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Post by Leolian'sBro on Oct 22, 2022 16:24:29 GMT
I bet back across the sea the Valar are screwing lightbulbs into two trees ready for season 2.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 22, 2022 17:20:32 GMT
Just been on an odyssey to London and the girl pointed out that the only characters on the copious amounts of advertising for this are the barlog that’s in it for literally three seconds and the witches, who are probably the most visually striking things in the series but also absolutely useless fuckwits with about three minutes of screen time.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 22, 2022 19:05:29 GMT
The most withering put down I recently saw was saying this is to LotR as Kevin J Anderson is to Dune.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 22, 2022 20:05:31 GMT
If you say so
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Post by Lukus on Oct 22, 2022 20:23:18 GMT
It feels a bit design by committee to me. But the panel is a bit predictable and self satisfied.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 22, 2022 22:10:47 GMT
I’m not one for sticking fastidiously to the lore or objecting to breaking canon in service of making a good adaptation. A books a book and a tv show is a big tv show. That really doesn’t bother me.
What bothered me is that it’s just not very good. I don’t care if Gandalf arrived in the wrong timeline, I care that one of the central plots was ‘is this person who is very obviously Gandalf actually Gandalf?’ and it took eight episodes to resolve.
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Post by simple on Oct 22, 2022 23:25:44 GMT
Or is he?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 22, 2022 23:47:28 GMT
I do. I think it makes a change from all the negativity. I mean, it's cool if you liked it. I sort of did, in places. But the "negativity" is just people expressing their real opinions about a bit of art, it doesn't (or shouldn't) affect you either way. I like all kinds of things that other people don't!
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Post by 😎 on Oct 23, 2022 2:52:18 GMT
It’s coming off as very “only the TRUE fans appreciate it” though.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 23, 2022 6:05:51 GMT
Started watching this last night.
It's fine. Bit slow moving, but I don't think it's the shit show some folks are claiming.
It's also not a classic or must see. 7/10 kind of stuff.
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Post by Syrette on Oct 23, 2022 8:27:19 GMT
The general take of forumites on here seems pretty reflective of the general reception this has received,from what I can tell.
Some love it, most like it, a vocal large minority (fairly) don't like it.
My personal take on it is that it's solid. A 7/10 in most places, with a handful of episodes in 8/10 territory.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 23, 2022 9:19:40 GMT
I suppose it also suffered from hype backlash. Being the most expensive series ever made, based on one of the most famous stories of this era, people obviously expected more than a "decent if you don't think too much about it" show.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 23, 2022 9:43:47 GMT
Probably not on here (although maybe, I wasn't around), but it's worth remembering that many of those screeching the loudest about how awful it was were also the folk who claimed that the Last Jedi "ruined their childhood". 😁
It's not enough to just like or dislike something for lots of people shouting on the internet nowadays. There has to be outrage. That said, if you don't agree, it's more than easy enough to ignore, even for the "journalists" who are making a nice living stoking the flakes. Ahem.
Tbh, I thought it was mostly OK. The episode after the Mount Doom eruption was genuinely terrible and boring and bits of the rest were dull, but there were a couple of genuinely good episodes and it set the scene for whatever comes next nicely enough.
You're welcome to disagree, but I won't fight you over it.
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Post by Lukus on Oct 23, 2022 9:55:38 GMT
I'd a lot of goodwill for it at the beginning, but after the third or fourth episode I found it just wasn't very entertaining or engaging, I didn't find any of the characters compelling (aside from the dwarf/elf bromance) and it was aping a lot of themes and dynamics we've seen already, but in a less enjoyable way.
I really, really wanted it to be good. Which is part of the problem in terms of my own enjoyment, expectations being too high almost guaranteeing it would be a disappointment in comparison.
Oh well, I'll still watch the next season. It might suddenly correct a lot of things it did badly. Game of Thrones took a little while to really get going.
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Post by lew on Oct 23, 2022 10:24:44 GMT
I got up to mid episode 5 before shit canning it off. It's that dull it's actually made me want to get The Hobbit trilogy in 4k.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 23, 2022 10:56:51 GMT
I wouldn't call it shit. It just seemed mostly very dull to me. I liked the lighter moments, which is why I probably enjoyed the Harfoots more than many and I quite enjoyed the elfboy and the dwarf (future band name) pairing. I didn't really care much about what was going on the whole time though.
It likely didn't help that I watched the first episode very jetlagged and could barely keep my eyes open during it. It took me a few episodes to really get up to speed with what was going on after that and I did start enjoying it more after that. I also expect I would have enjoyed it much more if I had of waited until all the episodes were out and watched it over a week or two instead of only 1 episode a week.
Besides being a bit dull, my only real complaint was just how small everything felt.
I did find the final episode fairly enjoyable, although didn't care much about the actual ring making. Found myself not really apying any attention to that.
I will probably try and watch it again before season 2. I've been meaning to do the same with The Witcher though and never got around to it.
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Post by simple on Oct 23, 2022 11:18:49 GMT
My friends and colleagues who’ve talking about it have only had good things to say. So its obviously got an audience. I enjoyed it too. I didn’t mind the slow pace either.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 23, 2022 11:33:24 GMT
One of its problems, and I think gremmi touched on it, is that it’s a prequel to the movies, not the book, so they tilted it towards ‘what would fans of the movies like?’.
It gives it a very LOTREU vibe and means lots of ‘how Han Solo got his chance cubes’ moments which nobody really gives a shit about. It’s trying to tell the origin story of everything we saw in the films rather than be it’s own thing.
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Post by Lukus on Oct 25, 2022 22:08:17 GMT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 26, 2022 8:00:23 GMT
Watched the entire thing.
I really don't think it was bad. It was flawed, too slow and a bit designed-by-committee, but I really can't say it was bad. It was fine, and I think some of the characters were quite well realised.
I stand by my 7/10 rating.
I say that a somebody who is more of a fan of the films than the actual original novels.
I mean, on balance I probably enjoyed it about as much the Witcher show, and more than the last few Game of Thrones seasons. Haven't watched House of the Dragon yet but it's not substantially worse than most TV fantasy. Nor is it substantially better.
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Post by Lukus on Oct 26, 2022 8:16:27 GMT
Great value for money then
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Post by cristar on Oct 26, 2022 8:19:58 GMT
Yeah last season of GOT was pretty damn crap, but it was must watch TV just because it was the end and everyone needed to see how it ended (badly).
This was just too boring. I could feel myself falling asleep during the 3 episodes I watched, so binned it off after 3.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 26, 2022 8:31:47 GMT
Great value for money then Yeah, I'm not sure where the money went exactly. It did look better than most TV productions, I guess. Shows that there's no correlation between throwing money at something and the end result.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 26, 2022 8:33:43 GMT
I also didn't mind the end of Game of Thrones as much as most, as I'd accepted the decline in quality at least a few seasons prior so I really wasn't surprised. I'd rate the last season of GoT a 5/10 overall.
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2022 18:47:40 GMT
Spinning in his grave
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Oct 29, 2022 18:14:45 GMT
‘It’s been twenty years since Peter Jackson took us to Middle Earth, and ten years since we all asked to leave’ 😂 youtu.be/g3DuMiplGHU
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Post by rammy18 on Dec 29, 2022 12:40:00 GMT
Bit late to the party, mainly because i never really took to the first six films - and my word, you need to really take to them to get through the running times - but I really enjoyed this series. Astonished by the production values, in that you mainly see the budget spunked on a couple of large set pieces (one of which must be ep1) and then there’s a noticeable drop off (looking at you GoT’s) but they really kept it up here. That said I think they’d have gained something with a touch more investment in the cast, performances were mostly fine but a couple more heavy hitters wouldn’t have gone amiss. 8/10 for me Clive
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 30, 2022 5:22:04 GMT
I'm up to Episode 3 and it's ok. I'm enjoying it well enough, and it's nice to be back in middle earth, but it feels strangely paced and disjointed, and I can't say I really care about any of the main characters yet.
I love the movies, so I don't mind long slower paced LotR, but they really could have cut about 10 minutes off of each episode without any hassle. I don't find myself finishing one episode and immediately wanting to start the next one like I do with a lot of shows.
Has some beautiful shots (and a few cheesy ones).
It feels like we're 3 episodes in and there isn't really any clear goal or momentum or any real link between the 3/4 main threads. Maybe things will get moving now Adar is around.
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Post by darkling on Dec 30, 2022 9:12:47 GMT
It feels like we're 3 episodes in and there isn't really any clear goal or momentum or any real link between the 3/4 main threads. Maybe things will get moving now Adar is around. I suppose Galadriel's goal is to kill Sauron, and her character flaw (that she must overcome) is that she's angry about it, and she lacks inner peace. This was poorly established though, and she's not a very sympathetic protagonist. I don't feel invested in any of the characters' struggles due to general poor characterisation. I also found the story to be plodding and unfocused. The score is by far the best thing about it.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 30, 2022 9:24:19 GMT
The problem is that (a) it's apparently been her goal for hundreds of years, and (b) they've spent hundreds of years searching for sauron while he's just hanging out in the southlands.
I'm also not totally clear on the timescales, because Grumpy Aragorn is apparently fleeing from orcs ravaging the southlands, but the elves don't seem to know about it.
There are moments where the score and the visuals takes me back to LotR though, and that's nice.
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