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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:35 GMT
It's pretty amazing to me that they haven't yet managed to make their worlds free from loading screens. Witcher 3 did it, and that's getting close to a decade old now.
Must be an engine thing?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 14, 2023 11:45:15 GMT
It's all an engine thing
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 14, 2023 11:46:07 GMT
You're an engine thing
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Post by Derblington on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:31 GMT
It's a creaky old engine base and the unpromising scope that they want to hit (that is, ironically, forever compromised by their creaky old engine).
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Post by Derblington on Sept 14, 2023 11:55:27 GMT
This interview is brutal and hilarious. Howard's responses are a joke.
There's probably a direct source out there but the dude's reactions at the start of this made me laugh.
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Post by Duffking on Sept 14, 2023 12:00:56 GMT
In Bethesda's games the world map is essentially a natural glue between everything - Towns, Caves, etc etc are neatly stuck together. In Starfield, it's space that's the glue, except unlike the world map you explore manually and has lots of incidental things that happen there, space is just a fancy fast travel system.
I don't think much of NMS, honestly, but travel could have been handled like that here too. I'd have liked to have had to do more manual flying to get somewhere for the first time, with some actual stuff to find in between, then fast travel in the future.
Though to be honest, I'd rather the game was just smaller and more detailed - a few star systems, but each one packed with stuff.
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Post by Duffking on Sept 14, 2023 12:02:44 GMT
It's pretty amazing to me that they haven't yet managed to make their worlds free from loading screens. Witcher 3 did it, and that's getting close to a decade old now. Must be an engine thing? Only Semi an engine thing: people modded Oblivion and Skyrim both to not require load screens going into towns. But it requires a lot of memory. Why does it need a lot of memory? To Bethesda's credit, these games have a shitload more going on to keep track of at an engine level than something like the Witcher 3 where NPCs aside the world is fairly static, which massively increases the memory needed. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 14, 2023 12:04:15 GMT
The constant pausing and interrupting is just annoying Original |
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Post by Duffking on Sept 14, 2023 12:15:19 GMT
There has to be a better way to do world building by the way in this game. Everyone should be looking at my character like a fucking dumbass when he's like "wHaTs ThE UnItEd CoLoNiEs"
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Post by Derblington on Sept 14, 2023 12:33:59 GMT
There has to be a better way to do world building by the way in this game. Everyone should be looking at my character like a fucking dumbass when he's like "wHaTs ThE UnItEd CoLoNiEs" The museum handles this really well, but you do have to go and spend time clicking and watching. |
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Post by dfunked on Sept 14, 2023 13:01:49 GMT
Yeah, just did the UC museum and it's a pretty great intro to the world. Wish I'd done it sooner, as a lot of stuff would've made more sense at the time.
The ship combat sim looks like it'll be handy for getting my pilot level up too.
I had another of those "no, seriously... who are these guys?" moment on the deep cover mission too.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 14, 2023 13:06:18 GMT
Performance on my 3080 appears to have got noticeably worse after installing one of these updates. From a google it sounds like the recent Nvidia driver is to blame rather than Bethesda. Anyone else having the same issues? |
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Post by britesparc on Sept 14, 2023 13:18:40 GMT
Agree that the game railroads you into feeling like an idiot because you're essentially visiting the UN and saying, "So where's New York?"
But I encountered two even more immersion-breaking moments in my last playthrough. In a shop on Neon, I was chatting to one of the owners, who was supposedly whispering conspiratorially about her husband - "don't tell him I said that" - as he was looming across half the screen, having essentially stepped "through" my character during the dialogue. Then, a bit later, I ended up in a firefight in a bar, killing basically everyone including the bar staff. I went outside and back in, and the bartender had miraculously come back to life, didn't remember me shotgunning them in the abdomen, and was merrily polishing glasses and serving a customer whilst all manner of detritus - not to mention half-a-dozen corpses - lay scattered around the room.
I love this game.
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Post by hicksy on Sept 14, 2023 13:22:18 GMT
3/5… for when you just don’t have the option to give a 7/10?
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 14, 2023 13:48:20 GMT
Performance on my 3080 appears to have got noticeably worse after installing one of these updates. From a google it sounds like the recent Nvidia driver is to blame rather than Bethesda. Anyone else having the same issues? Hmm. I think it might be the PureDark DLSS mod (free version) causing the issues. Have removed it and seems smoother. Going to give this one a try instead as they released an update yesterday post patch: www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/761?tab=description |
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 14, 2023 14:22:19 GMT
Performance on my 3080 appears to have got noticeably worse after installing one of these updates. From a google it sounds like the recent Nvidia driver is to blame rather than Bethesda. Anyone else having the same issues? the driver has had some ReBAR changes and after the driver has been updated, a starfield ReBAR profile is apparently OTA'd. Do you have ReBAR enabled and is your 3080 updated to support? Edit, this might be a reach but worth pointing out as some 30 series cards didn't originally come with it and needed a firmware update to add it in |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 14, 2023 14:29:51 GMT
Performance on my 3080 appears to have got noticeably worse after installing one of these updates. From a google it sounds like the recent Nvidia driver is to blame rather than Bethesda. Anyone else having the same issues?
I haven't noticed any appreciable difference at all. Out of curiosity, are you using Windows 10 or 11?
For reference though, this is what I'm playing with:
And this is what the game defaulted to on first boot, which I haven't felt the need to change as performance has been great:
I looked at what GeForce Experience recommends after the driver update, and it reckons for Optimal settings, I should knock Shadow Quality down from Ultra to Medium, and Render Resolution Scale down from 100 to 80, but I don't really see the need to do either of those things as I'm quite satisfied with the way it's performed so far.
Script Extender is updated to the new patch. Some other mods will need updating for compatibility.
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Post by aubergine on Sept 14, 2023 14:39:22 GMT
It's pretty amazing to me that they haven't yet managed to make their worlds free from loading screens. Witcher 3 did it, and that's getting close to a decade old now. Must be an engine thing? Witcher 3 did it by having bodies and dropped loot turn into little bags that aren’t affected by any physics whatsoever. Bethesda’s potato hoarders mean more to them than story, performance, animation, than anything. |
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 14, 2023 15:08:42 GMT
Performance on my 3080 appears to have got noticeably worse after installing one of these updates. From a google it sounds like the recent Nvidia driver is to blame rather than Bethesda. Anyone else having the same issues? the driver has had some ReBAR changes and after the driver has been updated, a starfield ReBAR profile is apparently OTA'd. Do you have ReBAR enabled and is your 3080 updated to support? Edit, this might be a reach but worth pointing out as some 30 series cards didn't originally come with it and needed a firmware update to add it in It could be this thanks, as I have a Founder's Edition 3080 and never performed any sort of manual vBios update. Will do so now. |
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Post by apollo on Sept 14, 2023 15:22:01 GMT
I do like the loot puddle, saves grinding for resources etc. read there is another one on the same planet by the gun store. I wouldn't be surpised if you can loot high level foes just by same method
Was reading through the Eurogamer review and its pretty much spot on (have not said that about a EG review in a while) The "shaking with rage " in the comment section is extra entertainment, cry more
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 14, 2023 15:35:05 GMT
Performance on my 3080 appears to have got noticeably worse after installing one of these updates. From a google it sounds like the recent Nvidia driver is to blame rather than Bethesda. Anyone else having the same issues?
I haven't noticed any appreciable difference at all. Out of curiosity, are you using Windows 10 or 11?
For reference though, this is what I'm playing with:
And this is what the game defaulted to on first boot, which I haven't felt the need to change as performance has been great:
I looked at what GeForce Experience recommends after the driver update, and it reckons for Optimal settings, I should knock Shadow Quality down from Ultra to Medium, and Render Resolution Scale down from 100 to 80, but I don't really see the need to do either of those things as I'm quite satisfied with the way it's performed so far.
Script Extender is updated to the new patch. Some other mods will need updating for compatibility.
Thanks. My system is similar except AMD CPU 5600x and Win11. Settings are a bit lower than yours actually. I run at UHD but with 67% DLSS scaling so same target res as you, but I have dropped a few things to High or Medium based on performance guides. Already had everything I need for resizeable BAR except for the vBios. Have now applied the update and I don't think it's made much of a difference. Perhaps a bit better but not as smooth as 48hrs ago. Admittedly I haven't got a decent way of overlaying FPS so this is all pretty subjective. Previously it all felt extremely stable and fluid (via moonlight streaming and playing on controller) everywhere except some outdoor areas of New Atlantis which were still basically fine, but not completely smooth. If I had to guess I'd have said I was getting locked 60 before. Now I seem to be getting frame dips down to what feels like 30fps more regularly. The bar area on The Key is where I'm noticing it at present which is odd as it's not even an especially complex scene. ![]() |
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 14, 2023 15:45:59 GMT
Hmm one thing that has changed is that I can now actually disable V-Sync in game. Not sure if you recall but I posted on here how every attempt to turn it off resulted in an instant crash to desktop.
Maybe whatever was causing that bug was actually forcing V-Sync off even though the UI said it was on? With it off it feels much as it did previously.
What on-screen frame counters do people use these days?
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 14, 2023 15:55:08 GMT
MSI afterburner is what I use. Seems to work just fine
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 14, 2023 18:37:30 GMT
That EG Starfield review might have more comments than every other article this year combined.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 14, 2023 18:47:34 GMT
Most people seem to really agree with the review. Tbh I think Chris Tapsell is probably the best reviewer they have right now.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 14, 2023 19:01:23 GMT
Aye, probably helps that the review came so late when people have actually had a chance to play it and realise it's not the second coming of Christ. If that review had dropped at the review embargo it would've been hilarious. Just did the grunt work quest. Rather than setting up turrets or whatever you have the option of doing, I just went outside and picked a fight with the shittymorph. I'd already come across one before on another planet and realised that a pea shooter legendary elemental eon absolutely rips through their health. 30% damage to aliens and incendiary + random elemental. It just tickles them at first until the flames kick in and their health bar disappears. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 14, 2023 19:05:16 GMT
Aye, probably helps that the review came so late when people have actually had a chance to play it and realise it's not the second coming of Christ. If that review had dropped at the review embargo it would've been hilarious. Just did the grunt work quest. Rather than setting up turrets or whatever you have the option of doing, I just went outside and picked a fight with the shittymorph. I'd already come across one before on another planet and realised that a pea shooter legendary elemental eon absolutely rips through their health. 30% damage to aliens and incendiary + random elemental. It just tickles them at first until the flames kick in and their health bar disappears. I waited for it on the roof and it was annihilated by all the guns before it got close to me. I fired 1 shot just to feel like I helped. |
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Post by ned on Sept 14, 2023 20:05:21 GMT
Unfortunately the space setting concept took away the roaming a seamless map thing, which is huge part of the magic of their games for a lot of people..
I can accept it had to be done in a game set across the stars, and try not to hold it against Starfield as not sure what else they could have done given the setting. But they haven’t really made up for that by making the space exploration part of the game invigorating or interesting.
I just hope they don’t try to do the procedure biomes in the next TES. It’s got to the be an open map. I worry they might try too do a ‘go anywhere in Tamriel’ approach and copy the SF planets thing
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 15, 2023 6:45:45 GMT
They don’t appear to play anyone else’s games so it’s entirely possible they’ll think they’ve hit on a hot new gaming concept- loading levels.
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Post by britesparc on Sept 15, 2023 8:31:33 GMT
 So hot. |
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