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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 1, 2022 16:00:15 GMT
Sony don't have anywhere near enough money to compete with Microsoft in buying on a large scale. It's a fool errand.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 1, 2022 16:01:25 GMT
This seems pretty bad for gaming. I know there's the whole "Gamepass is such good value for money" thing but there's a hidden cost for the industry generally. People are worried enough to actively want Sony to start buying things up just to "protect" them from Microsoft. Gamepass a bit of a trojan horse. We need Neil Young to boycott Gamepass I doubt he even knows what a Gamepass is. We could always tell him it's anti-vax...
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 1, 2022 16:20:04 GMT
I want Sony to buy them not Microsoft. MS are shit. MS and Sony buy up more studios and go software only then SEGA come out with Dreamcast 2
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Post by Snake on Feb 1, 2022 16:50:01 GMT
Sony isn't defending anything though, they'd do the same as MS if they had those megabucks at their disposal... We need new publisher mergers to contrast this.
Devolver and AnnaPurna merging for instance. Their output is always interesting at the least...
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 1, 2022 17:08:10 GMT
Well don't I look silly. Cheers for the corrections.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 1, 2022 17:50:37 GMT
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Post by 111 on Feb 1, 2022 17:58:23 GMT
"You people who make the games getting what you want is the last thing we need if we want to make good games."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 17:59:27 GMT
Good working conditions? Who can do good work in those conditions?
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Post by スコットランド on Feb 1, 2022 20:51:08 GMT
Just read on Twitter acquisition costs : Retro Studios $1m Insomniac $229m Looking like bargains
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 1, 2022 21:18:46 GMT
Really hope IG do another Sunset Overdrive
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Post by unrealkilla on Feb 5, 2022 10:57:25 GMT
Interesting item from the Twitterverse. Sega tweeted "Who's your favourite Sega character", and the Xbox official account replied simply "Yes.". The Sega account then replied to that "You get it 🥺💙".
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Post by aubergine on Feb 5, 2022 12:42:00 GMT
I find Gamepass concerning, in the same way I found the rise of mobile gaming concerning, a trend away from games development to swipey trash. I just think it will lead to dumber, “straight to Gamepass” shovelware over time, live service shit with cosmetic add-ons, a suffocation of indie studios and startups.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 5, 2022 12:51:13 GMT
I don't think it will lead to a suffocation of indie start ups just like streaming media hasn't killed off smaller movies or artists it's actually brought them more to the fore and I think that's happening now with Gamepass. Yes, I will admit that I don't like the idea of not owning something which is what you get when you go down the Netflix model but I believe good games will always have a way to get through.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Feb 5, 2022 12:53:06 GMT
I just don't want Microsoft in control of the entire medium
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 5, 2022 12:54:56 GMT
They won't be but it's going to be a future of Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, Sony and Tencent. It's depressing yes.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 5, 2022 13:00:38 GMT
Interesting item from the Twitterverse. Sega tweeted "Who's your favourite Sega character", and the Xbox official account replied simply "Yes.". The Sega account then replied to that "You get it 🥺💙". Think that was more to do with them later saying the correct answer is All of them
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Post by Cappy on Feb 5, 2022 13:15:34 GMT
No doubt there is a top down push to try and change the AAA space over to a subscription model where games are passively consumed as throwaway ephemera like television and the 'value' offered by services like Gamepass is an attempt to get a foot in the door.
The question is whether that leaves enough of the pie to sustain a middle tier market where all the lower budget titles, and content without games as service features, still available on physical media can live. I'd say yes, without top down interference these things can still exist.
The most insidious thing about these services is that they are heavily curated, if they get into a position of control they will be able to influence what you play directly via their selections and through those choices have an influence on what developers produce. Maybe I want to play nothing but video pinball games back to back for months, maybe nothing but strategy games and survival horror, these services lead to the player having to make compromises and lose choice.
A service fully loaded up with content you normally wouldn't buy isn't really providing value, it's just a repeat of the dying mainstream television model.
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Post by unrealkilla on Feb 5, 2022 13:18:52 GMT
Interesting item from the Twitterverse. Sega tweeted "Who's your favourite Sega character", and the Xbox official account replied simply "Yes.". The Sega account then replied to that "You get it 🥺💙". Think that was more to do with them later saying the correct answer is All of them I thought it might be that, but still the overall context is MS saying nice things about Sega's back catalogue, and Sega replying coyly/positively?
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Post by aubergine on Feb 5, 2022 21:22:31 GMT
The way I see it, AAA games have had to compete for your $100 (or whatever it is where you are) while the Netflix of games just means games have to be just good enough that you won’t bother cancelling your subscription. I don’t think it’s the same with movies. You can hardly ship a movie before it’s actually finished. The “man-hours” of making a two hour film is nothing compared to constructing something like GTA or Elder Scrolls.
I think we are much more likely to see games shipping in a terrible state to Gamepass et al and a steady decline in quality over time as the higher-ups in game studios realise it matters less than ever. Unless their earnings through Gamepass are tied to player ratings and engagement I guess, but Destiny has great player engagement and it’s fucking shit.
If you went by my engagement, the service would only have Minecraft on it, and I already bought that four times.
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Post by 111 on Feb 6, 2022 10:44:14 GMT
Think that was more to do with them later saying the correct answer is All of them I thought it might be that, but still the overall context is MS saying nice things about Sega's back catalogue, and Sega replying coyly/positively? Fairly sure the people who run the social media accounts of trillion dollar companies don't coyly drop hints about shareholder-affecting, market-moving M&A activity.
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Post by unrealkilla on Feb 6, 2022 12:12:45 GMT
I thought it might be that, but still the overall context is MS saying nice things about Sega's back catalogue, and Sega replying coyly/positively? Fairly sure the people who run the social media accounts of trillion dollar companies don't coyly drop hints about shareholder-affecting, market-moving M&A activity. Yeah, true. But if another big company Tweets at another company, it's feasible that whoever is running the social media accounts would consult with higher ups on what to respond with, or even if they should respond? Anyway yeah, I just thought it was interesting.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 6, 2022 12:44:21 GMT
Yeah, I highly doubt the people running the social media account have high level meetings with the boss about billion dollar acquisitions and if it's okay to put teases in tweets about them.
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Post by pierrepressure on Feb 6, 2022 16:51:32 GMT
Unsurprising to read Nintendo said they wouldn't get involved in this M&A battle.
Having said that, I can see them buying MercurySteam after the success of Dread. They seem to like them and appear to have that Nintendo DNA they were going on about in a recent shareholders meeting.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Feb 6, 2022 16:55:48 GMT
Unsurprising to read Nintendo said they wouldn't get involved in this M&A battle. Having said that, I can see them buying MercurySteam after the success of Dread. They seem to like them and appear to have that Nintendo DNA they were going on about in a recent shareholders meeting. I liked Dread (didn't play Returns) but nothing about their output prior to that says Nintendo DNA to me. I didn't like any of their Castlevania games, the PS3 ones were just GoW clones and nothing special
I can see them using them again after Dread but not sure why they'd want to buy them
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Post by Frog on Feb 6, 2022 17:25:02 GMT
I wish someone would buy Nintendo so we can see some of their games running on something more powerful than a smartphone.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Feb 6, 2022 17:35:15 GMT
Assuming they let Nintendo carry on operating exactly as they do now. I don't think it would work that way so not sure that's a wise wish if you like Nintendo stuff
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 6, 2022 17:36:49 GMT
I dont really give a shit how powerful a console is, there are very few games that actually justify their existence beyond looking slightly better. Chasing after the next gen graphics is becoming detrimental to gaming as so much time goes into that vs. actual new and interesting gameplay.
I'm fairly cynical when it comes gaming these days, so I really don't give a shit if MS buy everything. Makes it easier for me to access, and I'm convinced games are on a general downward slope anyway, doesn't matter who owns them they're all going to become commodified and shit in the next decade regardless.
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Post by Frog on Feb 6, 2022 17:40:49 GMT
I think MS have left Bethesda alone to do their thing pretty much, so an acquisition doesn't necessarily lead to interference.
Although Nintendo could do with some interference in their online offering as it's dreadful.
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Post by Frog on Feb 6, 2022 18:00:51 GMT
and I'm convinced games are on a general downward slope anyway I just don't understand that view at all, it's been being said for years and there are still loads of brilliant games every year. There are still plenty of games with no monetisation whatsoever as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 18:07:26 GMT
I kind of felt that way last gen, but PS5 has gotten me excited again.
And if I played the Switch more, cause honestly it's library is pretty fantastic. I'm just not a big portable gamer. Game Gear and PSP were the only ones I spent a decent amount of time on.
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