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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 17, 2022 19:46:05 GMT
Like I said on the last page, she should have been any old elf. I suppose it goes back to ‘you’d be better off not knowing anything’ because it is hard to reconcile her with basically any other mention of her in any other text.
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Post by Lukus on Oct 17, 2022 20:22:54 GMT
I thought Galadriel was pretty shit. It's not interesting watching someone with one facial expression throughout an entire series. She smiled on a horse one time, son That was a cum face, not a smile
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Oct 17, 2022 22:14:39 GMT
OK for all you oldies I really think Pharazôn looks like Dickie Davis. There I said it.
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Post by bichii on Oct 17, 2022 22:30:27 GMT
Why bother with Halbrand? Why not have him as Annatar from the start? From what I've read it is to do with copyright. Amazon/new line only have the rights to lotr and what's in the return of the king appendices. Annatar is only named so in the Silmarillion. I really enjoyed it. Plenty there to complain about but overall I'm happy having a big budget series in middle earth.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 17, 2022 22:40:15 GMT
Well, the name Annatar isn’t mentioned, but what he does certainly is, and it’s kind of weird that they turned Sauron from basically-a-walking-god-seducing-the-elves into a cheeky Eastenders chappie. Because now they’ve implied about using Annatar in later seasons, even though they’ve already done a half-assed take on it.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2022 22:18:08 GMT
Why didn’t Amazon just buy all the rights?
Also I loved it, gone right to the top of my favourite current shows list. I’m easily pleased though
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Post by 😎 on Oct 18, 2022 22:27:13 GMT
Because the Tolkien estate explicitly won’t sell the rights to Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales etc. They will only sell the rights to LotR and The Hobbit, and let people bargain for individual characters from the other works, but not give anyone a full pass for the lot.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 18, 2022 22:37:39 GMT
The decision to sell some random bullshit definitely paid off vis a vis protecting Tolkien’s legacy.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 18, 2022 22:54:24 GMT
It must be great for the writing process to have lawyers vetting every plot, name, and line of dialogue.
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Post by simple on Oct 18, 2022 23:22:02 GMT
Especially when you’re a first time showrunner trying to give Hank Scorpio his own personal GoT
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Post by simple on Oct 21, 2022 11:50:58 GMT
It’ll be interesting since (broadly speaking) it’ll be three and half seasons of Sauron winning before the Last Alliance eventually comes around
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Post by jeepers on Oct 21, 2022 11:51:50 GMT
Sauron will demonstrate his power by burning down a small portion of a hamlet, killing a cow and one goat in the process.
Epic story, told epically.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Oct 21, 2022 11:56:31 GMT
So Annatar is going to be in later seasons?
What, are they just going to kill off Halbrand then, all while mugging for the camera and going with ‘totes dead guys, this time, mid season kill off yeah SAURON IS GONE but here’s this other new character who’d really like a quick go in your forge if that’s ok Celebrimbor…’
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 21, 2022 11:56:50 GMT
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Post by quadfather on Oct 21, 2022 12:01:01 GMT
It's pretty clear it's divisive, otherwise this thread wouldn't be the way it is.
I really wanted to enjoy it, but there's simply no magic. It's DULL.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Oct 21, 2022 12:01:51 GMT
In fact, I’m going to call it here first: Gandalf makes the Shire for the Harfoots so they aren’t in danger and don’t have to migrate again.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 21, 2022 12:09:01 GMT
In fact, I’m going to call it here first: Gandalf makes the Shire for the Harfoots so they aren’t in danger and don’t have to migrate again. I'm sorry... who?
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Oct 21, 2022 12:09:09 GMT
Yes I know who Annatar is, it just beggars belief that they wanted to tell the story of the Lord of the Rings in the second age, without having the rights to anything the Lord of the Rings did in the second age. From his name on down.
Can they show the Fall of Numenor, either? Don’t think so.
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Post by wunty on Oct 21, 2022 12:24:17 GMT
It's pretty clear it's divisive, otherwise this thread wouldn't be the way it is. I really wanted to enjoy it, but there's simply no magic. It's DULL. That's exactly it. It's just fucking dull. Every fucking episode I kept nodding off, because nothing was fucking well happening. The stuff, when it did happen, made so little sense that I ended up not giving a fuck and nodding off anyway.
The more I think of it, the more I'm just so deflated at how inept it was.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 21, 2022 12:49:06 GMT
In fact, I’m going to call it here first: Gandalf makes the Shire for the Harfoots so they aren’t in danger and don’t have to migrate again. I reckon it’s probably the last we see of them for a while. It was weird, though. The place they hung out for the last 20 minutes looked like the shire. I completely expected them to just say ‘we are going to hang out here for a bit’ and then the next time we see them, it’s a village.
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Post by dasbooter on Oct 21, 2022 13:08:53 GMT
Maybe they'll be the community that eventually spawn Smeagol
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Post by 😎 on Oct 21, 2022 13:34:24 GMT
That Forbes article nails my feelings on it all. They had a perfectly good storyline baked into their rights that they could have run with and fleshed out the gaps, instead they gave us a butchered vague approximation of it like they got their information from a Korean copy they ran through Google Translate a couple of times.
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Post by wunty on Oct 21, 2022 13:39:40 GMT
Yeah. Same here. It’s quite incredible that every single aspect was completely fucked up.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 21, 2022 13:47:13 GMT
I keep reading completely contradictory things from the showrunners, which doesn’t help. In one interview they said they tried to keep things as vague and hidden as possible because viewers being ahead of the characters is problematic, but then also claim that if you guessed Halbrand was Sauron the moment he appeared you’ll still have a good time.
Also this sentence on what they learned from this season for s2 and beyond had me rolling my eyes:
“They readily admit, for instance, that some of the first-season episodes lack the urgency fans expect from Tolkien adaptations.”
Yes, that’s definitely a hallmark of Tolkien’s works - urgency.
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Post by simple on Oct 21, 2022 14:58:54 GMT
If they wanted to go full Mystery Box they’d kill Halbrand off leave it a week then have a mysterious unnamed character rock up with some presents the episode after that
But who could this giver of presents be?! Tune in next week for all to be revealed!
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Post by malek86 on Oct 22, 2022 15:34:50 GMT
What if something is in the appendices but also in the Silmarillion, are they allowed to use it? I'm guessing they can't.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 22, 2022 15:36:23 GMT
Yeah, they can. The Silmarillion has everything in the appendices (or at least the second age parts worth adapting), just hugely fleshed out.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 22, 2022 15:44:08 GMT
Yeah, they can. The Silmarillion has everything in the appendices (or at least the second age parts worth adapting), just hugely fleshed out. So wait, what exactly is it that they cannot use? For example people mentioned that they can't say the name Gandalf, but I'm pretty sure Gandalf was mentioned in the appendices too, so what's up with that?
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Post by 😎 on Oct 22, 2022 15:46:44 GMT
I think they can say Gandalf, they’re just choosing not to because they’re rolling on the “but who is it reaaaaaally” mystery. They can also bargain for individual rights for names and locations from Silmarillion, just not the entire thing.
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Post by wunty on Oct 22, 2022 16:02:50 GMT
What I like is that we spent nearly 8 episodes focusing on a key that was a sword that was a key to a dam, wondering who a bearded man that fell from the sky was, witnessing the forced banter between an elf and a dwarf and following a cheeky chappy and his elf girlfriend piss about on an island where there was also an idiot teenager who wanted to sail then didn't then did. I'm so glad that the hours were spent on that rather than the whole forging of the rings of power, which they had the good sense to cram into the last 20 minutes of the last episode.
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