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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 25, 2024 10:59:34 GMT
I'd imagine Trump as president would be a big plus for the media. My gut tells me he's nailed on for the win. Hopefully your gut is suffering from gastroenteritis. |
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Post by apollo on Oct 25, 2024 11:00:25 GMT
I'd imagine Trump as president would be a big plus for the media. Until he puts them in prison them for something he does not like |
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Post by zephro on Oct 25, 2024 11:02:04 GMT
Is anyone else basically ignoring this until there's actual news? I just can't be fucked even caring what mad shit a Republican said today.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 25, 2024 11:07:03 GMT
I'll be doing my best to not give a shit for the next four years. It's just exhausting.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Oct 25, 2024 11:09:34 GMT
I don't know how people can even watch clips of him talking shit. It's not even funny anymore
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 25, 2024 11:11:42 GMT
What media want is a close race because it (supposedly) drives clicks, some publications will unironically post articles saying Harris and Trump are crushing it in the same states within a couple hours of each other.
As much as they sanewash Trump constantly, who actually wins doesn't really seem to matter as much to them in the short term. If Trump wins they (should) know that they're fucked unless they're the billionaire owners (and even then, you never know...), and if Harris wins it's the billionaire owners that (believe they) will be fucked. Either way someone's screwed, might as well get those sweet, sweet clicks in the meantime...
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 25, 2024 11:21:31 GMT
The thing is that these billionaires are the media owners. In those two cases I mentioned of well regarded papers deciding not to give endorsements are decisions that have come from their owners.
If it was up to the writers, I expect they would have no issue with putting their papers' support behind Harris.
The Post has history of bringing down Republican presidents. Shame it seems to have lost that backbone when it comes to Trump.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 25, 2024 11:35:02 GMT
To me it feels like the GOP is on full on panic mode. Musk literally paying people to register/vote, trying insanely hard to push weird things that no-one should give a shit about (Kamala may or may not have worked at McDonalds 40 years ago!), pulling out random promises like “let’s abolish all taxes!”, meanwhile they’re campaigning seemingly at random without much of a strategy, their door knocking ground game has turned out to be rife with fraud, Trump’s rallies are frequently empty (and get emptier quickly), and they’re resorting to photo-op nonsense like Trump working the fry counter.
They’re also on a pre-attack mode about some apparently bad news that’s dropping about Trump this week, already saying things like “whatever you see, it’s an AI deepfake!” about unclear stuff that hasn’t even been reported yet.
Hope for the best and plan for the worst and all that, but I’m more convinced than ever it’s going to be an absolute blue avalanche, with places like Texas even in play.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 25, 2024 11:43:00 GMT
Really hope your right about a blue avalanche. I fear the outcome of a very narrow Harris win almost as much as a Trump win, as I can see hell breaking loose if there is any doubt in the result.
Not sure what bombshell dropping they could be scared of. Doesn't seem like there is really any news that might do anything deter anyone that is considering voting Trump.
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Post by rftp on Oct 25, 2024 11:59:02 GMT
Their main hope seems to hinge on undecided voters (aka, morons). Nothing will sway the ravening horde of MAGA, but those idiots might just be upset if there's actual video of him groping a child.
Also, I think there'll be a lot less hell breaking loose than last time because this time, the Dems are the incumbents and will just call in the National Guard straight away.
There's going to be years of incredibly loud cry-whinging and baseless legal shenanigans, though.
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Post by Dougs on Oct 25, 2024 12:31:26 GMT
Any shenanigans will be at a state level, where the GOP has been inserting Trumpists to try and control things there.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Oct 25, 2024 13:08:47 GMT
It seems like a lot of the stuff I've read and polls recently aren't looking good for Harris, but at this point the margins seem so narrow that it's basically impossible to tell. Or the polls are off, which is also impossible to tell.
I think the best thing is to ignore it until anyone actually knows anything concrete.
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 25, 2024 13:58:29 GMT
It seems like a lot of the stuff I've read and polls recently aren't looking good for Harris, but at this point the margins seem so narrow that it's basically impossible to tell. Or the polls are off, which is also impossible to tell. I think the best thing is to ignore it until anyone actually knows anything concrete. 1) Many demographics that tend to at least skew Harris avoid polls like the plague... and as much as they would like us to think otherwise they neither use modern methods enough nor account for the discrepancies well enough. 2)Smaller-scale polls (districts, counties, basically anything that doesn't have the Trump advantage baked in) show big Democrat advantages, and statewide/national polls have been inundated by heavily (to the point of baselessly) red-skewing polls with few credentials recently. 3) Early voting turnout has seen massive increases in many states (including critical swing states and places like Georgia and even Texas) and, while there are more Republicans using it now, that still means that a) they won't be making as big of a swing on actual election day and b) even that is still leaving Democrats with advantages in early polling (not to mention those registered as independent, or that surprising numbers of Republicans are actually voting for Harris, even if they vote red down-ballot) 4) Harris is studiously avoiding Clinton's mistakes from her own run, and not leaving anything behind. Swing states, red strongholds, blue strongholds, everywhere is being pushed. 5) Anecdotally, I've seen copious amounts of comments and posts reporting big reductions in the amount of visible Trump signs and flags, many Republicans saying they'll at least stay home if not vote for Harris, and a steady surge of donations to Harris even in suburbs and more rural areas that typically skew red. Tl;dr in essentially every metric besides polls, the enthusiasm just doesn't seem to be there for Trump anymore. As long as they vote (and said votes are counted properly) I have trouble imagining anything but a Harris victory, and likely one that's big enough to quash any (non-insane) challenges before they even start. Not that that's gonna stop me from sweating until she's sworn in good and proper, mind... |
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Post by Duffking on Oct 25, 2024 16:04:22 GMT
Trump being good for the media is almost certainly why they don't go in on him for things he says as much as you would logically expect them to. People have been pointing it out for ages, but even among the outlets that obviously disagree with him and are supporting Harris, under the hood they basically want him to win, even if he hates them and wants them destroyed because on balance they reckon it'd be good for business.
Like as long as he doesn't shut them down or have their journalists murdered (and you could argue the owners may not even worry about that), he's an endless press machine in the way that Harris isn't.
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Post by Tuffty on Oct 25, 2024 20:34:42 GMT
Washington Post has broken 3 decades of precedent and refused to endorse a candidate.
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Post by JonFE on Oct 25, 2024 21:19:32 GMT
Unless WP are playing some 4D-chess here, believing their endorsement would actually hurt their preferred candidate (logic suggests that's Harris), the lack of endorsement is rather disappointing...
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 25, 2024 21:21:30 GMT
Jeff Bezos' decision, apparently (and according to CNN, some of the Post's staffers are pretty outraged thereby).
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 25, 2024 21:27:10 GMT
Yeah, I posted this on the previous page (it was just rumour at the time, rather than official). Bezos is supposedly worried about government contracts if Trump wins and the paper he owns endorses Harris. Also heard that pieces endorsing Harris had actually been written, but were blocked.
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 25, 2024 21:29:40 GMT
There's already been resignations, I'm reading... The best/worst part is that he's completely Streisand Effect-ed it. Endorsing a candidate would have been just another nothingburger, business as usual (well, maybe not if they actually went for Trump...). Not making an endorsement after however many decades? Everyone's talking about it. It just feels like the Republicans are constantly rolling natural 1s on every check imaginable, but their voters somehow roll even less on their save rolls and eat it all up  |
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Post by askew on Oct 26, 2024 13:53:07 GMT
Good old chilling effect.
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Post by peekconfusion on Oct 27, 2024 17:25:36 GMT
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Post by Ulythium on Oct 27, 2024 17:59:12 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 27, 2024 18:01:30 GMT
The funny thing is it that all that ass kissing means dick as he flips his opinion constantly.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 27, 2024 19:52:48 GMT
I don't know how people can even watch clips of him talking shit. It's not even funny anymore It was never funny. |
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 27, 2024 19:55:55 GMT
Yep, all the billionaires want Trump as he’ll help make them even more money. The only difference between them and the likes of Musk is they aren’t media attention whores. There’s no billionaire that’s got there by being a nice person, and few millionaires. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 27, 2024 23:52:02 GMT
I don't agree with the probable motive behind the Washington Post stopping endorsements of presidential candidates. But it's always been a bit weird to me that big newspapers ever did it in the first place.
I can't imagine anyone would ever change their vote because of a NYT editorial. And being that explicit about it challenges the whole "we just report, we're neutral, we don't take sides" thing that journalists claim to value.
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Post by Syrette on Oct 28, 2024 0:38:11 GMT
'He also proposed a bill to impose a one-year jail sentence for anyone who burns the American flag'
Jesus H Christ...
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 28, 2024 0:46:19 GMT
'He also proposed a bill to impose a one-year jail sentence for anyone who burns the American flag' Jesus H Christ... And what's the punishment for those who sexually assault it?  |
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Post by Tuffty on Oct 28, 2024 1:06:28 GMT
You know how unfunny you have to be to make racist jokes for an arena full of Trump supporters that would lap up this stuff, and still bomb?
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 28, 2024 1:17:35 GMT
Wow. They insulted blacks, Latinos and Puerto Ricans, all even before Trump took the stage. It's almost impressive how hateful they are!
Then again, Trump idolises Nazis and the rally is in Madison Square Garden, maybe he wanted it to be as close to the 1939 rally as possible...
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