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Post by Lukus on Apr 24, 2024 15:20:35 GMT
Plus it's obvious in time those things will be improved on.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Apr 30, 2024 21:54:14 GMT
But wouldn't that mean the baptism was a more powerful one, because it would have electrolytes?
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 1, 2024 1:56:59 GMT
Gatorade should be ok in a pinch, as long as it's reached a nice simmer.
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Post by Lizard on May 1, 2024 5:00:10 GMT
I would use a 50/50 mix of Tizer and Frijj
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Post by Leolian'sBro on May 1, 2024 5:04:54 GMT
What kind of emergency requires a baptism?
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Post by Lizard on May 1, 2024 5:40:54 GMT
The Rapture?
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Post by hicksy on May 1, 2024 6:14:55 GMT
Everyone needs a bosom for a pillow.
“bap”tism
/coat
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 14, 2024 4:17:32 GMT
If only they could work out a way to make the voice less annoyingly american
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Post by drhickman1983 on May 14, 2024 6:47:23 GMT
I still have a major adverse reaction to the idea of talking to my phone.
Don't care how good it is I don't think I'll ever be comfortable using voice interaction with a virtual assistant.
That's my old man luddite hill.
I'd also rather read it's output than listen to it, I'm a terrible listener to be honest.
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Post by hicksy on May 14, 2024 6:54:46 GMT
Sorry, what was that you said?
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Post by cubby on May 14, 2024 6:54:54 GMT
I'm also a terrible lesson planner.
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Post by sport✅ on May 14, 2024 6:57:22 GMT
Everyone needs a bosom for a pillow. “bap”tism /coat Mines only 45. |
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Post by Fake_Blood on May 14, 2024 7:00:53 GMT
And you guys have the luxury to have a language spoken by a billion people, you should try it in Flemish. We basically have to try and speak Dutch. Although, how does it handle the local accents you guys have?
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Post by hicksy on May 14, 2024 12:41:29 GMT
I agree btw that I also dislike speaking to my phone and Siri can do one until I’m about 80 and claw handed…
My thoughts are is if she listens to you then… what’s she listening to while you are not asking her to? I don’t know who Siri is, where she lives or what her likes or dislikes are… quite frankly she could be anyone although she does have an exotic name so she did get my brief attention.
Maybe I just need to get to know Siri… it’s just if my wife ever found out I’d be in the dog house! That said is Siri even female? Since we’re all not allowed pronouns anymore who the hell knows?
All I know is Simone used to do an excellent job of telling me where to go on my Sat Nav. Then my wife got jealous of me doing what another woman was telling me to do. So now I get to have Simon tell me where I have to turn next. Simon holds my attention less than Simone used to. Simon sometimes pisses me off with his inaccurate suggestions. Occasionally Simon says turn left and I ignore him and just drive straight on. Simone I listened to. I miss her. But I guess that’s alright.
#happywifehappylife
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Post by robthehermit on May 14, 2024 13:24:25 GMT
I quite enjoyed Simone, might have to go back and watch it again. It might even be more relevant today than it was 20 years ago.
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Post by Vandelay on May 14, 2024 13:37:45 GMT
I still have a major adverse reaction to the idea of talking to my phone. Don't care how good it is I don't think I'll ever be comfortable using voice interaction with a virtual assistant. That's my old man luddite hill. I'd also rather read it's output than listen to it, I'm a terrible listener to be honest. I'm the same. Always feels weird. I have been using my phone's voice commands for the alarm recently, but that is the extent of my use of it (it seems to really require me to annunciate "snoooozzze" or it won't react). Some of those features shown in that video do look pretty great. How good it would be in practice outside of the demo environment is another matter, of course. |
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Post by skalpadda on May 14, 2024 13:58:11 GMT
And you guys have the luxury to have a language spoken by a billion people, you should try it in Flemish. We basically have to try and speak Dutch. Although, how does it handle the local accents you guys have? Yeah, I think native English speakers often underestimate what a massive advantage it is, especially compared to small languages. My native Swedish is usually extremely impractical for voice recognition and stuff like machine translation. TTS is generally awful as well. And that's a Germanic language with relatively simple grammar and unusually phonetic orthography.
I interact a fair bit with immigrants learning the language and regularly have to tell them to stop trusting Google Translate and DeepL, because they output absolute garbage much of the time. Don't even try to translate to or from any language other than English, because they route everything via English anyway, leading to Chinese whisper problems on top of everything else. And don't get me started on ChatGPT.
The predictive text in my phone has a terrible dictionary and can't deal with compound words.
We could all use English of course, but that's still a disadvantage. I'm probably in the 99th percentile (and Scandinavians and the Dutch are the best L2 speakers in the world), but I'm not as good at English as I am at Swedish. If it takes more effort for me, it's going to be pretty bad for the average person.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 14, 2024 14:01:43 GMT
I am hoping to use the new chatGPT as a Japanese language partner. Which will hopefully help me learn Japanese just in time for me to no-longer need Japanese because AI translates everything.
Japanese <--> English is pretty darn good now in things like deepL/gTranslate. It used to be awful.
That said, it still sometimes gets thrown off by slang and grammatically incorrect sentences.
Problem is, the more I use them, the less I'm learning. If I translate something I learn nothing and remember nothing.
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Post by skalpadda on May 14, 2024 14:14:31 GMT
ChatGPT can be a very good toy to practice with, but I frequently see people ask it to explain grammar, what words mean, or how they're used in sentences. It will of course just lie to them, because it doesn't actually know anything. Then they ask us natives and when we tell them it's wrong they often start to protest "But ChatGPT told me..." as if we don't know our own language. It's infuriating that people think it's actually intelligent.
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Post by hicksy on May 14, 2024 14:41:58 GMT
We definitely forget the benefits of being native English speakers.
Especially when abroad and other language speakers don't understand us so we deploy LOUDER SLOWER English and that seems to work.
#totallyoblivious
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 14, 2024 14:45:16 GMT
It's not our fault people from Sweden haven't worked out how to speak LOUDER SLOWER Swedish when abroad.
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Post by zagibu on May 14, 2024 14:48:19 GMT
ChatGPT can be a very good toy to practice with, but I frequently see people ask it to explain grammar, what words mean, or how they're used in sentences. It will of course just lie to them, because it doesn't actually know anything. Then they ask us natives and when we tell them it's wrong they often start to protest "But ChatGPT told me..." as if we don't know our own language. It's infuriating that people think it's actually intelligent. Yeah, it's ridiculous that people think it knows things. It's not a god damn knowledge engine. If you try to learn things by asking ChatGPT, you have not understood how it works. |
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Post by robthehermit on May 14, 2024 14:59:51 GMT
According to their website, GPT4 is 82% less likely to respond to requests for disallowed content and 40% more likely to provide accurate information.
The 40% increase in accuracy is a positive development. However, I am curious about the criteria used to determine what is considered disallowed..
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Post by skalpadda on May 14, 2024 15:58:49 GMT
hicksy Then again I've had a fair few English speakers ask how to learn Swedish because they're coming here as tourists for a few weeks or visiting someone. It's nice and respectful and all, but it's fine, just speak English. You're not going to learn a new language better than we speak English after 10 years in school (at minimum), thousands of hours of TV and movies, and the internet. But also people who've been here for years for work/study complaining that they can't learn the language because Swedes don't speak Swedish with them all the time. Especially Americans for some reason. And they get really upset when you tell them that if you've lived here for 8 years and don't speak the language it's because you didn't try. Every random Swede you meet didn't sign up to be your language tutor. (Sorry, but it's a bugbear). Bill in the rain I don't know how well it works for Japanese or if it's even relevant for you, but for me the best way (once I'm intermediate) has been to just read a lot for vocab and listen to audio books, radio, music, watch TV, movies etc. for listening comprehension. You get overwhelming amounts of repetition of common words and expressions. More unusual vocab I'll add to my flashcard deck so I get repetition of them that way. (I use Anki, but anything with an SRS is fine.) I don't care about grammar beyond the basics - it becomes intuitive eventually.
Speaking is harder and needs active practice before you're confident, but the more vocab and grammar you have under your belt the easier it gets. And much less annoying for the people you speak with.
Most importantly it's tolerable, doesn't feel like a chore, and it's a lot easier to remember things you've seen in context, especially if it's a context that's interesting/enjoyable. I try to read and/or listen to something in French every day, and I've started doing the same with Spanish (though my Spanish is still *atrocious*). But you need to get past the very basics first, unless you want to read books for 3-year olds or graded readers for beginners.
(Let's get back to Terminators and our impending doom.)
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 15, 2024 8:32:26 GMT
I feel like this kind of stuff, plus the opposite 'It wasn't me, it was a deepfake!' excuse is going to become so common that it's gonna be a confusing world. www.bbc.com/news/articles/c25rre8ww57o |
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Post by hedben on May 15, 2024 8:38:37 GMT
I naïvely hope that as deepfake videos become more widespread, it reduces the impact of old-fashioned revenge porn - because any victim can just say “fake, that’s not me/my body” even if it is. But it’s troubling that we’re sleepwalking into an era where you basically can’t trust anything you see.
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Post by Dougs on May 15, 2024 13:17:15 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 15, 2024 13:27:38 GMT
As impressive as that is, Ive never seen a use case for these AI assistants other than
What's this?
A lamp
What's this?
A chair
Where am I?
England
What colour is this wall?
Blue
What's this?
Still a lamp
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Post by mrpon on May 15, 2024 13:30:24 GMT
C'mon, do you remember where you saw my glasses is god tier functionality! /lost glasses  |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 15, 2024 13:39:40 GMT
Which is great until you realise you'd need to be wearing a body cam at all times for it to actually work. It would need mic and camera access to be always on, GPS and access to absolutely fucking everything.
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