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Post by richardiox on Sept 2, 2024 15:55:39 GMT
I'm amazed that LOTR fans aren't enjoying this.
Despite being a book-wanker, I care-not whether this show is faithful to the lore, I just want an enjoyable epic popcorn romp based in the LOTR mythology and setting. Which I think ROP delivers in spades. Perhaps I just have low standards!
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Post by malek86 on Sept 2, 2024 17:08:54 GMT
just finished episode 3. I think there's potential for something fun coming up. The show is best when dealing with grand plans such as Sauron's schemes, the fate of the Dwarves or Numenor's politics. Whereas I simply can't bring myself to care about Isildur's adventures, Galadriel's inner turmoil and what have you. They seem so disconnected from the plot at large, much like Aragorn and Arwen's subplot in LOTR.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 2, 2024 21:41:11 GMT
Seems to me that Galadriel could have saved herself a lot of trouble if she'd said to the elf smith "Hey, best not help out my human friend if he ever comes back, on account of him actually being the Dark Lord Sauron", instead of being all vague about it.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 3, 2024 6:20:31 GMT
Are they not allowed to call him Gandalf? Is that the reason for all the vagueness? They can. Seems they simply want to try and keep fans guessing or at least tell themselves the fans are. But if they now make another character Gandalf it will just look like it's been done for shock value.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 3, 2024 6:34:54 GMT
I don't really care whether he is Gandalf or he is Saruman or anyone else, as long as they actually start *doing* something with him. Anything really, other than wandering around wordlessly confused and occasionally doing accidental magic for another season.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Sept 3, 2024 7:43:35 GMT
Question for the book wankers: is Celembrimbor considered the titular "Lord of the Rings", as Annatar less than sublty labeled him? I'd always assumed it referred to whomsoever was the bearer/wearer.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 3, 2024 7:48:39 GMT
I thought Sauron was the Lord of the Rings
Sounds like them just doing more of that 'we're so clever, we stuck in an obvious reference to the books/movies!' thing.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 3, 2024 7:48:58 GMT
Afaik that title has always been in reference to Sauron. He's just saying it here as a very subtle wink to the audience about the title of the show.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 3, 2024 8:00:10 GMT
I guess this could be a spoiler if you haven't seen the movies or weren't really paying attention when you watched them, and I guess it's the basic (obvious) plot of this entire show, but basically: Sauron used his oh-so sneaky wiles to learn the art of ringmaking from the Elves, and then made all the rings, which he gave to men/dwarves so he could control them. He had the Master Ring, making him the Lord of the Rings. But he never actually touched the 3 Elven ones, so they were outside his power (yet still related so they fade once the Master Ring is destroyed).
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Post by malek86 on Sept 3, 2024 8:02:27 GMT
Question for the book wankers: is Celembrimbor considered the titular "Lord of the Rings", as Annatar less than sublty labeled him? I'd always assumed it referred to whomsoever was the bearer/wearer. It's always been just Sauron. At one point later in the book, after they manage to destroy the ring and everyone is celebrating, Merry calls Frodo "the Lord of the Ring" in jest, and Gandalf chews him out because that term was only ever used to refer to Sauron.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Sept 3, 2024 17:07:23 GMT
Thanks all, that makes a lot more sense.
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Post by malek86 on Sept 5, 2024 19:49:13 GMT
The fourth episode was pretty painful, really. At least there was some decent action too.
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Post by minimatt on Sept 5, 2024 21:15:07 GMT
yeah the major benefit of the first 3 episodes over the 1st series was a lower hobbit quotient, and now we get more fucking hobitses
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Post by Danno on Sept 5, 2024 22:27:38 GMT
Oh Jesus fucking Christ, JUST FUCKING SAY THAT HE'S GANDALF Bezos is probably rich enough to withstand the copyright lawsuit. Anything to avoid dumbshit Aldi hobbits doing guessing games. What nah, he might be Radagast at any moment
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 6, 2024 1:12:37 GMT
Ok... I might give it another episode, but I think I might be done with this show. It's so dull and slow to me, and even weird shit like Tom Bombadil has been flattened into some guy who gives advice to Gandalf like Yoda.
I don't even hate it enough to hate-watch it. I just don't give a shit, which is honestly even worse.
Happy watching to the people who are clicking with it, though!
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Post by 😎 on Sept 6, 2024 2:26:42 GMT
I hate it if that helps, I don’t think I’ve had such a visceral dislike of a piece of media since Ready Player Two. It’s the anti-Tolkien, determined to throw in mystery for the sake of mystery, alter lore for absolutely no real reason (even beyond the thin “only the appendices” excuse they have), make a world that is as close to binary good and evil as you’re likely to find into moralizing shades of grey (and not even good shades of grey, just intermittent “maybe Sauron has a point, maybe the orcs are the victims here” lazy bullshit), and make wildly weird explanations of things that don’t need to be explained. I’m hate watching it but even I have a limit.
Half expecting an episode this season be devoted to the backstory of Tom Bombadil, with a big twist that he’s Sauron’s brother or something stupid.
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Post by malek86 on Sept 6, 2024 5:33:32 GMT
Would be kind of a neat twist if it turned out that the Stranger and the bad wizard are actually the two Blue Wizards that Tolkien never could make up his mind about. They were supposed to be in the east after all. But it would also be a twist that would have small consequences to the world at large.
Meanwhile, I hate that they turned the Barrow-downs into an action scene, and Tom Bombadil into someone basically tasked with saving Middle Earth. Oh and I still have no idea what exactly Isildur and the elf guy are doing. What's their importance to the story? I must have missed it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Sept 6, 2024 6:27:33 GMT
If the story they're trying to tell (assuming it doesn't get cancelled first) is basically leading up to the prologue for the LotR movies, then that could actually be a pretty cool story. But they'll need to do some pretty massive time skips as it takes place over 100s of years and needs to cover the founding and construction of several empires and cities.
But also they seem to be focusing on the wrong characters. Elendil and Isildur need to be front and center. The entire wizard/hobbits thing is just a distraction. Infact half of the first series was distractions. Even Gladriel, despite the elves being tricked into making the 3 rings being a major plot point.
I feel like the first series would have worked much better if we'd known who the bad guy was much earlier, and been able to appreciate how he manipulated well-meaning but oblivious characters to achieve his ends. It'd have given the first season some kind of direction, which it absolutely didn't have. Instead they sacrificed that in the name of one cool twist moment.
Though I wonder if the story they're trying to tell is just too big to work as a show. Things that sound cool in an appendix "And then he founded the fortress of xxx and raised many armies" are going to be too long to depict in a show, but skipping them is going to make it feel very disjointed.
*shrug* not started Season 2 yet
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Post by Lukus on Sept 6, 2024 9:12:14 GMT
I just don't think I can bring myself to watch this. I ended up really disliking season one for all the reasons thoroughly laid out in this thread previously. From all the reviews I've seen of season two it sounds like it hasn't learnt a thing about how not to be shit. So it seems like it would be a poor decision on my part to put myself through another however many hours of tedium and irritation, just because I really want it to be good.
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Post by wunty on Sept 6, 2024 10:21:39 GMT
Lukus Same. I keep putting it off. I even asked the boy the other night if he wanted to watch it and he just laughed. Even though my expectations will be at rock bottom I know somehow I'll still be disappointed.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 6, 2024 12:18:40 GMT
Yeah, I don’t think I’m going to bother starting it. I’d only be watching it for the sake of it and it’s obviously not going to reach a satisfying conclusion either through cancellation or just terrible writing.
‘Hello, 18 year old Bongo. In 2024 there will be a Lord of the rings show that cost a billion pounds and you won’t be able to summon the enthusiasm to watch a minute of it’
‘Gtfooh’
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Post by wunty on Sept 6, 2024 12:26:45 GMT
The other thing is that I don't want to contribute to the ratings of something so obviously shite any more than I have done.
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Post by gamingdave on Sept 6, 2024 12:53:58 GMT
I'm much the same. Whilst the first season had it's moments, it had far too many faults and it was a disappointment overall. I said I would only watch the second season if it got dramatically improved reviews (both press and here) but that doesn't seem the case, so looks like I won't be watching any more.
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Post by Lukus on Sept 6, 2024 12:56:02 GMT
Apparently only about 35% of the initial audience saw it through to the end. I'm not sure how that drop off compares to other big budget shows, but it doesn't sound good.
I'm guessing their initial audience for season two has probably taken a dip as well.
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Post by Lukus on Sept 6, 2024 12:56:26 GMT
T R A C K I N G R A C K I N G
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 6, 2024 12:56:54 GMT
If they killed the hobbit characters I'd be more interested.
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Post by f00b_inc on Sept 6, 2024 13:01:47 GMT
Similar levels of ambivalence to others above.
I went back and watched the last episode of season 1 last night as I couldn't be arsed to finish it when it came out. Thought that might entice me into watching season 2 but I don't think I can be bothered. I think I'm probably the target audience too.
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Post by richardiox on Sept 6, 2024 14:00:59 GMT
I am honestly still amazed that fans of LOTR aren't loving (or at least semi-liking) all this extra Middle Earth visual spectacle and story. Id never suggest it's a classic TV series but anyone put off by the pervasive view in this thread, I'd recommend putting some popcorn in the microwave and giving it a watch.
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Post by myk on Sept 6, 2024 14:08:19 GMT
I think the fact it's a prequel harms it so much - you know what's going to happen so you get frustrated its taking so long to get there. And the stuff filling time just isn't interesting.
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Post by Lukus on Sept 6, 2024 14:28:40 GMT
I am honestly still amazed that fans of LOTR aren't loving (or at least semi-liking) all this extra Middle Earth visual spectacle and story. Id never suggest it's a classic TV series but anyone put off by the pervasive view in this thread, I'd recommend putting some popcorn in the microwave and giving it a watch. Isn't that the same argument people who like the Phantom Menace come out with?
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