Bongo Heracles
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 4, 2024 7:54:35 GMT
He's so fucking deranged, that even when I basically agree with him (about governments forcing social media companies to ban posts or posters the government doesn't like, for example) he ruins it by being a cunt about it. Eeeeeeeeeeh..... there are several different angles to this: 1) The things he primarily whines about are governments asking to tone it down on disinformation, race hate and incitement to violence which, honestly, we should have been doing a long, long time ago 2) Generally, if its a government he is afraid of or beholden to he caves without making a fuss even if the posters are likely to imprisoned or killed
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Post by technoish on Sept 4, 2024 8:10:50 GMT
Yeah but Saudi arabia is ruled by high t individuals and women are nowhere to be seen, so it's worth listening to them. (Not their unfathomable wealth)
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 4, 2024 8:14:09 GMT
I can't help but feel he's done a lot of damage to that cause.
Back in the day, when there was a news story about a government trying to force Twitter to remove some posts, it tended to be some despotic regime and some post that was embarrassing to them. And I was on Twitter's side.
Dorsey was from a similar "All speech should be free!" mindset (as are a lot of these tech bro CEOs), but at least even he understood the need to have some kind of moderation and a hint of corporate responsibility.
But Musk's extremist behavior has essentially forced a lot of moderate governments into trying to deal with Twitter, which then gives cover to the despotic ones when they do the same.
It's a lot harder to argue for absolute freedom of speech when he's there amplifying so much harmful content.
It sounds like Telegram and TikTok can be just as bad, but I'm not exposed to those.
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MolarAm🔵
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 4, 2024 8:14:45 GMT
He is 100% a spineless hypocrite. But I don't want any government to use its power to police speech on social media. Even if it's not a dictatorship, that's a power that could very easily be abused.
So yeah, I don't want to be on the side of the fuckwit. But the Brazilian government are not the good guys either.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 4, 2024 8:18:28 GMT
I honestly would argue that its a governments duty to police speech on social media to at least some degree or at the very least ensure there is parity of consequence between doing something online and doing it IRL.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 4, 2024 8:20:57 GMT
He is 100% a spineless hypocrite. But I don't want any government to use its power to police speech on social media. Even if it's not a dictatorship, that's a power that could very easily be abused. So yeah, I don't want to be on the side of the fuckwit. But the Brazilian government are not the good guys either. 20 years ago I'd have been idealistically with you, but these days... Isn't it part of the government's job to police dangerous and illegal things? The problem isn't the power, it's ensuring that the system that uses it is fair and transparent. Of course, if the companies policed themselves properly and took some kind of responsibility for the impact of their product, there wouldn't be as much left for the moderate governments to do.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 4, 2024 8:25:43 GMT
I dunno. I just remember that the Indian government wanted some tweets removed a few years ago, on account of those tweets supporting protests against the government. Twitter said no, and that's exactly what they should have said.
I get wanting to police bad speech. If you could do that in a way that won't enable the suppression of legitimate protest, I'm all for it! But it's a tricky business.
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Post by harrypalmer on Sept 4, 2024 8:26:21 GMT
It's an interesting one. Twitter is a great source of Truth, but, especially since Elon took over, that Truth is increasingly hard to find. Twitter is broken, probably beyond repair, and is increasingly a great wellspring of Untruths. It's completely unreliable, illustrated perfectly by the recent far right hijacking of child murder. Elon is only interested in platforming whatever aligns with his beliefs, and ridiculing to a dangerous degree anything that falls outside of that. So yeah, while I definitely don't think Brazil are necessarily the good guys here, I'm all for firing Twitter into the sun, and it's hard not to be pretty smug about the whole thing. To be honest I'd quite like the EU to make some demands of social media and follow through meaningfully if those demands are not met. I dont think there is much doubt that wiping Twitter would be a net positive.
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Post by minimatt on Sept 4, 2024 8:29:30 GMT
putting a marker down, my bet is he'll be dead within a decade. because he believes that the richest man in the world is the rightful ruler of the world he'll fund some coup attempt - ala Mark Thatcher - in a small country whose government doesn't do as he says and be on the ground just as it fails and be summarily, violently, dealt with by a military junta
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 4, 2024 8:38:18 GMT
The problem is 'free speech absolutism' is dependent on there being basically no bad actors in the chain. In an ideal world, yes, I don't like the idea of what the government telling me what I can and can't say.
But its not just me venting my spleen. Its foreign influences attempting to undermine our society. Its right wing grifters exploiting our kids. Its the cunts who own these platforms exploiting its users. Obviously the like of China and India overstep but does that mean we shouldn't be insisting that twitter doesn't allow its users to advocate burning down mosques?
'No controls on content' is an absolute pipe dream until we live in a Star Trek style utopia.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 4, 2024 8:39:53 GMT
I dunno. I just remember that the Indian government wanted some tweets removed a few years ago, on account of those tweets supporting protests against the government. Twitter said no, and that's exactly what they should have said. I get wanting to police bad speech. If you could do that in a way that won't enable the suppression of legitimate protest, I'm all for it! But it's a tricky business. Yeah, they should have said no. But if the same Indian government had told them to take down some tweet calling for someone to be lynched, then Twitter should have said yes. If they didn't, the Indian government should have taken some action against them. But ideally Twitter would have detected and blocked such a tweet before it even got to that stage. Of course, there's an entire scale from supporting peaceful protest to calling for people to be killed, or other illegal activity, and there is a whole scale of governments. But I can't help but think that if these giant social media platforms had reasonable global policies on what they would tolerate, and policed them effectively, then they'd have a lot firmer ground to stand on when they did deny such a request. Plus the world might be a less shitty place. Not that such systems and policies are easy, as Facebook's flailing and failures have shown. But at least they kinda tried, as did old Twitter, whereas X is just a wild west free for all.
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Post by rftp on Sept 4, 2024 9:35:14 GMT
putting a marker down, my bet is he'll be dead within a decade. because he believes that the richest man in the world is the rightful ruler of the world he'll fund some coup attempt - ala Mark Thatcher - in a small country whose government doesn't do as he says and be on the ground just as it fails and be summarily, violently, dealt with by a military junta I'm ok with this, tbh.
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Post by Lukus on Sept 4, 2024 9:56:01 GMT
At some point he'll either start to believe he can fly on the power of his own farts and plummet to a particularly smelly death, or he'll end up getting neurolinked into a Superman III style monstrosity the tax payer will need to pay to keep alive.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 4, 2024 14:23:36 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 4, 2024 15:39:02 GMT
I see he's put up an AI generated image of Kamala Harris wearing a communist looking outfit with "I can't believe she's worn this!" so that's great, that's a nice sign of where political discourse is gonna go.
Similarly someone made an image of him and Trump kissing while wearing Nazi regalia which has since been flagged, surprise.
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2024 15:45:06 GMT
putting a marker down, my bet is he'll be dead within a decade. because he believes that the richest man in the world is the rightful ruler of the world he'll fund some coup attempt - ala Mark Thatcher - in a small country whose government doesn't do as he says and be on the ground just as it fails and be summarily, violently, dealt with by a military junta I love the notion but like all bullies, he's a fucking coward and won't go near anything that isn't stage managed to within an inch of its life (remember the sink?) let alone anything dangerous. He's an ultimate pussy
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Post by hicksy on Sept 4, 2024 15:47:22 GMT
First time seeing a lot of Cybertrucks in rl while visiting friends in Nashville and omg they are hideous. The fact that people are actively choosing to spend $140k on these metal buckets is nearly as much proof as the Trump superstore on the freeway to the Smoky Mountains that yes a reasonable proportion of Americans are batsh*t crazy lol!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 4, 2024 16:00:03 GMT
I see he's put up an AI generated image of Kamala Harris wearing a communist looking outfit with "I can't believe she's worn this!" so that's great, that's a nice sign of where political discourse is gonna go. Similarly someone made an image of him and Trump kissing while wearing Nazi regalia which has since been flagged, surprise. He's even commented on his like of a Tucker Carlson video that leans heavily into holocaust denial. Great guy.
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2024 16:10:12 GMT
I see he's put up an AI generated image of Kamala Harris wearing a communist looking outfit with "I can't believe she's worn this!" so that's great, that's a nice sign of where political discourse is gonna go. Similarly someone made an image of him and Trump kissing while wearing Nazi regalia which has since been flagged, surprise. He's even commented on his like of a Tucker Carlson video that leans heavily into holocaust denial. Great guy. If anyone other than his cult is in doubt about him being a (pro-apartheid, white supremacist pro eugenics, pro misogyny, ableist) FUCKING NAZI at this point then they need to read about 7 of his tweets
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Post by Lukus on Sept 4, 2024 16:11:08 GMT
But by being autistic he's clearly incapable of being anything other than objective.
*Facepalm*
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2024 16:13:30 GMT
Absolutely cannot choose between him, Netanyahu, Trump and Putin for a horrifically painful, bowel voiding, eye bleeding and very extended embolism (assuming I only get one wish)
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2024 16:14:34 GMT
Actually it's Netanyahu
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2024 16:14:54 GMT
Can I have three more wishes plz
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 4, 2024 16:50:40 GMT
Absolutely cannot choose between him, Netanyahu, Trump and Putin for a horrifically painful, bowel voiding, eye bleeding and very extended embolism (assuming I only get one wish) What's stopping you from naming all four in that one wish though?
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Post by Danno on Sept 4, 2024 16:51:25 GMT
Absolutely cannot choose between him, Netanyahu, Trump and Putin for a horrifically painful, bowel voiding, eye bleeding and very extended embolism (assuming I only get one wish) What's stopping you from naming all four in that one wish though? Genies are bastards as I recall
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 5, 2024 0:14:01 GMT
Can I have three more wishes plz You should have made that wish first!
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Post by Danno on Sept 5, 2024 5:44:39 GMT
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 5, 2024 6:14:29 GMT
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Post by deez on Sept 5, 2024 6:50:35 GMT
Wow - I hadn't realised quite how much a relatively low level user with 'just' 90k followers could earn... They not only enable these people, they effectively employ them.
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Post by tincanrocket on Sept 5, 2024 7:13:24 GMT
The governments of the world very simply need to classify Social Media platforms as broadcasters/publishers who are liable for anything they broadcast or publish. Should have been done ages ago, but will cripple/kill the industry, but in my mind that is a very good outcome and would be a great step in the right direction. edit: and while they're at it, Uber is a taxi company that needs to insure its vehicles etc., AirBnB is a hotel business that should follow hotel regulations etc. etc. etc.
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