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Post by elstoof on Dec 2, 2023 13:24:35 GMT
No car currently available is fully self driving, that’s the holy grail that Tesla and its investors is banking everything on
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 2, 2023 13:24:35 GMT
A whole lotta folks clinging desperately to the promise they’ll crack FSD I've clearly played too much Elite and for a second wondered if SpaceX was going to create the Frame Shift Drive, then realised it was far less interesting.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 2, 2023 13:30:49 GMT
Even if a car was fully self driving, surely drivers would still be required to be behind the wheel in case it fucks up. Right?
It'll probably be a lot easier when it's something that everyone has, but that's a looooooong time away.
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Post by elstoof on Dec 2, 2023 14:09:40 GMT
Well, no, that’s what Fully Self Driving means and why Autopilot is merely a driving assist. The possibility of Tesla being first to market with FSD and therefore monopolising the technology for every car on the planet is why their market cap is as high as it is
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 2, 2023 14:25:25 GMT
But even if they were first to market, would they be able to monopolise it? They were (effectively) first to market with electric cars, but now all the other brands have them.
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Post by elstoof on Dec 2, 2023 14:28:54 GMT
Tesla technologies are open source for that very reason, and if their FSD tech is the only one approved for the road then other manufacturers will have little choice but to licence it. That’s the sales pitch when they need more of your money to actually run the business day to day at least
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Dec 2, 2023 16:30:27 GMT
They weren't first to market with an EV, they were first to market an EV as a high value, aspiration, lifestyle choice option and the issue now is that the car industry have mainly put too much effort into chasing that market. Tesla has zero chance of being first to market with self driving, I doubt self driving will ever be marketable now their over hype, under delivery business strategy has poisoned the public perception of the concept. It's certainly possible and both Honda and Mercedes are way in front of Tesla in the field. But natural scepticism of the concept, re-enforced by Tesla's bogus claims, have probably made it economically none viable to market, even for actual working tech.
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 2, 2023 16:45:08 GMT
I can’t see Tesla being able to monopolise the FSD market. They need to have something better than everyone else, be able to pressure world governments, not just USA, and be at a price others would agree to pay. In top of that the public have to accept FSD which is a long way off even when it works.
Their current value is ridiculous given how few cars they sell and how far they are from FSD. I expect someone else to beat them to that anyway
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Post by elstoof on Dec 2, 2023 16:46:53 GMT
It doesn’t matter how likely they are to do anything, not currently. Vast numbers of people have bought into the promise, it’ll all fall like Lehmann eventually though
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Post by technoish on Dec 2, 2023 17:00:30 GMT
Mercedes Benz is only manufacturer that has level 3 automation cars on market right now, which means you can eat and do other stuff while the driver.
I think the diff between 2 (Tesla) and 3, is that at 3, the manufacturer takes on legal liability for crashes.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Dec 2, 2023 17:26:15 GMT
Meh, I can eat and do other stuff in my Fiesta too.
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 2, 2023 18:08:14 GMT
That automation can only be used below 40mph and on motorways. Even though it’s a big step up, it’s extremely limited.
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Post by cubby on Dec 2, 2023 18:09:07 GMT
Heh, accepting legal liabilities is a non-starter for tesla.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 2, 2023 18:13:08 GMT
Meh, I can eat and do other stuff in my Fiesta too. "Other stuff"...
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Post by askew on Dec 2, 2023 18:36:54 GMT
I think I'd rather trust a computer than hope Barry Shitpeas can wake from his slumber and grab the wheel in case of emergency.
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Post by mothercruncher on Dec 2, 2023 21:20:41 GMT
Come on, who hasn’t bashed one out to JAV porn to jizz up a dull commute to Basingstoke.
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Post by mothercruncher on Dec 2, 2023 21:20:56 GMT
* sorry- “jazz”.
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Post by cubby on Dec 2, 2023 21:24:08 GMT
Jazz porn? There's a scat joke there somewhere
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Post by mothercruncher on Dec 2, 2023 22:11:30 GMT
Sk-bah 👌
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Post by zephro on Dec 2, 2023 22:25:38 GMT
Mercedes Benz is only manufacturer that has level 3 automation cars on market right now, which means you can eat and do other stuff while the driver. I think the diff between 2 (Tesla) and 3, is that at 3, the manufacturer takes on legal liability for crashes. This is the important thing. As even if the technology ever works fully sorting out the legal liability is not simple and the US Libertarian attitude isn't going to fly in the EU, UK etc. Same as LLM they're going to get fucked by all the copyright infringements coming in. Legal stuff moves waaaaay slower than tech.
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Post by technoish on Dec 3, 2023 1:23:13 GMT
Actually it was Germany that allowed it first! Then Nevada as it's the only place with any certification. No other states allow it, I believe.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 3, 2023 2:06:16 GMT
I didn't think Fiesta back seats were big enough for that kind of thing. Sounds rather uncomfortable.
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Post by Danno on Dec 3, 2023 3:11:07 GMT
Almost as bad as the back of a Volkswagen
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Post by Blue_Mike on Dec 3, 2023 8:33:15 GMT
Sounds like everything is going well.
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Post by X201 on Dec 3, 2023 8:42:19 GMT
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Post by Chopsen on Dec 3, 2023 9:15:58 GMT
Tesla stock valuations are a mystery for the modern age. "Everyone" knows they'd over valued, but they continue to be bought and hold by "everyone" as well. People have come up a proper trying to short it.
The valuation as a car company is obviously batshit as the market cap is greater than most of the rest the car industry combined. The valuation isn't justified as a tech stock, either. Tech stocks have high valuations generally from having unique products that have massive global demand in unique ways (Alphabet, Apple) a product that has been definitely shown to work as is hoped to be scaled massively to produce growth (Uber, Netflix) or sometimes both (Nvidia). Tesla is none of these things. Most car manufacturers are doing equivalent products, and could possibly leap frog Tesla due to being in a position of already having the manufacturing and shipping infrastructure in place. The sled driving thing is still speculative and been promised to be just around the corner for years now, and still nothing
IT MAKES NO SENSE.
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Post by hicksy on Dec 3, 2023 9:19:29 GMT
FOMO. It’s the only explanation.
In Musk we Trust.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Dec 3, 2023 9:27:51 GMT
Some of the fanboy replies to this are mad
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Post by gibroon on Dec 3, 2023 10:13:50 GMT
Tesla do have the best chargers, cheaper to make and rarely fail. Did the US not adopt Tesla's charge port as a standard recently?
This will probably keep the money churning in.
The cybertruck won't be making it to the EU for sure due to the safety issues but I don't they made it for that market.
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Post by elstoof on Dec 3, 2023 10:47:24 GMT
Tesla had to open up the connector in order to get the government subsidies, in an ideal world they’d have licenced their monopoly to other EV manufacturers but the libs owned them on that
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