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Post by malek86 on Oct 1, 2022 5:22:35 GMT
On a side note, anyone with half a brain would have checked the content of the bundle before celebrating or even doing anything else.
Or before that, you'd expect a combat-experienced elf not to trust that they were fighting the entire army rather than just a scouting party. I think this show, like so many others, wants to rely too much on cliffhangers and surprises, even when they are either extremely predictable or make no sense in context.
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Post by jp on Oct 1, 2022 5:38:10 GMT
It's enjoyable though there was some teleportation going on. I'm not sure why all this activity centres on a three building Village. Are there not hundreds of villages that make up the Southlands It's very contained. This is what I’m struggling with the most, otherwise I’m enjoying it and that last episode was definitely the best since the opener. At least the whole “there’s only one village in the south lands” thing is presumably going to be less jarring now that the land has turned into rubble and smoke
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 1, 2022 5:47:18 GMT
Did they ever specify what the weird hilt Macguffin thing was, or lay out exactly what it was supposed to do? Was the keyhole thingy previously established?
I feel like I must have missed a scene or something, because everyone was saying "WE CAN'T LET THE GUY ESCAPE WITH THE THING" without ever really saying why.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 1, 2022 5:57:46 GMT
Did they ever specify what the weird hilt Macguffin thing was, or lay out exactly what it was supposed to do? Was the keyhole thingy previously established? I feel like I must have missed a scene or something, because everyone was saying "WE CAN'T LET THE GUY ESCAPE WITH THE THING" without ever really saying why. I remember a scene where Arondir sees the stone wall and realizes that it must be something really bad. No idea if he knew anything about it in particular. And tbf, the only people who decided it was too dangerous were Arondir, Bronwyn (who trusts him implicitly) and the son. Galadriel only goes after the guy after she's told that he was holding something dangerous (and being told by the only elf around those parts, she should be more willing to trust him). The other people in the tavern didn't know where it was, or perhaps even that Adar was looking for it, so they had no choice but to get killed. This still begs the question of who even made that in the first place. Also, I hope that is magical fire that is somehow not scorching hot, because I don't think anyone would survive the pyroclastic flow and they can't just kill all the main characters already. (on the other hand, it's possible that the remaining two episodes will focus on Elrond and the Stranger, while the season will just end with this cliffhanger, so it might be a while before we know)
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Post by technoish on Oct 1, 2022 7:39:29 GMT
Nah they can't have killed isildur and galadriel!
Arondil calles it a key in the last episode.
I was shouting at the telly for them to check the bundle, it was so obvious!!!
I enjoyed the episode, clumsy bits aside.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 1, 2022 9:05:35 GMT
Just to be sure, this series doesn't have anything to do with the LOTR and Hobbit movies, right? Aside from obviously borrowing the aesthetics because that's what people have come to expect, I guess they are free to do their own thing. That could explain why Adar could be an Uruk and still look like an elf (whereas the movies established that Uruks are artificial creatures and look nothing like elves). Or why none of the dwarves resemble the hot boy band members from Thorin's pals, not even the young ones.
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Post by mothercruncher on Oct 1, 2022 9:25:15 GMT
My goodness, scriptwriters need to retire the Oh, They’re About To Get Stabbed! Oh, Someone Saved Them At The Last Second! trope.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 1, 2022 9:43:59 GMT
I'm a bit 'rousing pre-battle speech'-ed out after that.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 1, 2022 11:08:56 GMT
I don't know how anyone could have been inspired by that.
Also, it feels like the orc army would be pretty easy to just keep running from. They don't seem to use horses, they don't move during the day, they're stupid and fall into traps easily.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 1, 2022 13:21:11 GMT
Just to be sure, this series doesn't have anything to do with the LOTR and Hobbit movies, right? Aside from obviously borrowing the aesthetics because that's what people have come to expect, I guess they are free to do their own thing. That could explain why Adar could be an Uruk and still look like an elf (whereas the movies established that Uruks are artificial creatures and look nothing like elves). Or why none of the dwarves resemble the hot boy band members from Thorin's pals, not even the young ones. Uruk is just black speech for Orc, so he could just be being a traditionalist for the most part. Uruk-hai are a specific breed of Orc by Saruman. The movie LotR explicitly states that Orcs were created from Elves, but this isn’t something directly from the books (originally they were carved from stone, but then later it’s hinted at a different origin, in that they’re called a “mockery” of Elves. That said, there is some mention of Elves being kidnapped and changed while Tolkien was still toying with the idea of Eru being the only power able to create life, contradicting the stone origin, but then wrote an essay contradicting that too saying Orcs were always around) so that’s a pretty strong movie connection, even though Rings of Power is standalone. tl;dr, origins of Orcs are never really clarified in the Legendarium, and in typical Tolkien fashion can be argued either way depending on what footnote you interpret.
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Post by simple on Oct 1, 2022 14:52:59 GMT
I think in a legal and intellectual property sense this series has nothing to do with the continuity of the films (despite them very clearly being composed almost entirely of visual and audio references, to the point where it seems more like the films than the Hobbit was)
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Post by 😎 on Oct 1, 2022 15:11:23 GMT
Well, yeah, otherwise they’d have legal disclaimers and credits abound. From an IP perspective they have the rights to the main books and appendices from Lord of the Rings, which I get puts them in an awkward place narratively (nothing from Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales, History or Middle Earth etc), but they’ve definitely leant in to the movie interpretation of a lot of things.
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Post by MysteryLamb on Oct 1, 2022 21:26:09 GMT
I can't shake the feeling this was written by an astonishingly intelligent 12 year old.
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Post by jimnastics on Oct 2, 2022 7:09:36 GMT
I really enjoyed that. It wasn't the greatest of starts and felt a bit clichéd but the last part was great. It's the birth of Khaazadooooom ffs. Awesome! /may not be canon You mean Mordor and Mount Doom , right? Or did I miss something? (entirely possible)
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Post by quadfather on Oct 2, 2022 12:58:40 GMT
Is number 5 any good before I try it? I've found the last 4 very slow
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Post by jeepers on Oct 2, 2022 16:26:13 GMT
Is number 5 any good before I try it? I've found the last 4 very slow There’s a speech and a bit where they fight some orcs and some people on horses and some neat civil engineering and a big volcano that goes KABLAM. And Galadriel looks really cross all the time but she does rescue an axe.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 2, 2022 16:42:42 GMT
And Sauron does a spin kick.
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Post by askew on Oct 2, 2022 17:00:16 GMT
Why were the Numenoreans in the Southlands? I must have missed that part.
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Post by Rich on Oct 2, 2022 17:02:45 GMT
Enjoyed it, but it still feels very small scale despite what eventually happened. Has any of that geography ( damn/lake, Mount Doom shaped mountain? ) previously been signposted? I did like Galadriel and Adur's exchange. G: I will savour killing you last, after I've made you watch the annihilation of your entire race. I will feed you the charred corpses of your children and drink your tears. Then you may die. A: Are you ok? G: YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO DIE!
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Post by Rich on Oct 2, 2022 17:03:43 GMT
Why where the Numenoreans in the Southlands? I must have missed that part. All 5,000 of them left on three boats at the end of the last episode. And apparently did a lot of training on the journey.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 2, 2022 18:53:24 GMT
Rarher, how did the Numenoreans know which specific backwater village they were meant to protect? I mean, last time I looked at the Middle Earth map, the Southlands are kind of big.
Unless the king dude just pointed them in the general direction of where he apparently came from, since he seems to know Adar.
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Post by Rich on Oct 2, 2022 19:08:18 GMT
Turns out Tolkien was embellishing a bit and the Southlands are just one backwater village. The whole scale of the world is off. Or rather, there isn't any. Which reminds me of another issue. It's a really minor thing, but the intro is dull as fuck. I'm not saying it should copy of GoT but surely that would be a really good opportunity to fly over a map of Middle Earth to really show how big the world is and how the locations connect? I moan. I'll keep watching and looking forward to it.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 2, 2022 19:19:25 GMT
My thoughts keep returning to the extraordinary librarian action, who somehow matches Sauron's sigil on Galadriel's parchment to a map from a spy in a random pile in the archives that helps her work out it's Mordor.
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Post by Saul1138 on Oct 3, 2022 1:40:03 GMT
Which reminds me of another issue. It's a really minor thing, but the intro is dull as fuck. I'm not saying it should copy of GoT but surely that would be a really good opportunity to fly over a map of Middle Earth to really show how big the world is and how the locations connect? I moan. I'll keep watching and looking forward to it. They should get the Eagles to fly over the map, get near Mordor, and turn to one another, and have a chat about how they cannot venture there, say if you had a ring that you needed to urgently get rid of. Tried watching this week’s episode, but fell asleep each time. Suffering with a chesty cold, and sleep is more important.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 3, 2022 2:20:53 GMT
I agree about the opening sequence. It looks nice, but doesn't really tell you anything about the show. Just steal the GoT one and alter it to focus on whatever places the current episode is set in.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 3, 2022 7:20:44 GMT
I didn't think that was the creation of of Mt Doom until it was confirmed on various sites.
The destruction of the Southlands and the creation of Mordor should be a disaster for the continent but lacked impact due to the absence of people and villages in the region. Add in the Numenorian fast travel and the entire map starts to feel very small.
I really wish they had allocated a few minutes to world building in this region.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 3, 2022 8:03:26 GMT
I have to say, I didnt expect 'so much for the tolerant left' to be the main storyline, so hats off for subverting my expectations.
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Post by Lukus on Oct 3, 2022 9:23:34 GMT
Again, this is suffering from the same thing the Star Wars films do, where some things are best left to your imagination. Explaining how Mount Doom came about through some weird Crystal Skull style landscape mechanics is a bit shit compared to the idea and feelings you have in your imagination about that place without having it spelled out.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 3, 2022 10:02:17 GMT
I very much enjoyed that episode. Its been slow going on the whole but that was a lot more fun.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 3, 2022 10:09:54 GMT
Again, this is suffering from the same thing the Star Wars films do, where some things are best left to your imagination. Explaining how Mount Doom came about through some weird Crystal Skull style landscape mechanics is a bit shit compared to the idea and feelings you have in your imagination about that place without having it spelled out. Exactly this. Just the two words 'Mount Doom' are cool enough to be a complete explanation of absolutely everything about it.
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