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Post by rhaegyr on Jul 12, 2024 7:32:14 GMT
As stated above, Harris won't win.
Does anyone else have a chance in such a short space of time? The only semi-credible options I can see are Newsom, Buttigieg and Whitmer.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Jul 12, 2024 7:44:34 GMT
From the outside, it's hard to know what kind of profile those people have in the US. Biden and Trump get coverage here (though most of the coverage of Biden recently has been gaffes and about his age), but not the others.
If they can put up someone competent who has a decent level of public awareness, they might get by on the simple 'anyone but Trump' vote.
Maybe Harris could continue as VP, and they could parachute in one of the apparently more palatable generic white dudes into the top spot.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 12, 2024 7:51:09 GMT
Back in 2020, Biden pitched himself as a "transition candidate" - someone who could beat Trump, steady the ship, then pass the torch to the younger generation. I don't know what changed, but it's looking like the biggest blunder the Democrats could possibly have made. We're way beyond mindless ageism at this point. In isolation, none of these verbal flubs would matter in the least; in conjunction with one another, they're painting a clear picture of cognitive decline. That picture isn't necessarily accurate, but less than four months out from the election, it doesn't much matter - Trump's going to romp home in November if Biden remains the Dems' nominee.
Who else to run? Can anyone else win? "Harris", and "Probably not, but it's worth a try" are the only answers I have to those questions right now.
The saddest thing about all this is the prospect of Biden's political career ending in such ignominious fashion. Whatever you think of him as a person or a politician, he's a guy who has dedicated his life to public service, and he doesn't deserve to get the proverbial shepherd's crook.
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Post by otto on Jul 12, 2024 7:59:50 GMT
Bit harsh on Yeltsin. I mean he was also a fat blond drunk called Boris but at least he had gravitas, relatively speaking
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Post by Bill the kidding on Jul 12, 2024 8:06:05 GMT
Wasn't Biden always considered relatively gaffe prone? I seem to remember even back when he was being discussed as Obama's running mate there was some mention of him mis-speaking at times.
Not that any of that probably matters anymore.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jul 12, 2024 8:08:53 GMT
He should greet Trump with a hug at the best debate, and the pin of the grenade he just armed. Go out an absolute champion, you know.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 12, 2024 9:08:25 GMT
As stated above, Harris won't win. Does anyone else have a chance in such a short space of time? The only semi-credible options I can see are Newsom, Buttigieg and Whitmer. Newsom is Californian and not particularly liked from what I know, Buttigieg is gay (nothing against it on my part obviously, but will 'Muricans vote for that?)... Whitmer is probably the best bet of the three (and any of them would likely torch Trump in a debate, not that he'd agree to a second one), but even then...
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 12, 2024 9:12:51 GMT
Given the amount of coverage any candidate would get at this point then I don’t think coming in late would be too much of an issue.
It needs to be someone with no scandals, has done something good and has been important enough in some form of government. Being gay, black or a woman probably wouldn’t help and they should sadly play it safe with what the Americans will vote for.
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Post by drakesmoke on Jul 12, 2024 9:18:27 GMT
As stated above, Harris won't win. Does anyone else have a chance in such a short space of time? The only semi-credible options I can see are Newsom, Buttigieg and Whitmer. Michelle Obama, let’s make it happen.
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Post by JonFE on Jul 12, 2024 9:28:41 GMT
As stated above, Harris won't win. Does anyone else have a chance in such a short space of time? The only semi-credible options I can see are Newsom, Buttigieg and Whitmer. Michelle Obama, let’s make it happen. I think I've already said it, I'd love Michelle Obama to run for president, if only to see some GOP cunts totally losing their shit over that!!!
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Post by Bill the kidding on Jul 12, 2024 9:55:01 GMT
Michelle Obama would be great. I assume the odds are tiny though.
The problem with Whitmer is that she's a woman (and the US doesn't seem to do women presidents) and also if she ran with Harris as VP then that'd be TWO women!
Michelle Obama is also a woman of course, but I feel like she'd be the exception to the rule.
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Post by drakesmoke on Jul 12, 2024 10:06:24 GMT
She’d have the legacy thing (if a spouse counts), would presumably massively engage the minority communities to vote, not to mention women in general, and seems just like a hugely inspiring and charismatic figure. It’s gotta happen. The history would be massive from it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 12, 2024 10:23:48 GMT
Regardless of his mental acuity it's still insane that we are so focused on this rather than the convicted felon who is also a rapist and is most likely very connected to Epstein and that he's actually gone up in polls. It makes my mind boggle.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 12, 2024 11:13:35 GMT
Regardless of his mental acuity it's still insane that we are so focused on this rather than the convicted felon who is also a rapist and is most likely very connected to Epstein and that he's actually gone up in polls. It makes my mind boggle. The firehose of bullshit in full effect. Trump has normalized himself looking like an idiot genocidal rapist asshole felon, so his crap doesn't even register. Biden has a few bad days (that are foreboding for the future, don't get me wrong) and everyone loses their minds
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Post by ned on Jul 12, 2024 11:16:34 GMT
It's too late now, they have fucked up massively.
Insanity it is, but will also be the reality we are going to have to live with.
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Post by peekconfusion on Jul 12, 2024 11:23:40 GMT
Regardless of his mental acuity it's still insane that we are so focused on this rather than the convicted felon who is also a rapist and is most likely very connected to Epstein and that he's actually gone up in polls. It makes my mind boggle. The firehose of bullshit in full effect. Trump has normalized himself looking like an idiot genocidal rapist asshole felon, so his crap doesn't even register. Biden has a few bad days (that are foreboding for the future, don't get me wrong) and everyone loses their minds And to think it's Dems putting the boot into Biden as well.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jul 12, 2024 11:29:43 GMT
It's basically what happens when an unhinged personality cult goes up against a comparatively rational opposition.
The rational opposition will look to maintain a semblance of stableness and will call out it's concerns and look how it can improve (I'm not happy with that sentence but the gist comes across)
The personality cult will just double down and support their guy, and nothing will change that
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 12, 2024 11:36:10 GMT
Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.
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Post by apollo on Jul 12, 2024 12:45:24 GMT
Really don't know what to say, Biden is still being stubborn old git and all his gaffs are blocking the story about trump on the island, not sure how much I can say on the forum as might get the forum into trouble despite it being true
trump does mumble and make worse gaffs than biden but his supporters are cultists and give zero shits what he says UNLESS its about vaccines, the only time I heard trump supporters boo him (I was in this bar in the USA and there was 2 maga cunts drinking and on the tv was news story and the 2 red caps actually started booing him the bar and doing a thumbs down)
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 12, 2024 13:03:48 GMT
Really don't know what to say, Biden is still being stubborn old git and all his gaffs are blocking the story about trump on the island, not sure how much I can say on the forum as might get the forum into trouble despite it being true
C'mon, man - I get what you're saying, but it's not quite that straightforward.
Biden's staring down the barrel of one of the most ignominious endings to a political career since... what, Nixon? Not because he's crooked, or corrupt, or anything of that nature, but because he's old. Old, and not as sharp as he used to be.
Happens to all of us in the fullness of time.
And yeah, it'd be nice if he could put the party first, concede defeat, and get out of the way to make room for another candidate, but given what's at stake for him - being tossed aside like yesterday's trash less than four months before the election, to go down in history as a washed-up has-been who couldn't hack it anymore - I can't say I blame him for digging in his heels.
It's a crying fucking shame, and I hate every last bit of it.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 12, 2024 13:11:22 GMT
Really don't know what to say, Biden is still being stubborn old git and all his gaffs are blocking the story about trump on the island, not sure how much I can say on the forum as might get the forum into trouble despite it being true
C'mon, man - I get what you're saying, but it's not quite that straightforward.
Biden's staring down the barrel of one of the most ignominious endings to a political career since... what, Nixon? Not because he's crooked, or corrupt, or anything of that nature, but because he's old. Old, and not as sharp as he used to be.
Happens to all of us in the fullness of time.
And yeah, it'd be nice if he could put the party first, concede defeat, and get out of the way to make room for another candidate, but given what's at stake for him - being tossed aside like yesterday's trash less than four months before the election, to go down in history as a washed-up has-been who couldn't hack it anymore - I can't say I blame him for digging in his heels.
It's a crying fucking shame, and I hate every last bit of it.
If he doesn't step aside and he loses, his legacy will be "the guy that handed America to Trump because he was stubborn" though. That's far worse than "recognized his course was run and stepped aside"
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 12, 2024 13:16:34 GMT
JuniorFE He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. The time for a dignified, "recognized his course was run and stepped aside" exit has long since gone, though. If he'd never sought the Democratic nomination, and instead embraced Harris as his successor, then sure; getting as far as the first debate and shitting the bed, before being forced out of the race two weeks later, leaves him no room to step aside with his dignity intact. The whole situation is manifestly unfair.
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Post by apollo on Jul 12, 2024 13:17:07 GMT
Really don't know what to say, Biden is still being stubborn old git and all his gaffs are blocking the story about trump on the island, not sure how much I can say on the forum as might get the forum into trouble despite it being true
C'mon, man - I get what you're saying, but it's not quite that straightforward.
Biden's staring down the barrel of one of the most ignominious endings to a political career since... what, Nixon? Not because he's crooked, or corrupt, or anything of that nature, but because he's old. Old, and not as sharp as he used to be.
Happens to all of us in the fullness of time.
And yeah, it'd be nice if he could put the party first, concede defeat, and get out of the way to make room for another candidate, but given what's at stake for him - being tossed aside like yesterday's trash less than four months before the election, to go down in history as a washed-up has-been who couldn't hack it anymore - I can't say I blame him for digging in his heels.
It's a crying fucking shame, and I hate every last bit of it.
But the issue is its 2 candidates system at the end of the day and Trump getting in well fuck the entire world and massive win for Putin, its not like brexit where it fucked over the UK. Trump party members are talking about jailing people who spoke out about trump like Nazi germany
Lots of people are saying to Biden its time to step down, I can understand he does not want to be seen to drop out but there is a lot more at stake. He could be seen as the president that put his pride aside so that orange cunt does not get and fuck over the world
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 12, 2024 13:21:52 GMT
apollo I know there's a lot at stake, and I certainly think Biden needs to step down ASAP. I just can't find it in me to castigate him for being stubborn - who among us wouldn't be, in his position?
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 12, 2024 13:31:07 GMT
I mean there's no way an old bloke who is by most standards decent could lose to a different old bloke who is a convicted felon, rapist, paedo, mysognist, terrible business man, creep and apparently shits himself on a regular basis.
It's impossible.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 12, 2024 13:50:13 GMT
I mean there's no way an old bloke who is by most standards decent could lose to a different old bloke who is a convicted felon, rapist, paedo, mysognist, terrible business man, creep and apparently shits himself on a regular basis. It's impossible. With the timeline that we're in, I'll believe that when a Democrat is in office on inauguration day and not a single second sooner.
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Post by drakesmoke on Jul 12, 2024 14:21:41 GMT
apollo I know there's a lot at stake, and I certainly think Biden needs to step down ASAP. I just can't find it in me to castigate him for being stubborn - who among us wouldn't be, in his position? Well it’s the old country over everything argument for politics isn’t it. I wonder if he just doesn’t think anybody else has it - hence why M.O. needs to be the heroine we need!
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jul 12, 2024 14:23:31 GMT
If you think there's no way Trump can be voted in, your have a lot more faith in people than I do.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 12, 2024 14:32:53 GMT
drakesmoke I like to think - and of course, it's pure speculation on my part - that if Biden could identify a candidate whom he felt could beat Trump in his stead, he'd stand aside immediately. To be clear, I think he needs to do so anyway, but the lack of an viable replacement must be as obvious to him as it is to everyone else. Maybe even more so. Michelle Obama? I think she'd be a phenomenal choice, but outside of Font Geek I don't think I've seen anyone suggest her!
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Post by drakesmoke on Jul 12, 2024 14:38:09 GMT
Ted Cruz has predicted it 😂
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