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Post by TheSaint on Dec 27, 2021 23:43:45 GMT
Couldn’t find an equivalent to the old thread here. Anyway this thread is pretty creepy:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2021 23:54:44 GMT
Judging by his twitter feed he's an attention seeking, drama queen, liar. If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
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Post by TheSaint on Dec 27, 2021 23:59:15 GMT
I don’t believe it. It was just a little ghost story. Quite intriguing while it was unfolding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 0:01:29 GMT
I love a good yarn but even a cursory glance at his tweets shows you that he's an a bit of a tool.
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Post by simple on Dec 28, 2021 1:13:23 GMT
I quite like Scarfolk so it’d be a shame if the guy behind it is a prick
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 28, 2021 2:14:49 GMT
Who's the deleted account?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Dec 28, 2021 2:27:16 GMT
Jizzeasy
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 2:27:22 GMT
Jyzzy? I think
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Post by askew on Dec 28, 2021 8:18:32 GMT
Now that is an interesting mystery
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 8:25:11 GMT
He has some issues. And I don't mean of What Car Magazine.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 28, 2021 8:25:33 GMT
Clearly a blobsquatch
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 28, 2021 10:46:24 GMT
Oh right. Yeah, I had noticed that he'd argue with anyone at the drop of a hat and just straight up insult people over the smallest of things.
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Post by Lukus on Dec 28, 2021 10:48:08 GMT
He was right in this instance though... That tweet was neither a mystery or interesting.
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Post by cubby on Dec 28, 2021 10:51:46 GMT
It's father Christmas
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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 30, 2021 19:58:52 GMT
More fluff here than in my naval, footage is interesting but why the need for all the other stuff. And by interesting I mean ambiguous enough to leave the commentary behind. They should know better.
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Post by cubby on Jan 13, 2022 23:44:31 GMT
Havana syndrome - the mysterious illness that's been properly incapacitating US diplomats, spies and officials since 2016. Originally starting in Cuba the latest have happened in Paris and Geneva. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59986297From the very beginning powerful microwaves have been theorised as the cause, presumably by Russians or the Chinese given the targets. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndromeScary stuff if microwaves are now being weaponised.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 14, 2022 0:48:09 GMT
WRONG THREAD
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Post by lexw on Jan 14, 2022 2:27:28 GMT
From the very beginning powerful microwaves have been theorised as the cause, presumably by Russians or the Chinese given the targets. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_syndromeScary stuff if microwaves are now being weaponised. There are huge problems with the microwave theory. Firstly, it's not a new theory, and it's not new to Havana syndrome. US diplomats have been paranoid about this since the 1960s. Literally exactly this - that the Russians have a secret microwave weapon that can make people ill at a distance and they use it on people who work at embassies. So the idea, the paranoid idea, has been floating around for 50+ years. I first encountered the idea in about 1994, for goodness sake. Secondly, there's very little evidence, and what evidence there is, doesn't support microwaves well at all. Some of the people involved have been found to have brain injuries, but they're not necessarily the people who reported the most extreme symptoms, or IIRC, even people who mentioned specific symptoms at all. What they did was scan dozens of embassy personnel in a couple of places, and they found some previously not known brain injuries. But you'd expect that. You don't normally do those kind of scans. If you took a hard-drinking, often ex-military (and or college football) crowd with a lot of aging people, like US diplomats, and just brain-scanned them, you'd expect to see a bunch of previously unidentified brain injuries. This is part of why doctors don't normally do random-ass scans of people - because you will find lots of damn oddities which people then get obsessed by but most of which don't seem to have any specific cause nor need to be "fixed" or whatever. The other issue is that embassy staff also get a lot of the nastier inoculations (not necessarily vaccinations), like anti-malaria stuff, which can cause serious side effects. I would personally strongly suspect that, if you just pulled all US overseas embassy staff, regardless of whether they'd actually reported or experienced any "Havana Syndrome" stuff, and scanned the lot of them, you'd find the same incidence of previously unknown minor brain injuries and so on. I would really be looking at stuff like "what medications are these people being forced to take" more than "SPOOKY MAGIC MICROWAVES!!!" (esp. as people have been "targeted" in places where it seems like microwaves wouldn't really work). But it is a real mystery so does fit the thread title. And hell maybe it is microwaves. Maybe "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you" applies here - maybe the fears of decades finally came true. But more likely they didn't and it's a psychogenic illness where the actual problems detected are caused by other issues experienced by embassy people. (One of the few examples on US soil was described in an extremely dramatic way but the person didn't have any lasting symptoms or anything detected, and despite themselves and their dog allegedly "bleeding from the nose" (something pretty shocking) and stuff, they didn't have any pictures of that, which honestly, is pretty suspect.) One thing that does make me wonder though is Gulf War syndrome, which was extensively blamed on EVIL SODDAM INSANE at the time and his CHEMICAL WEAPONS, but, on later investigation, seems to almost certainly have been caused by... the unnecessary antidote to non-existent chemical weapons that US troops kept injecting themselves with because of false alarms and paranoia, which is itself extremely toxic (other stuff might have factored in too). Right now, the US military's burning of incredibly toxic trash right next to US military bases in foreign countries seems to be poisoning the shit out their own soldiers (indeed there was a Jon Stewart documentary on it recently). It's habitual for the US. So my money is 100% on the US diplomats being exposed to something "helpful" by the US which is actually causing any of the real problems/symptoms.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 6:47:55 GMT
Just a quick one on gulf war syndrome. It appears to be due (from the people I know who got it anyway) to the injections given to people before they got to theatre. One of these was anti chemical weapons (nerve agent I think) and it's thought that was the one. I'm glad I missed that jab as I've seen previously healthy guys reduced to shadows of themselves (constantly ill) and it's also been passed on to kids conceived afterwards.
Also, he did have chemical weapons and he did use them at least once. Scud missiles landed at a base a mate was at and they set off the chemical alarms.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 14, 2022 7:07:28 GMT
I could forgive cubby (but I'm not going to) because the search function can be a bit wiggy but Witchking I'm putting you on a list for flagrantly ignoring the original thread, and by extension, me. I don't know what I did to hurt you so much but to embarrass me in public like this- I can't forgive that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 7:22:59 GMT
Oh ... sorry. Half asleep and posting when I should be getting dressed or something useful. As an aside (now you mention it and all) I could probably give you a (longish) list of the hurtful things which led to this in the "original thread" if you want? I had (thoughtfully) thought that would lead to you being embarrassed in public, which I hear you're a bit... a bit...sniffy about, so I avoided doing it. tbh with all this name changing lark, I'd figured you were past worrying about being embarrassed.
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Post by dominalien on Jan 14, 2022 7:32:53 GMT
Maybe it's directly related to distance from the McDonald's HQ?
I jest ofc. That thing IS interesting and the explanations given here are interesting as well.
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Post by lexw on Jan 14, 2022 15:14:00 GMT
Also, he did have chemical weapons and he did use them at least once. Scud missiles landed at a base a mate was at and they set off the chemical alarms. I'm sure the alarms did go off, doesn't mean chemical weapons were actually used offensively. No-one has ever been able to prove that, and if there was a conclusive link to the Scuds, it'd have been easy to prove. In fact, quoting Wikipedia "The Riegle Report said that chemical alarms went off 18,000 times during the Gulf War." 18,000 times. Almost all of those were either false alarms, them detecting nasty chemicals which were part of warfare at the time, but not being "deployed", or from Allied forces destroying chemical stockpiles and the like. That was part of the problem, and was part of why people injected themselves with nasty shit a bunch of times. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemical_weapons_programNotice the complete lack of evidence of intentional use in the Gulf War. Combine that with the alarms going off 18000 times. The only definite exposure to actual chemical weapons in Gulf 1 was when when Allied forces blew up Saddam's main mustard gas (and possibly nerve gas) storage centre, which exposed a lot of troops (though claims that it exposed literally every soldier present in Iraq seem far-fetched). Pre-theatre presumably you mean the anthrax vaccine? That turned out to be fairly nasty side-effect-wise but is unlikely to have been responsible for the main symptoms. You can't pre-theatre nerve agent stuff though. The main causes are all Allied-side. The main causes I'm aware of are: 1) Nerve-gas antidotes and the quasi-adjuvant used to support them, pyridostigmine bromide. 2) Being vaccinated for a bunch of things at once, some of the vaccines being ones with fairly significant side effects (which is part of why they're not routinely administered, and particularly not all at once). 3) US forces dumping organophosphate pesticides fucking everywhere all the time during the Gulf War, like it was air freshener or something. The US went absolutely berserk with this stuff, and it's incredibly toxic (but US at the time was trying to pretend they weren't), and organophosphate poisoning matches the symptoms of Gulf War syndrome extremely well. The 2008 report on the subject concluded this was the most likely cause of most of the illness. 4) Depleted uranium, a lot of which essentially vaporized or burned. The radiation isn't an issue, but the toxicity is. 5) Releases of nerve gas etc. from bombing of Iraqi storage. The evidence is a bit sketchier on this one, especially as it doesn't seem to have impacted civilian populations, which you would have expected it to (whereas the US dumped the organophosphates on its own troops/bases, so it makes sense it'd be most impacted there). The US has a long history of fucking it's own people super-hard right in the ass with chemicals, radiation and so on, whilst attempting to blame "the bad guys", before quietly admitting "Ooops maybe we fucked up" decades later. I strongly suspect Havana Syndrome will end up the same way.
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Post by cubby on Feb 3, 2022 10:50:31 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60237839So this report apparently rules out psychological or environmental causes for Havana Syndrome. Although does allow that psychological factors could worsen the symptoms in individuals.
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Post by lexw on Feb 3, 2022 14:43:35 GMT
This doesn't mean much.
There's no actual science being presented here, just a vague, unsubstantiated claim that they've "ruled out" environmental or medical factors, which frankly, is probably not actually true in any normal sense, because it would be nigh-impossible to rule out both and rule in directed energy.
We also know they took the entirely unscientific approach of predetermining a set of symptoms they liked, and solely looking at the individuals who presented with those symptoms. No control, no testing the hypothesis, just let's look solely at these symptoms and no others.
On top of that we don't even know what the sample size is. Could be 5, could be 50. Even then the most they can say is "it might be directed energy of some kind". But they don't even provide a plausible scientific mechanism for that AFAICT - instead they're so broad they're including from ultrasonic sound to actual microwave-length radio waves.
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Post by cubby on Feb 3, 2022 15:33:20 GMT
lexw, please, let me have stupid brain rays
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