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Post by ozthegweat on Aug 1, 2022 11:57:47 GMT
I have some connection dropouts with some wired devices (XSX, Apple TV, no problems with other devices, neither wired nor wireless). Everything is stuffed into a cupboard, so ethernet and power cables are alle tangled up in each other. I was thinking maybe interference was the problem, so I want to buy some new Ethernet cables.
If I googled correctly, S/STP means very good shielding? Does category really matter, or would 5e be enough in terms of minimizing interference? Cable length is only 0.5-1 metres, and while I don't have any 10GBit devices yet, I would prefer to buy cables that would support that.
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Post by Abarth71 on Aug 1, 2022 12:08:09 GMT
Maybe try untangling everything, separating the ethernet from the power cables before splashing out. EMI can occur when cables are bundled up. CAT6 seems to be best for minimizing interference.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 1, 2022 12:51:03 GMT
Check the ends and give them a little wiggle. A lot of random drops are from a bad port or shitty cable that moves whenever you walk past it/a train goes past/a plane flies over.
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Post by dfunked on Aug 1, 2022 13:38:30 GMT
For that kind of length just regular cat6 will be fine for 10Gb (hell, even 5e should work) Not sure if I'd worry about 10Gb too much now, though. Home kit seems to be moving more towards 2.5Gb these days as the new standard rather than the more expensive and hotter running 10Gb. I'd be surprised if the next consoles use 10Gb over 2.5 for example. Plus you can always just replace the cables if really needed. I'd worry more about cable spec if you're buying it for a proper cable run.
Depending on where you are you might have more luck searching for FTP instead of STP btw.
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Post by deebs on Aug 1, 2022 13:39:25 GMT
Get shielded cable.
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Post by ozthegweat on Aug 1, 2022 18:36:00 GMT
Thanks everybody. I wiggled them many times, to no avail. On Apple TV, it's no problem aside from the error message that shows up, as the dropouts are shorter than the stream cache. But when playing Destiny, it's really annoying. Will get a few Cat6 S/FTP cables, they're available for a few quid.
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Post by sport✅ on Aug 1, 2022 18:38:14 GMT
Could be the cable fans.
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Post by ozthegweat on Aug 1, 2022 20:41:39 GMT
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Post by elstoof on Aug 1, 2022 21:22:45 GMT
Wrap your entire home in tin foil
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Post by ozthegweat on Aug 1, 2022 21:33:42 GMT
Well, why not, I already have a tinfoil hat.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Aug 2, 2022 6:54:41 GMT
Check the RJ45 connections.
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Post by Pay Me Attention on Aug 2, 2022 8:34:07 GMT
Yeah if they're bundled up like that then get cat 6 and above, they have much better shielding than 5e.
Then in addition to better shielding cat 7 and 8 are also wound tighter which gives a better construction and further reduces noise and EM cross talk.
They transfer data at higher speeds which is good for gaming. And better shielding= better and more consistent speed as well.
Something to consider is that 5e especially is kind of obsolete now, if you're buying new cables you might want to consider upgrading despite lower cats being cheap as chips.
Something else to bear in mind is that the cable market is swamped with cheap knock offs, so beware of it says it's cat 7, if it's really cheap it might not be.
I know by the time it really becomes an issue that home WiFi will be so advanced we probably won't need cables, but consider future proofing yourself and buying better ethernet cables. The leap from cat 6 to cat 7 is huge in terms of quality construction and data transfer rate. I have cat 8 cables for gaming, which are a big leap again and very future proof.
But they do get pricey so hey, pick what you're comfortable with. But this isn't like snake oil hdmi cables, the industry standards between cat cables are real and quantitative.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 2, 2022 9:28:13 GMT
I should replace the cables to my switch under the telly. Currently have 2 lengths with a connector (just used what I had lying around rather than but the right length, probably about 7m) but haven't had any issues yet.
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Post by grey_matters on Aug 2, 2022 9:33:40 GMT
What about wiring a house up for data? We're doing a major renovation and have the opportunity to put in whatever kind of data network we want. Is it just a case of 'whatever we can afford'? Or is there a point of diminishing returns? I didn't even knkw there was a cat7 or cat8 so the ignorance level is pretty high.
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Post by dogbot on Aug 2, 2022 10:22:34 GMT
It's worth noting that your cable data rates will only be as good as the switch you use. So if you use a 10Gbe switch, you'll get 10Gb data rates with Cat7 cables (up to 100m). But you'll basically get the same performance as Cat6 if you use a 1Gb switch. And the quality of your switches matters, too. Use the cheapest switches you can buy and it won't much matter how good your cables are. And you're talking into the £200 minimum range for a decently performing 10Gbe switch and more if you want a decent one (eg, not a DLink or whatever cheapo brand is on offer). EG: www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/43686-ubiquiti-usw-flex-xg-cloud/That does 10Gb at a capacity of 62Gbps. You can get cheaper ones, but they won't have the throughput (or the lifespan, most likely).
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Post by ozthegweat on Aug 3, 2022 18:51:01 GMT
Yeah if they're bundled up like that then get cat 6 and above, they have much better shielding than 5e. Then in addition to better shielding cat 7 and 8 are also wound tighter which gives a better construction and further reduces noise and EM cross talk. They transfer data at higher speeds which is good for gaming. And better shielding= better and more consistent speed as well. Something to consider is that 5e especially is kind of obsolete now, if you're buying new cables you might want to consider upgrading despite lower cats being cheap as chips. Something else to bear in mind is that the cable market is swamped with cheap knock offs, so beware of it says it's cat 7, if it's really cheap it might not be. I know by the time it really becomes an issue that home WiFi will be so advanced we probably won't need cables, but consider future proofing yourself and buying better ethernet cables. The leap from cat 6 to cat 7 is huge in terms of quality construction and data transfer rate. I have cat 8 cables for gaming, which are a big leap again and very future proof. But they do get pricey so hey, pick what you're comfortable with. But this isn't like snake oil hdmi cables, the industry standards between cat cables are real and quantitative. Aren't Cat7 cables be very stiff and because of that a pain to use in tight spaces?
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Post by sport✅ on Aug 3, 2022 18:59:33 GMT
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Post by zagibu on Aug 3, 2022 20:46:49 GMT
Aren't Cat7 cables be very stiff and because of that a pain to use in tight spaces? Yes. If you have well-sized tubes without sharp angles, maybe use Cat 7 for future proofing, otherwise Cat 6a will probably work better. Cat 7 is also a pain to terminate on the connectors/sockets.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 8, 2022 13:39:21 GMT
What about wiring a house up for data? We're doing a major renovation and have the opportunity to put in whatever kind of data network we want. Is it just a case of 'whatever we can afford'? Or is there a point of diminishing returns? I didn't even knkw there was a cat7 or cat8 so the ignorance level is pretty high. Depends on the time frame you are looking to future proof and how much of a power user you are likely to be. Cat6e will be fine for quite a while yet as you can send gigabit ethernet 80m comfortably and not much around a house actually needs those sorts of bandwidths. Cat7 isn't that much more expensive so is probably in 'may as well' territory. You only really need bandwidth for the backbone of your network to run between switches. If you really want to be future proofed for the next 10-25+ years (i.e. it's your "forever" home) then I'd consider putting 4 core single mode fibre into any runs exposed by the renovation that will be totally inaccessible afterwards (i.e. under flooring or buried). Just leave it unterminated until you need it as it's the terminating that costs money. This way you can upgrade all the way up to 100Gbps should you ever need it but only have to buy the cable now. Also if the cables are going anywhere that a rodent could theoretically access, get armoured, weatherproof cable.
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Post by grey_matters on Aug 8, 2022 13:44:17 GMT
What about wiring a house up for data? We're doing a major renovation and have the opportunity to put in whatever kind of data network we want. Is it just a case of 'whatever we can afford'? Or is there a point of diminishing returns? I didn't even knkw there was a cat7 or cat8 so the ignorance level is pretty high. Depends on the time frame you are looking to future proof and how much of a power user you are likely to be. Cat6e will be fine for quite a while yet as you can send gigabit ethernet 80m comfortably and not much around a house actually needs those sorts of bandwidths. Cat7 isn't that much more expensive so is probably in 'may as well' territory. You only really need bandwidth for the backbone of your network to run between switches. If you really want to be future proofed for the next 10-25+ years (i.e. it's your "forever" home) then I'd consider putting 4 core single mode fibre into any runs exposed by the renovation that will be totally inaccessible afterwards (i.e. under flooring or buried). Just leave it unterminated until you need it as it's the terminating that costs money. This way you can upgrade all the way up to 100Gbps should you ever need it but only have to buy the cable now. Also if the cables are going anywhere that a rodent could theoretically access, get armoured, weatherproof cable. This is super, thanks. Yeah, it's a forever home and is sucha deep renovation it's like a new build. Love the idea of fibre just sitting there waiting for it's time to shine. I can't think of what could possibly need that in a home but I'm not good at future-guessing.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 8, 2022 23:33:25 GMT
The point someone made about bend radius is fair btw. Well shielded cable is a bit harder to work with. Just needs a bit of planning in your runs though.
Copper cable should be run with at least a small air gap to power, even a cm is much better than nothing. If unavoidable you'd probably still be fine with half decent shielding though.
Fibre doesn't suffer from EMI as it's just light so can safely be ducted alongside power.
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Post by ozthegweat on Feb 12, 2023 11:13:56 GMT
Forgot to post the results: new 6a cables have completely resolved any issues.
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