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Post by Frog on Sept 2, 2023 17:25:51 GMT
I still stand by it's being objectively better, just with the caveat of having fast travel for those that want it. Seamless transitions are better than load screens.
I do have the game on 2 different platforms, Im just too heavily into bg3 to even entertain the idea of an early unlock.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 2, 2023 17:32:07 GMT
Yeah, I'm partly just arguing for the sake of it I think. I haven't got Starfield to play so I need something to pass the time
Borderlands 3 has you selecting destinations from a list then going to the drop pod in the cargo hold, then loading straight onto the planet
It sounds similar to that and can't say it ever once bothered me or felt like it impacted my enjoyment of the game
I am a fan of immersiveness in games though
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 2, 2023 17:47:49 GMT
I mix it up a bit. Mostly I just fast travel from wherever I am, but occasionally I'll select take off/land or whatever.
Got myself a nice new ship and armour set that most people seem to be gunning straight for. I'm pleased to say I found it organically as I'm staying away from anything that says "Go here for epic looootz!!!!", but it is actually fairly easy.
Also, several hours in, I have discovered that the Grendels are awesome guns.
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Post by hedben on Sept 2, 2023 18:07:08 GMT
I’ve gone Grendels for mid range, Maelstrom with scope for long range, axe for up close. Each assigned to a different compass point on the quick select, with healing on the bottom.
Only just arrived at Jemison - Atlantis, now to see what all this Constellation nonsense is all about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 18:34:43 GMT
Yeah, I'm partly just arguing for the sake of it I think. I haven't got Starfield to play so I need something to pass the time Borderlands 3 has you selecting destinations from a list then going to the drop pod in the cargo hold, then loading straight onto the planet It sounds similar to that and can't say it ever once bothered me or felt like it impacted my enjoyment of the game I am a fan of immersiveness in games though I don’t mind choosing a destination by a galaxy map or menu screen. When I say I like space opera games, I mean I enjoy landing on a planet and exploring and adventuring there, then moving onto the next. I don’t need to actually captain the ship and spend 20 minutes flying through space then landing on a planet. I don’t need my space RPGs to also be Elite Dangerous. That said, I kind of see phattso’s argument about preferring how the Jedi games handle it. I don’t care, personally, but those games in essence are doing the same “choose a destination, load into it” sequence Starfield is, but those games mask the loading by doing it in-engine, in the ship’s cockpit, so it gives the illusion of flying there, which a simple black screen or loading screen doesn’t. |
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Post by zagibu on Sept 2, 2023 18:38:59 GMT
Hello Games was justifiably torn apart for overpromising when the game launched, but look at it now, they have made good on all the promises.
But Starfield will never allow you to just explore without transitions. They overpromised and will never deliver that.
Does it matter? Nah. Skyrim in Space will still satisfy 99% of the player base.
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 2, 2023 18:58:19 GMT
Definitely agree they took creative license with the promises, again. Fly to anywhere on 1000 planets! A lot of them are empty, but go anywhere! Well, as long by anywhere you understand we mean select places bordered by invisible walls. And about that fly part, loading screens are flying, right?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 2, 2023 19:03:06 GMT
Yeah, I'm partly just arguing for the sake of it I think. I haven't got Starfield to play so I need something to pass the time Borderlands 3 has you selecting destinations from a list then going to the drop pod in the cargo hold, then loading straight onto the planet It sounds similar to that and can't say it ever once bothered me or felt like it impacted my enjoyment of the game I am a fan of immersiveness in games though I don’t mind choosing a destination by a galaxy map or menu screen. When I say I like space opera games, I mean I enjoy landing on a planet and exploring and adventuring there, then moving onto the next. I don’t need to actually captain the ship and spend 20 minutes flying through space then landing on a planet. I don’t need my space RPGs to also be Elite Dangerous. That said, I kind of see phattso’s argument about preferring how the Jedi games handle it. I don’t care, personally, but those games in essence are doing the same “choose a destination, load into it” sequence Starfield is, but those games mask the loading by doing it in-engine, in the ship’s cockpit, so it gives the illusion of flying there, which a simple black screen or loading screen doesn’t. Fairs enoughs
I think it's just Phattso's forthright posting style (nothing against him personally) that triggers my argumentative side. I'm sure we recently had a disagreement in another thread
It's 'the game is a swing and miss for MS who need to do better as one of their tentpole releases' etc
But other than being disappointed with some parts of it, he's still playing and enjoying it. It reviewed really well and some people posting here really love it. Seems like a success to me
It was crap transitioning between areas in Fallout with loading screens instead of opening and walking through doors like most games manage. It felt ancient even then but that's just how it is. It's not something that I really thought much about when playing it
I'm not sure I really consider Bethesda RPGs to be particularly immersive anyway. There's a decent atmosphere when you're wandering around in the wastes but your imagination does a lot of the heavy lifting. A lot of stuff is just a text box popping up on a screen saying 'Disarm trap (25 Repair Skill) Yes / No'
I'm not expecting a huge leap from Starfield
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Post by Phattso on Sept 2, 2023 19:21:25 GMT
Whatever you say. It’s a swing and a miss for me. It’s a 7/10 game that I’d happily wait and pick up for £20 in a sale. It’s not a game I’m going to pay a tenner a month for access to once my cheapo GP sub expires. Starfield: one conversation. GP: what my comment was aimed at. It’s the biggest first party release in two years. It has not met my expectations. If this is the quality bar for GP, I’m out. Forza might yet rescue it.  |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 2, 2023 19:26:07 GMT
I don't want to argue anymore. I love you Phattso
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 2, 2023 19:27:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2023 19:29:00 GMT
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 2, 2023 19:29:55 GMT
Hi mothercruncher o/
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 2, 2023 19:37:41 GMT
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 2, 2023 19:43:21 GMT
mothercruncher quoting shows your WHAT post had an image attached, but it doesn't seem to be showing up on mobile or desktop view...
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Post by hicksy on Sept 2, 2023 19:51:05 GMT
Delighted how good performance is on Series S (and it looks great!)
It’s not grabbed me yet at 5hrs in (and currently exploring New Atlantis) but there is already plenty to like and I’m sure once regular questing is underway I’ll be hooked…
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Post by askew on Sept 2, 2023 19:51:40 GMT
Found my jet pack. I had left it at home, 16 light years away.
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Post by Mark1412 on Sept 2, 2023 19:57:39 GMT
Wallet, keys, phone, jetpack. Amateur.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 2, 2023 22:05:26 GMT
My light-fingered activities got me pinched on Cydonia, and instead of throwing me in the clink, the UC co-erced me into doing some work for them. They confiscated my lovely stolen sniper rifle, and I am genuinely feeling the loss of it.
Got my first Epic loot drop shortly after though, although it's a Maelstrom with pretty low DPS.
Got myself lung damage on Mars while exterminating some heat leeches, which are currently my least favourite creature so far. According to the status effect screen, my prognosis is POOR, although I'm pretty sure one tube of what looks suspiciously like rebranded thermal paste will sort that out.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 2, 2023 22:13:55 GMT
I watched quite a good YouTube beginners tips guide and the dude said he strongly recommends sticking with the main quest for a while as it acts as a bit of a tutorial and explains the systems. So I'm trying to do that now, although I keep getting distracted. It's beginning to dawn on me just how much there is to do.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 2, 2023 22:14:41 GMT
Remember to only used a pea sized amount.
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Post by Phattso on Sept 2, 2023 22:16:49 GMT
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 2, 2023 22:32:06 GMT
The bartender on Cydonia says he's been serving drinks there for 40 years, so I can only imagine he started working there when he was about 3.
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Post by richyroo on Sept 2, 2023 23:34:21 GMT
Fuck me, another 6 hrs straight tonight, can't put the bloody thing down.
Got to experience more ship combat, discovered the equivalent of ships V.A.T.S and disabled an enemy ship. Boarded it and had a fight in zero G, it was awesome stuff.
This game is so much more than just 'Fallout in Space', there are a lot more gameplay mechanics and systems in this to uncover.
The dialogue is much more plentiful and meaningful, party members get involved in the conversations.
Even simple things like docking your ship is awesome. I love the cutscene that plays, its so cinematic and realistic. I knew they were trying to ground this game in reality, like the TV series The Expanse, and they totally nailed it.
Most of the people I see complaining are talking about the graphics or the loading screens, but they totally fail to recognise all the great things that elevate this game past Bethesdas previous efforts.
Already cannot wait to drop back in tomorrow.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 3, 2023 1:32:28 GMT
I don't really care about the graphics and loading screens and such, their games usually look nice enough. (and I think "immersion" is overrated too)
My issue is more that the games are poorly written, which is not something you can fix with tech. Now that other games are managing to do big open worlds and also maintain a good standard of writing, I suspect that this isn't going to hold up for me.
But I drunkenly purchased a month of PC Game Pass last night, so I will be giving it an honest chance in a few days. Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised!
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Post by ekz on Sept 3, 2023 1:51:35 GMT
I'm hoping the lack of having paid $170 hanging over my head makes me enjoy it more when it 'actually' releases and I'm only down $11.
Frame rate on a r5 5600 & rtx 2060 @1080p medium was pretty terrible, though. I expect the DLSS mod to do a fair bit of heavy lifting as FSR2 did sweet fuck all.
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Post by anthonyuk on Sept 3, 2023 2:32:16 GMT
It's doesn't make the game worse for me personally, but when you drop lines like you can "explore the stars" and "explore with unparalleled freedom" on the games own website when Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous exist, people adjust their expectations accordingly.
You've had Bethesda and Microsoft working away for the best part of a decade, so I don't think people are wrong for feeling a little hoodwinked.
Personally, I think it looks great and I usually can't click with Bethesda stuff at all.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 3, 2023 2:53:28 GMT
I guess I understand that feeling. But Bethesda have been overegging their game systems for as long as I can remember, so at this point I just assume they're being a bit loose with the truth.
Also, Star Citizen especially is very impressive as a tech/sim thing, but it's barely even a game at all. Even with my trepidations about Starfield I'd still choose it over Star Citizen any day of the week.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 3, 2023 6:19:17 GMT
Yeah I really feel like anyone who is aware of Star Citizen (for all its qualities and faults) should have had realistic expectations for this.
Those guys have demonstrated just how hard it is to do mega ambitious actual second life in space stuff. No way was any of that advanced tech running on a Series S.
I do agree it's a pity that they didn't do a destiny style travelling/loading screen rather than fade to black but it's very minor complaint for me. I don't feel cheated like some. Overall t's basically what I expected except less broken on release than I feared.
I would also agree the quality of writing (at least in terms of character dialogue) is fairly average thus far, but again it's early days.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 3, 2023 6:24:14 GMT
A thing that I am finding annoying: variations on characters abruptly shouting 'GOODBYE!' when you end every conversation.
Ok fine if it's a shopkeeper or something, but if it's my follower and we're the only two people for thousands of miles and are living in a confined space on a tiny ship, it makes them sound absolutely mental.
Dude, I'm just going over to the other side of the room not leaving you forever. Calm down.
Classic Bethesda of course but it's 2023.
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