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Post by dogbot on Feb 1, 2023 18:43:10 GMT
It sounds like you need someone to look at the chimney. Although, having it swept isn't going to help if you think it's overdrawing, as it will almost certain draw more (better) when it's swept. It's possible that it's too wide for the stove, although I would have expected an installer to consider that. Fires are noisy, though, enclosed ones especially so. Ours is cowled, draws properly and still makes all sorts of noises over and above the using crackle and pop of wood. The chimney was checked before we started using it and has been again since. It's just one of those things. All sorts of different bits heat up and cool down during operation and shift about slight, plus the outside conditions are often different. That said, I almost never turn it down to the minimum (or below about 20%) setting unless I'm letting it die once all the fuel is burned. Yeah I had it swept a couple of months back, and after that I'm not able to shut the stove down quite as well as when I first got it, but it's only marginally worse. I expect wood crackles, pops, ticking sounds, even clanks as the metal heats up, but my stove sounds like a gale blowing unless I shut it down 95% of the way. It can't be normal. Oh it's a 5" flue btw. Pretty standard and not very big. I meant the chimney itself, rather than the flue. I don't know what type of house it is. Ime, if the chimney is internal (like in a party wall) they tend to pretty slim as they go upwards, regardless of the size of the opening in the rooms. But exterior ones - especially in older properties with fireplaces that were used for open fires can be quite large, comparatively. Particularly if they are (or were) originally shared by more than one room. Which could potentially explain some of the wind noise but I would have expected the installer to check that. Ours is an old (well, 1870s) cottage with exterior chimneys and when it's windy they can be noticeable. But not usually over the fire (TV, music, YouTube, dog snoring, terrible guitar etc). |
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Post by quadfather on Feb 1, 2023 19:09:07 GMT
Surely that will still be a lot more expensive! Quote seems okish, mine was £3.3k Inc vat, flue liner, opening up fireplace, stove, and slate surrounds and base. Window + insulation is circa £3k, so a grand cheaper. And no fire. Fuck windows. |
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Post by dogbot on Feb 1, 2023 19:12:56 GMT
Fire. Overrated, don't see what all the fuss is about?
6/10
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Post by Dougs on Feb 1, 2023 19:47:23 GMT
What is a fire?
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Post by technoish on Feb 1, 2023 21:54:14 GMT
Our stove is pretty much silent. You can't hear nary a crackle or a pop, let alone wind in the chimney.
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Post by Danno on Feb 2, 2023 8:03:22 GMT
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Post by TheSaint on Feb 2, 2023 8:42:28 GMT
Some aspects of the media are on a bit of a crusade against them at the moment. Although It is crazy that people are still allowed to burn coal.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Feb 2, 2023 8:44:48 GMT
Been eating eggs, so plenty of wind in my chimney.
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Post by minimatt on Feb 2, 2023 9:21:09 GMT
not if we burn the evidence
but yeah, as one halfway along the eco sandal wearing crusty curve, I am a bit embarrassed by their harm. the other dichotomy is adoring the aesthetic, but increasingly loathing the work of lugging two tons of coal, and ~same again in logs from the drive into storage, then lugging that bit by bit into the house, then lugging ~a quarter of that weight back out as ash.
it is a failure of housing policy that that my choices for heating are electric, oil, coal, or wood. it is a failure of housing policy that building standards and housing stock are so poor that electric heat pumps are barely effective
it is a failure of fiscal policy that electric heat pumps are so inaffordable, even if the housing stock was appropriate it is a failure of policing that the oil central heating is non-functional because fucking oil pixies keep nicking the stuff, and did so last time by drilling a hole into a thousand litres of kerosene it is a total failure of government that in the 21st century the cheapest way to heat my home - by far - is to burn magic rocks in the living room like it's the fucking olden days
and I kick back a bit knowing that my smoke goblin hovel is an order of magnitude less polluting than the multi millionaire prime ministers, princes, and kings who own multiple mansions and/or castles, heated stables and swimming pools, and travel everywhere by private jet and helicopter, and how dare they, how fucking dare they lecture me on environmental credentials
ahem. sorry yep, they're bad. but I'd be sorry to see them go because I do love them, but I do recognise they probably need to go. but before that we do need viable alternatives, and we also need an "urgent review of the damage done" by private jets, helicopters, swimming pools, stables, castles etc.
edit: by coal I do mean "solid smokeless fuel", I'm not that much of a monster, but I can't be typing "solid smokeless fuel" out every time, I'm a busy man with places to be and people to see, it's quicker to type "coal", we're charging by the letter here people
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Post by technoish on Feb 2, 2023 9:28:07 GMT
I want to fit a chimney filter that will take out the harmful particles but it's hard to find somebody to do it and also a chimney sweep that can then clean it annually (as need to go up to top).
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Post by darkling on Feb 2, 2023 10:32:37 GMT
Aren't there bigger issues to worry about during a fuel crisis? When the government energy bill support stops soon, I'd like to see councils try to reprimand people for trying to keep warm using more affordable means than gas and electric. Every log burner produces smoke now and again, making this a very grey area to police. I have a modern and extremely efficient stove, plus excess chimney draw driving it, so I doubt this will affect me, but stoves always produce some smoke when lighting and refueling them, meaning any owner could technically be fined. Anyway, I'll wait for the log burner police to show up. |
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Post by quadfather on Feb 2, 2023 10:40:25 GMT
not if we burn the evidence
but yeah, as one halfway along the eco sandal wearing crusty curve, I am a bit embarrassed by their harm. the other dichotomy is adoring the aesthetic, but increasingly loathing the work of lugging two tons of coal, and ~same again in logs from the drive into storage, then lugging that bit by bit into the house, then lugging ~a quarter of that weight back out as ash.
it is a failure of housing policy that that my choices for heating are electric, oil, coal, or wood. it is a failure of housing policy that building standards and housing stock are so poor that electric heat pumps are barely effective
it is a failure of fiscal policy that electric heat pumps are so inaffordable, even if the housing stock was appropriate it is a failure of policing that the oil central heating is non-functional because fucking oil pixies keep nicking the stuff, and did so last time by drilling a hole into a thousand litres of kerosene it is a total failure of government that in the 21st century the cheapest way to heat my home - by far - is to burn magic rocks in the living room like it's the fucking olden days
and I kick back a bit knowing that my smoke goblin hovel is an order of magnitude less polluting than the multi millionaire prime ministers, princes, and kings who own multiple mansions and/or castles, heated stables and swimming pools, and travel everywhere by private jet and helicopter, and how dare they, how fucking dare they lecture me on environmental credentials
ahem. sorry yep, they're bad. but I'd be sorry to see them go because I do love them, but I do recognise they probably need to go. but before that we do need viable alternatives, and we also need an "urgent review of the damage done" by private jets, helicopters, swimming pools, stables, castles etc.
edit: by coal I do mean "solid smokeless fuel", I'm not that much of a monster, but I can't be typing "solid smokeless fuel" out every time, I'm a busy man with places to be and people to see, it's quicker to type "coal", we're charging by the letter here people
Yup, if I lose my multi fuel burner, I would literally freeze to death. Plus, the guardian and the telegraph absolutely love losing their shit over stoves. They've been doing this for years. |
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Post by quadfather on Feb 2, 2023 10:42:15 GMT
Taken from the guardian article -
“It’s therefore important to consider less polluting fuel options to heat your home or cook with, especially if coal or wood is not your primary fuel source.”
Well, it IS my primary heating fuel source - so you can fuck off.
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Post by darkling on Feb 2, 2023 10:51:23 GMT
Yeah I don't think people in rural areas who use stoves as their primary heat source are the target here.
I think it's more people in the cities and suburbs who are probably in a smoke control area anyway.
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Post by quadfather on Feb 2, 2023 10:52:57 GMT
In fact, listen to some of these telegraph article names -
"how the typical British diet is fuelling the risk of cancer"
"Some weeks, I only speak to the postman. How to escape loneliness"
"'Irresponsible' Beano is a menace to childrens health"
Need I go on?
It's just the posh version of the Sun
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Post by quadfather on Feb 2, 2023 10:54:41 GMT
Yeah I don't think people in rural areas who use stoves as their primary heat source are the target here. I think it's more people in the cities and suburbs who are probably in a smoke control area anyway. Yes, I'm in a rural place. They've taken away the 'normal' coal, and now it's just the smokeless ovals, as I call them. Just depends if Manchester's clean air zones extend all the way out to all of greater Manchester, including the peak district villages where I am I guess. |
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Post by TheSaint on Feb 2, 2023 11:31:17 GMT
Plus, the guardian and the telegraph absolutely love losing their shit over stoves. They've been doing this for years. It doesn't mean they don't have a point though. We have a stove and I love using it but I'm also very conscious that when I go for a walk on a cold evening the smell of smoke in the air is pretty strong and that can't be good for people with asthma or other breathing difficulties. |
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Post by quadfather on Feb 2, 2023 11:39:09 GMT
True, and I suppose I'm in a bit of a different area here. It's all trees and rivers etc with fields everywhere. I can imagine it would be pretty congested in a busier place like a town etc.
Then again, if I had asthma, I wouldn't want to live in a town with fuck loads of traffic anyway.
Swings and roundabouts all round.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 2, 2023 12:00:09 GMT
In fact, listen to some of these telegraph article names - "how the typical British diet is fuelling the risk of cancer" "Some weeks, I only speak to the postman. How to escape loneliness" "'Irresponsible' Beano is a menace to childrens health" Need I go on? It's just the posh version of the Sun Come now, I think you're overstating things... It's not even that good. |
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Post by Day on Feb 2, 2023 12:31:30 GMT
A couple of years back we fitted a bioethanol Planika FLA3 XL 790, it’s Wi-Fi-enabled, 15.5 litre capacity and outputs 3-7kw with up to 30h continuous burn depending on the flame height. They don’t need flues although ours is fitted in a double sided walkaround fireplace with a now blocked up flue (we were going to fit a Spartherm Varia). It’s biggest downside is the bioethanol fuel we have been buying isn’t that cheap (~20 litres £70) so you’d not want to use it as the main heating source and despite what they say it does give off a faint smell but could be due to the brand of fuel I guess. Probably not a viable alternative to woodburners unless you can create your own bioethanol though but thought I'd share anyhow.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 2, 2023 12:36:14 GMT
Christ that's pricey! How long does 20l last?
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Post by Day on Feb 2, 2023 12:59:09 GMT
Christ that's pricey! How long does 20l last? Sorry, late reply.. had meter reading person knocking at the front door! I’m not totally sure, as embarrassingly we don’t have it on that much so the 20 litres keeps us easily over a year, but the manual lists it’s 15.5 litre tanks should last 30 hours burn time on the lowest flame setting. Due to the ethanol cost I think they’re probably more for the feature flame aesthetics of them rather than heating the home… although when we installed it, we gave it a proper try and the lowest flame setting did heat our open plan living area quickly, it’s just the down stairs bedrooms got a little colder than we were use to so went back to the central heating being the primary heat source and the Planika as occassional. |
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 2, 2023 13:01:05 GMT
Low hanging fruit as always. Probably alot more polluting sources that could be stopped that are more detrimental to health.
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Post by Vortex on Feb 2, 2023 13:13:58 GMT
Fire. Overrated, don't see what all the fuss is about? 6/10 Controversial. Fire is worse than Halo? |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 2, 2023 13:39:21 GMT
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 2, 2023 13:44:20 GMT
Fire. Overrated, don't see what all the fuss is about? 6/10 Controversial. Fire is worse than Halo? Worse than dead space! |
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Post by grey_matters on Aug 14, 2023 12:16:45 GMT
Shopping around for a wood-burning stove for our new house. One seller mentioned an airbox for our situation (air inlet to stove, heat recovery ventilation existing in house), another seller pooh-poohed that as nonsense. I've never heard of them, any knowledge here?
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Post by quadfather on Aug 14, 2023 13:12:58 GMT
All Greek to me unfortunately
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Post by technoish on Aug 14, 2023 14:59:22 GMT
Does your heat recovery system bring in a supply of fresh air from outside?
If so, not sure why you'd need an extra external air supply for the stove.
You could check the numbers on the air it supplies and compare to the flow needed for the stove.
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Post by Day on Aug 14, 2023 16:19:09 GMT
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