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Post by rawshark on Jul 31, 2024 21:51:21 GMT
I had some pork and jalapeño sausages today. Very nice.
Sadly for all involved Trump only seems to gain support the more stupid the shit he says gets. It’s like his superpower.
Edit: new page sausage!
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Post by Danno on Jul 31, 2024 21:58:23 GMT
+1 for soss
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 31, 2024 22:22:54 GMT
JuniorFE Fair comments, one and all - I hadn't really given enough thought to how that particular sausage is being made, so to speak. Let's hope Harris manages to maintain her current momentum. Looking forward to seeing who her veep pick turns out to be! FWIW Harris has been a very pleasant surprise (and not just for me, as far as I can tell)! She was mostly in the background these past few years, so a lot of people who remembered her debate performances back in 2020 didn't place that much confidence in her performance now... But she and her campaign team have been absolutely crushing it, and the party has rallied behind her so quickly that I wouldn't be surprised if the plan to put her at the top of the ticket began taking shape even as early as the debate! If Biden did indeed gaslight the entire GOP (and us!) by pretending to hold on until the RNC was over and done with, ready to take over the news cycle by stepping down right after, it would be an absolute masterclass of a political maneuver, and whether that happened or not the Harris campaign has taken the bull by the horns from day one! Let's hope it lasts... And that they're ready to counter all the bullshit Trump's team will undoubtedly pull every day until January 6th of course, the fat lady doesn't sing in November anymore...
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Post by cubby on Jul 31, 2024 22:32:14 GMT
Given how shrewd an operator he was in the Senate it's not outside the realms of possibility that it was 4d chess by Biden. But I think it's unlikely personally, that debate was too humiliating.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 31, 2024 22:43:17 GMT
Given how shrewd an operator he was in the Senate it's not outside the realms of possibility that it was 4d chess by Biden. But I think it's unlikely personally, that debate was too humiliating. I should probably clarify, "as early as the debate" should be "as early as right after the debate". I doubt he did that poorly on purpose as part of the plan, I just think that the gears started turning very soon after said bad performance, rather than weeks later
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Aug 1, 2024 0:52:22 GMT
I know people like to imagine West Wing-style strategizing behind the scenes, like some grand game of politics. But to me, the simpler and likelier explanation is that Biden was a stubborn old man who didn't know when to call it quits, enabled by colleagues and family members who didn't have the heart or courage to tell him "Now. Now is the time".
Honestly, he probably should have done it 6 months ago. Hell, if people weren't certain that he could last 8 years, he should have said right up front "I'm only planning to do 4, then Harris can take over".
It would have been the generous thing to do, being a bridge to a younger generation. Instead of being the last, gasping death rattle of a generation desperate to cling to power at any cost.
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 1, 2024 1:27:21 GMT
I know people like to imagine West Wing-style strategizing behind the scenes, like some grand game of politics. But to me, the simpler and likelier explanation is that he was a stubborn old man who didn't know when to call it quits, enabled by colleagues and family members who didn't have the heart or courage to tell him "Now. Now is the time". Honestly, he probably should have done it 6 months ago. Hell, if people weren't certain that he could last 8 years, he should have said right up front "I'm only planning to do 4, then Harris can take over". It would have been the generous thing to do, being a bridge to a younger generation. Instead of being the last, gasping death rattle of a generation desperate to cling to power at any cost. The earlier he called his shot with Harris (or anyone else), the more time the propaganda machine would have to dig up something on her (or, again, whoever it was) or coordinate the messaging, and you wouldn't be seeing the floundering the Reps are going through now trying to figure out an attack. Heck, even him not stepping down as President alongside withdrawing from the race, as some were calling for, is both shielding her from anything he does and letting her focus only on campaigning. And he's still passing the torch to the younger generation, he could just as easily have said "No, screw you, I'm doing this all the way" and pretty much no one could have forced him to step down, at least not in an orderly way like it happened now. In any case, whether his extra-late withdrawal (and decision to run again in the first place for that matter, IIRC he had said he'd be a one-term president) was a calculated move or an old man being stubborn (at the possibility of not being able to properly "finish" a job he's been doing for half a century, mind, anyone would be frustrated at that even if it was the right thing to do), the fact remains that it's working out beautifully so far. It's just that there's also a not-insignificant possibility that there were plans being laid down earlier than we were led to believe (although even I won't go as far as to say it's been planned since before even the debate)
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Post by 😎 on Aug 1, 2024 2:12:45 GMT
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Post by lukasz on Aug 1, 2024 2:39:58 GMT
Small transcript "I was running against a man named 'Joe Biden', you probably saw that. And he was losing very badly in the polls and then he had a really bad debate, I'd say it was a bad debate. It was one of the worst debates in history. And his phone number's crashed. And instead of saying you know 'let's keep going and maybe something happens the other way', they said oh we're going to replace him, let's just replace him. That's like you're in a fight, a prize fighter's in a fight, he's not doing well, you say let's bring in another fight. Now our whole campaign was steered toward him and now we have to steer to..."
I find it amusing. Trump slipped that move to Harris is bad for them, that whole campaign was attack on biden not on how trump presidency will benefit the country.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Aug 1, 2024 3:21:47 GMT
JuniorFEIt's working out well so far, but that "so far" is doing a lot of work. Democrats are in a honeymoon period, and Republicans haven't even begun to really get the claws in. And even if she is more popular than Biden, America still has its fucked electoral college system. The election will be decided by a few thousand old white voters in battleground states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, so it really doesn't matter that much that she's sightly more popular than Biden nationally.
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 1, 2024 7:48:23 GMT
In the meantime, the Lincoln Project reacts to Trump's latest interview:
(with a picture of the Hindenburg disaster)
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Post by skalpadda on Aug 1, 2024 10:43:44 GMT
I still refuse to be optimistic about any of this, but it's been fascinating to see just how quickly the Dems went from what seemed like feeble torpor, even before the debate, to actually come out swinging.
I don't know enough about Kamala Harris to have any strong opinions about her, but I listened to a few senate and house hearings back when Trump was president, and the only ones I remember doing a good job were Harris, AOC and Ted Lieu. (I was genuinely a bit shocked at just how terrible everyone else in both the house and senate were at asking questions.)
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Post by Duffking on Aug 1, 2024 10:49:37 GMT
Republicans are scrambling for trying to find out how to get the claws in while clearly being REALLY bothered about the "aren't these guys a bit fucking weird" stuff the Dems are putting out.
Currently the Republican attack line seems to just be full on mask-off racism, attempting to both screech "BUT SHEEES BLAAAACK" and "SHES NOT REALLLY BLAAACK" at the same time. I'm guessing their logic is that there's enough people for whom race is the only thing that matters while at the same time that black people magically won't vote for her if they can convince her that she's not???
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Post by Tuffty on Aug 1, 2024 12:27:04 GMT
Pour one out for JD Vance who will undoubtedly have to go and defend how Trump is correct in saying its weird for someone to identify as 2 races, even though he has mixed kids himself.
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Post by dfunked on Aug 1, 2024 12:36:25 GMT
I'm still prepared for the worst, but it does feel like there's a small ray of hope compared to straight after the assassination attempt feeling like Trump winning was the foregone conclusion.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 1, 2024 13:00:29 GMT
I must say how crazy it was how it swung IMMEDIATELY after the assassination attempt. Truly a sugar to shit scenario.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 1, 2024 13:35:03 GMT
He can't really think this is what he's doing?
Guy just wants to avoid jail.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Aug 1, 2024 14:26:03 GMT
Republicans are scrambling for trying to find out how to get the claws in while clearly being REALLY bothered about the "aren't these guys a bit fucking weird" stuff the Dems are putting out. Currently the Republican attack line seems to just be full on mask-off racism, attempting to both screech "BUT SHEEES BLAAAACK" and "SHES NOT REALLLY BLAAACK" at the same time. I'm guessing their logic is that there's enough people for whom race is the only thing that matters while at the same time that black people magically won't vote for her if they can convince her that she's not??? Problem is, the only ones who really matter are the handful of undecideds in the key swing states. If those people are swayed by this kind of stuff then it doesn't really matter if it offends 95% of the rest of the country.
So I hope they aren't.
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Post by Duffking on Aug 1, 2024 14:29:29 GMT
If they're swung by that shit IMO they're also likely to be swung by the constant "holy fuck these guys are weird" stuff from the Dems. Hopefully.
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Post by rockavitch on Aug 1, 2024 16:01:13 GMT
I completely forgot about that whole attempted assassination thing, like, genuinely forgot it happened.
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Post by Danno on Aug 1, 2024 16:07:59 GMT
I completely forgot about that whole attempted assassination thing, like, genuinely forgot it happened. So did the ear, apparently
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 1, 2024 16:19:30 GMT
Ha. It SURE did.
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Post by rockavitch on Aug 1, 2024 16:21:12 GMT
Was the wound not noticeable? No social media and refuse to Google the guy so just assumed it would look Holyfield level at most.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 1, 2024 16:47:20 GMT
There was an AP photo from a former White House photographer that showed his ear in fairly good nick and he posted it on twitter and then his account went offline. There's no indication if it was on purpose.
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Post by drakesmoke on Aug 1, 2024 17:02:45 GMT
What is the implication here? That they staged it all and shot people in the crowd, whilst he acted getting shot? In general I don’t buy sh*t like that, even if some of the jokes about it a la Danno make me chuckle.
Maybe the Occam’s Razor explanation is that your head bleeds like sh*t because there is no flesh there and the blood vessels are all at the surface, and the wound wasn’t bad in the first place. If so it could well be pretty much normal looking by now couldn’t it?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 1, 2024 17:06:36 GMT
That's obviously the implication. I'm not going to indulge in conspiracy theories but I still wouldn't put it past Trump to exaggerate his injury.
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 1, 2024 17:14:40 GMT
I don't think it was fabricated he was hurt but it seems incredibly likely that the early suggestion he was cut by a fragment of glass from the teleprompter that cut his ear was accurate. It doesn't take much to have the claret freely flowing from a cut on softer bits of your head but they heal over quickly enough.
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Post by rockavitch on Aug 1, 2024 17:31:46 GMT
Just to say I wasn't saying it was fake, I assumed he had been nicked at worse. Just forgot it happened. Hadn't heard about the conspiracy either so I'm guessing that hasn't really taken off then.
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Post by X201 on Aug 1, 2024 17:35:40 GMT
There was an AP photo from a former White House photographer that showed his ear in fairly good nick and he posted it on twitter and then his account went offline. There's no indication if it was on purpose. The photo was by a different AP photographer, this was reposted by the former White House photographer pointing out that Trump’s ear had healed - that’s all, no angle or snide remarks . MAGA mob take this as mainstream media attack and start slinging all sorts of crap at him. He deletes his account because he can do without the crap
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 1, 2024 17:52:57 GMT
That's interesting, a lot of social media has put it all on Elon personally getting involved which I always kind of doubted because Streisand Effect but without any official channels talking about it really is hard to filter through all the noise.
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