it out, open the space, make good and suited to a log burner, fit a flue and then the burner.
Plus it all has to be done within regs and with a certificate.
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Post by technoish on Aug 15, 2023 12:31:34 GMT
That is a lot for that aspect. I was charged £250 for removal of existing tiny open fire and opening up the space and plaster.
Installation including a new flue and HETAS certification was £700, plus £360 materials, tho.
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Post by Day on Aug 15, 2023 12:56:04 GMT
We're looking at a 5kW one so right on the cusp. In any event, we want to maintain the airtightness and have designed in a direct air supply for the stove. From another site it seems the airbox is a failsafe device in case the direct supply got blocked somehow. Probably worth it for peace of mind, although I'd imagine it is a rare event (and we have a monoxide alarm permanently wired right beside the stove space). Yeah, makes sense the safer option, same here on our build with installing a direct supply to maintain the airtightness and not unbalance the MVHR, although I dont remember reading about airboxes at the time but it was a while back now so I'm a little out of date. We still havent got around to actually installing the MVHR unit yet but everyting else is in place, it's still on the ever growing must finish list... Anyhow, hope yours goes well, all the best!
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Post by geefe on Aug 15, 2023 17:02:35 GMT
That is a lot for that aspect. I was charged £250 for removal of existing tiny open fire and opening up the space and plaster. Installation including a new flue and HETAS certification was £700, plus £360 materials, tho. How long ago was that?
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Post by technoish on Aug 15, 2023 17:54:08 GMT
2020.
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Post by geefe on Aug 16, 2023 10:29:31 GMT
Christ. Yeah I'll shop around then.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 16, 2023 10:32:47 GMT
We found that because there's so much work to go around, they just don't care and will quote outrageously. If someone is daft enough to pay it, happy days.
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Post by geefe on Aug 16, 2023 10:35:57 GMT
Think I'd rather spend it on expensive insulation.
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Post by quadfather on Sept 24, 2023 11:26:23 GMT
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Post by henroben on Nov 10, 2023 15:41:24 GMT
Urgh. That first fire smell after the summer. It must be a combination of dust and soot from having the chimney swept and old ash and I don't know what else. Does everyone else get this or is there some secret way of avoiding it?
Sure it only lasts half an hour or so before it dissipates but could do without it at all really!
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Post by minimatt on Nov 10, 2023 16:09:41 GMT
yup, the kind of smell that makes you double check the batteries in the carbon monoxide alarm
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Post by technoish on Nov 10, 2023 16:28:24 GMT
Never had it.
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Post by SpiralScratch on Nov 10, 2023 17:52:05 GMT
Urgh. That first fire smell after the summer. It must be a combination of dust and soot from having the chimney swept and old ash and I don't know what else. Does everyone else get this or is there some secret way of avoiding it? Sure it only lasts half an hour or so before it dissipates but could do without it at all really! I think it's household dust and spiderwebs and what not burning off, no matter how well you clean the outside of the burner first. Which in my case is a cursory wipe with a duster and fuck it that'll do.
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Post by henroben on Nov 10, 2023 18:00:14 GMT
Urgh. That first fire smell after the summer. It must be a combination of dust and soot from having the chimney swept and old ash and I don't know what else. Does everyone else get this or is there some secret way of avoiding it? Sure it only lasts half an hour or so before it dissipates but could do without it at all really! I think it's household dust and spiderwebs and what not burning off, no matter how well you clean the outside of the burner first. Which in my case is a cursory wipe with a duster and fuck it that'll do. To be fair that's pretty much all I do as well
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 11, 2023 9:22:10 GMT
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Post by darkling on Nov 11, 2023 14:52:59 GMT
Surely the cost comes down to where you source your logs from. For some people it'll effectively be free.
Regardless, living in a draughty Victorian terrace, it's the sustained radiant heat that a wood burner produces that matters, which it continues to radiate until morning.
Central heating just doesn't cut it. As soon as it goes off, you can feel the cold draughts taking over almost immediately, and it seems like an age before the boiler switches back on again, never mind get the living room back up to temperature.
If the government (or The Guardian) want to pay to insulate my home, I'm all for it. Until that day, I wish they'd stop patronising people about their heating methods during a cost of living crisis.
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Post by Dougs on Nov 11, 2023 15:02:03 GMT
Sounds like my house. Still without a wood burner. Grrr.
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Post by quadfather on Nov 11, 2023 15:04:48 GMT
It's like an article a week from them. They're obsessed about it.
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Post by quadfather on Nov 11, 2023 15:06:25 GMT
Urgh. That first fire smell after the summer. It must be a combination of dust and soot from having the chimney swept and old ash and I don't know what else. Does everyone else get this or is there some secret way of avoiding it? Sure it only lasts half an hour or so before it dissipates but could do without it at all really! I think it's household dust and spiderwebs and what not burning off, no matter how well you clean the outside of the burner first. Which in my case is a cursory wipe with a duster and fuck it that'll do. Yeah, it's just the dust burning. An electric fan heater does the same when turned on after a long period of not being in use. Lasts about 2 minutes
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Post by richardiox on Nov 11, 2023 15:23:54 GMT
It's like an article a week from them. They're obsessed about it. Intersectionality of Guardian readers, who own both an electric vehicle and a wood burner generates editorial obsession.
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Post by nexus6 on Nov 11, 2023 15:45:52 GMT
It's like an article a week from them. They're obsessed about it. I think you mentioned the Guardian's obsession a while back and now I'm tuned in to it. You would think a stove is number 1 cancer cause in the country listening to them. Might go suck on a diesel pipe to clear my lungs out after a fire.
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Post by quadfather on Nov 11, 2023 16:18:01 GMT
I know, it's bonkers isn't it
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Post by henroben on Nov 13, 2023 11:52:02 GMT
I think it's household dust and spiderwebs and what not burning off, no matter how well you clean the outside of the burner first. Which in my case is a cursory wipe with a duster and fuck it that'll do. Yeah, it's just the dust burning. An electric fan heater does the same when turned on after a long period of not being in use. Lasts about 2 minutes Think I've worked out what the horrible smell was - a combination of burning off dust etc. after the summer, but I had also chucked on 1/3rd of one of those heat logs I had left over from last year... Chucked another 1/3rd of the same log on last night and the smell returned! Kind of a musty damp smell, that hung around for half an hour or so until the log had burnt away. So mystery solved... looks like those compressed sawdust 'logs' don't take kindly to sitting in the shed for a year!
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Post by snackplissken on Nov 13, 2023 13:20:00 GMT
Surely the cost comes down to where you source your logs from. For some people it'll effectively be free. Regardless, living in a draughty Victorian terrace, it's the sustained radiant heat that a wood burner produces that matters, which it continues to radiate until morning. Central heating just doesn't cut it. As soon as it goes off, you can feel the cold draughts taking over almost immediately, and it seems like an age before the boiler switches back on again, never mind get the living room back up to temperature. If the government (or The Guardian) want to pay to insulate my home, I'm all for it. Until that day, I wish they'd stop patronising people about their heating methods during a cost of living crisis. I must admit that the article does sort of ring some truth. Prices for a kiln dried hardwood builders bag have risen to roughly £120. I've had about 3-4 quotes around the area, and this sounds about right for the price. The problem we have is the house is 1930s with little insulation, and it's open plan to 3 large rooms (2 living rooms and a kitchen, which has a skylight). The log burner is in the front room, which is tiny so we use the in-between living area for TV etc. So yeah I kind of worked out that buying logs is not any cheaper than the central heating.. I blame the previous owner for placing the wood burner in the front room, and having everything open plan.
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Post by technoish on Nov 13, 2023 15:38:34 GMT
Unless maybe the log burner is plumbed in to heat water going into central heating I have never thought it was cheaper than gas, unless you got insane prices on wood. And as the article points out "free" wood is likely to be not environmentally friendly.
I asked my stove shop/installer about chimney filters and they said:
"We did look into the filters and [x] went over to Zurich to meet with a supplier early last year. Unfortunately we didn’t pursue this for several reasons. The main ones being that the performance wasn’t as good as initially thought. Also, the physical size of them made it difficult to install on chimney stacks that we’re used to working on."
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