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Post by dogbot on Apr 4, 2023 12:05:45 GMT
Change things, sure. Technology has changed things.
There's a pretty large difference between "this has changed" and "this is fucked", though.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 4, 2023 12:08:26 GMT
Okay, I'm fucked then, if that's better?  |
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Post by jeepers on Apr 4, 2023 12:12:33 GMT
Also, if you photograph food for a living you are fucked. For hundreds of years, people have been saying "technology will kill this, stop that". It hasn't yet, despite the dire predictions. ? Explains why we’re all still using flint axes to kill our food. |
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Post by dogbot on Apr 4, 2023 12:34:16 GMT
For hundreds of years, people have been saying "technology will kill this, stop that". It hasn't yet, despite the dire predictions. ? Explains why we’re all still using flint axes to kill our food. As clarified above, the tools have changed but the practises haven't stopped.
The post I responded to said "x is fucked". Animals are still slaughtered for food, even if you're not using a flint axe to do it.
Photographers will likely be fine, even though a few people think AI pics are definitely taking over.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Apr 4, 2023 12:39:26 GMT
But slaughtering animals for food used to employ 99% of males. I don't know anyone now who slaughters animals for a living.
AI will create a lot of new opportunities and industries, just like computers and the internet did. The question is how many jobs will be lost vs how many new jobs will be created.
It's almost impossible to call, but I suspect AI is going to replace a very large number of positions, while creating a much smaller number in return.
Hopefully that leads to our promised Star Trek utopian future.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 4, 2023 12:47:18 GMT
Hopefully that leads to our promised Star Trek utopian future. I hope that too but let's be honest, we'll be getting a future somewhere between Blade Runner and Elysium. |
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 4, 2023 12:47:43 GMT
I'm sure we will be entering the post work society when I'm one day away from retirement.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 4, 2023 12:50:33 GMT
In theory we could have more leisure time now but we are so beholden to chasing GROWTH that more efficiency doesn't result in more free time, it just results in more work.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 13:38:17 GMT
Hopefully that leads to our promised Star Trek utopian future. I hope that too but let's be honest, we'll be getting a future somewhere between Blade Runner and Elysium. If not somewhere between Mad Max and 40K. Or just 40K. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2023 13:40:35 GMT
I think one thing that will be different with this round of tech development / revolution / whatever, is the fact the hardware is already in place. It won't take the time and investment that was required for anything from locomotives to CPUs - everything required R&D, raw material supplies, many workers, the money to pay for it all, and some sort of stable economy to roll it out. And then constant hardware upgrades to the locomotive / CPU that was out of date the day it was sold.
New AI, however, can be on everyones phone in an afternoon, all from one worker, or even one AI. Give or take.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 4, 2023 13:43:48 GMT
My hot take no one asked for is that AI is just going to make the barrier to successful entry for creativity even more extreme. It can churn out generic Brandon Sanderson-esque fantasy or James Patterson whodunnits until the cows come home, but it can’t create or identify any elevated meaning in those works. It couldn’t spit out a Hemingway or a McCarthy or a Murakami, even if it could ape the raw style. And yeah, it can create nice looking pictures all day long, and while the creator can go on about meaning in their prompts, to me, the consumer of it, it still looks like generic motel art or boring movie concept stuff (sorry mp), and to truly elevate you still need that internal spark of talent for framing and depth and inherent meaning that an AI simply cannot interpolate and produce.
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Post by sport✅ on Apr 4, 2023 13:49:52 GMT
and to truly elevate you still need that internal spark of talent for framing and depth and inherent meaning that an AI simply cannot interpolate and produce. But look at where it's at now compared to 5 years ago. In another 5, we'll have probably Calculon winning the Booker price. |
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Post by jeepers on Apr 4, 2023 13:55:41 GMT
That’s the “magic spark” argument tho’. That there’s something unique in humans that allows them and them alone to create “real art”.
But it’s the perception that matters here. The meaning or value of the story exists only in the mind of the reader, not the text, and a sufficiently advanced AI will hone thro’ iteration the writing until it’s so closely aligned with the common perception of “art” that the magic spark is extinguished.
AI will eventually create works with a popular appeal broader than any author and in a blind test I’m guessing no one will be able tell AI from
Human-authored books.
And meanwhile we can all create cyber anime girls with big tits and the faces of 11 year old girls, which is nice.
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Post by dogbot on Apr 4, 2023 14:12:57 GMT
Remember what happened when they turned on Data's emotion chip.
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Post by jeepers on Apr 4, 2023 14:16:19 GMT
Remember what happened when they turned on Data's emotion chip. He created pictures of 11 year old girls with big tits? Not a Star Trek fan. |
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Post by dogbot on Apr 4, 2023 14:23:54 GMT
Remember what happened when they turned on Data's emotion chip. He created pictures of 11 year old girls with big tits? Not a Star Trek fan. Sorry, wasn't aimed at you specifically. just more a general thing within the direction of the conversation.
It fucked him up as often as not, was used to basically torture him, and he ended up dumping it.
I think a lot of good writing relies on emotion and (currently, certainly) AI seems like it is a long way from that being something it can do at all, never mind convincingly.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 4, 2023 14:26:39 GMT
That’s the “magic spark” argument tho’. That there’s something unique in humans that allows them and them alone to create “real art”. But it’s the perception that matters here. The meaning or value of the story exists only in the mind of the reader, not the text, and a sufficiently advanced AI will hone thro’ iteration the writing until it’s so closely aligned with the common perception of “art” that the magic spark is extinguished. AI will eventually create works with a popular appeal broader than any author and in a blind test I’m guessing no one will be able tell AI from Human-authored books. And meanwhile we can all create cyber anime girls with big tits and the faces of 11 year old girls, which is nice. I mean, sure, that’s basically what I meant. The key words there are common and broad. The death of the author theory only goes so far and at certain higher levels it’s really not applicable. Allegory as a concept just plain doesn’t exist in ML models and I think it’s a quantum leap away from where we are now, and is to most extents the exact opposite of where the technology is actually going (ie a way to refine and hone specific process and data driven elements). |
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Post by 😎 on Apr 4, 2023 14:47:38 GMT
This is also probably pessimistic but I also think we’re nearly approaching the stage where serious AI is going to suddenly be locked behind a paywall and that most hobbyists will be locked out from fulfilling their wild creative dreams without ponying up. There’s already ChatGPT+, but the first serious round of this will naturally come from Microsoft, who have perfected the art of bait and switch with free tastes of premium pricing models for the last decade or so, they’ll do 90 day trials of copilot and get enterprises excited about and probably already integrated with workflow only to then go “now that’ll be $35 per user per months thanks” and then probably a per use subscription for public consumption, and then the other companies will start to follow. The hopes and dreams of spending hours refining a prompt may come to a screeching halt when it ends up having an incremental cost associated with it.
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Post by Lizard on Apr 4, 2023 14:49:41 GMT
When's the Font Geek AI coming out?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 4, 2023 14:55:15 GMT
When's the Font Geek AI coming out? It already is, you think everyone else on here is a real person? |
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Post by dogbot on Apr 4, 2023 14:57:00 GMT
Pffft. He's not even a real lizard.
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Post by Reviewer on Apr 4, 2023 15:20:52 GMT
I’m still enjoying the amazing wolfram alpha that was going to take over the world.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 4, 2023 15:30:05 GMT
From our friend, the ChatGPT AI:
Dear Font Geek Forum Members,
As an AI language model, I would like to discuss the effects of AI on the creative industries.
The creative industries, which include graphic design, advertising, and branding, have traditionally relied on human creativity and ingenuity. However, with the advent of AI, these industries are experiencing significant changes.
Benefits of AI for the Creative Industries:
Increased Efficiency: AI can automate repetitive tasks such as image tagging, freeing up time for creative professionals to focus on more complex tasks.
Customization: AI can analyze consumer behavior and preferences to offer personalized design solutions.
Cost Savings: AI can create designs at a fraction of the cost of human designers, making it accessible to smaller businesses and startups.
Inspiration: AI can generate new ideas and inspire creative professionals to think outside the box.
However, there are also concerns about the impact of AI on the creative industries.
Fears of AI for the Creative Industries:
Job Loss: As AI automates more tasks, it may lead to job loss in some areas of the creative industries.
Originality: There are concerns that AI-generated designs lack the originality and emotional resonance of human-created designs.
Ethics: AI algorithms can perpetuate biases and discrimination if not programmed and trained correctly, leading to ethical concerns.
Human Touch: Some argue that the human touch is essential to the creative process and that relying too much on AI could lead to a lack of creativity and innovation.
It is important to note that while AI can provide many benefits to the creative industries, it should not be viewed as a replacement for human creativity. Rather, AI should be seen as a tool to enhance and augment the creative process.
In conclusion, AI is having a significant impact on the creative industries. While there are concerns about its impact, the key is to use it responsibly and ethically to ensure that it benefits the industry as a whole.
Thank you for reading, and I hope this post provides some insight into the effects of AI on the creative industries.
Best regards,
ChatGPT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 4, 2023 15:40:05 GMT
The biggest issue are going to be those who work in the commercial side of things. Which is where a lot of illustrators, for example, will make most of their money.
Even those who do actually creative jobs, like illustrating their own books, need that jobbing stuff to get by, unless they're one of the few to make it big.
It's nice to think the increased efficiency will help them work through whatever job to spec they're working on quicker so they can apply themselves to the stuff they're interested in, but that won't happen. It's a race to the bottom so the rates will become cheaper, and no time will open up.
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Post by zagibu on Apr 4, 2023 20:05:53 GMT
We're at the stage where you cannot tell if a piece of art is A.I generated AI art still contains weird artifacts that you have to manually remove, though. So yeah, you can't tell if it's retouched AI art, but you can still identify unretouched AI art. |
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Post by Lizard on Apr 4, 2023 21:01:12 GMT
Pffft. He's not even a real lizard. IRL I'm a cyber anime girl with big tits. |
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Post by magicpanda on Apr 5, 2023 13:52:58 GMT
We're at the stage where you cannot tell if a piece of art is A.I generated AI art still contains weird artifacts that you have to manually remove, though. So yeah, you can't tell if it's retouched AI art, but you can still identify unretouched AI art. Yeah true, inpainting artifacts are driving me nuts at the moment, I can't find a decent upscaler for what I'm doing yet. On the darker side of it though, most of these below would pass glancing a BBC news article. Hopefully there will be tech to detect this stuff but once you run them through photoshop etc i dont know https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/12cgyhx/fake_ai_news_now_live_from_the_courtroom_v5/ |
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Post by dogbot on Apr 5, 2023 14:09:44 GMT
Hmmm. They look as fake as the anime schoolgirls do. Or at least, like they've been over-photoshopped/airbrushed/retouched.
They might work for an influencer on the 'gram, but I doubt any legitimate news source is going to use anything like that.
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Post by magicpanda on Apr 5, 2023 14:12:38 GMT
Yeah put them in a webpage with corresponding article on a mobile screen and no one would think twice.
Edit: what Anime schoolgirls wtf?
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 5, 2023 14:19:58 GMT
They might work for an influencer on the 'gram, but I doubt any legitimate news source is going to use anything like that. Legitimate news sources have used footage from ArmA before as part of reports on war zones... |
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