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Post by RadicalRex on Nov 29, 2021 0:26:40 GMT
Well I guess it makes sense to have your console exclusive games if you want to sell your consoles, it would be detrimental to make them available to a superior platform
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 29, 2021 1:33:17 GMT
The PS4 is only underpowered if your PC is better specced. That's the weird part - the superiority over a metal box. The bestest most powerfulest PC will eventually be outdated and not run games as good and consoles will eventually catch up and overtake whatever the super goodest PC is now It's transient, means very little
So taking the power stuff out of the picture, you're left with exclusivity for consoles and complexity for PC
In my opinion, those would define the best games ever on those systems
Like I said, this is in regards to the article. For the thread, it doesn't matter and I wasn't criticising anyone's choices
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 29, 2021 1:33:59 GMT
Tbh I don't know that it would be so detrimental. The PC is "superior" in terms of horsepower. But if that was all people cared about nobody would ever buy a console.
Anyway, for this thread I just took it as "games what are available to buy on PC". Though admittedly it'd be a bit weird if someone nominated something like, say, the PC port of Sonic Adventure 2.
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Post by zagibu on Nov 29, 2021 3:52:25 GMT
Though admittedly it'd be a bit weird if someone nominated something like, say, the PC port of Sonic Adventure 2. Well, if it's the best PC game they've ever played, why not? If Zelda III was available on PC, it would probably be in my top list as well.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 29, 2021 3:54:27 GMT
Sure, it's technically fine. Just feels a bit weird somehow.
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Post by andytheaverage on Nov 29, 2021 16:48:07 GMT
My definition of PC games was only meant as a self imposed restriction for the thread and not an arbitrary rule for everyone else to adhere to, just in case anyone thought I was being a gate-keeping prick.
On a related note, I find it weird that MMORPGs have never really taken off on console, with the possibly exception of Final Fantasy 14. In the early days it was probably due to the limitations of consoles, but I imagine that's not been the case for a long time now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 16:54:46 GMT
Probably two things.
Gamers as a whole are cheap, but if you're on console, there's a good chance you're already paying for XBLG or PS+. To add another subscription fee on top of that is a large barrier for many to cross. Even considering that many console MMOs don't require the Gold or Plus sub to work, most people are already paying for those, so the game specific fee is an added expense.
Secondly, up until FFXIV and maybe TERA before that, there hasn't been a good control scheme for playing MMOs on a console. Even Phantasy Star Online on the Dreamcast offered a keyboard because communication would've been a problem otherwise, not to mention all the other key bindings.
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Post by zagibu on Nov 29, 2021 18:20:51 GMT
I doubt it's the fee, because there have been lots of free to play MMORPGs available for quite some time. I guess the console market overlords are pretty strict when it comes to control schemes, so most MMORPGs probably wouldn't even have made it through the certification process.
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Post by andytheaverage on Nov 29, 2021 20:31:06 GMT
Are the controls really that complicated? Lots of console games handle a character having multiple types of attacks with varying levels of success.
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Post by KD on Nov 29, 2021 22:14:54 GMT
When you need one of these to go with a full keyboard
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Post by 😎 on Nov 29, 2021 22:17:49 GMT
I have that one on the left. I think I've used the swappable keypad about three times in total, though I'm not an MMO guy.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 29, 2021 22:21:09 GMT
The one front centre looks like a crumb hoover
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Post by britesparc on Nov 30, 2021 11:35:47 GMT
My favourite games of all time are the first two Monkey Islands, so I guess I'd have to say those, although weirdly enough I've never played them on a PC (had them on the Amiga in the 90s, and then bought them again for the 360).
So with that in mind, and likewise choosing to exclude other games that I played on Amiga/console rather than PC, I'd go for...
1) Deus Ex 2) Half-Life 2 3) Civilization VI 4) Medieval II: Total War 5) C&C: Red Alert
There's probably a decent bit of nostalgia in there, although when I play modern games I often get a feeling like "this reminds me of playing Deus Ex, although I don't think it's quite as good".
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Post by zagibu on Nov 30, 2021 14:18:32 GMT
To avoid being influenced by the nostalgia factor, I often replay those games on my list, and in my opinion, all of them still work great nowadays. You do need some help for some, for example Dune 2 Legacy with the multiselect of units, but otherwise all of them still rock.
Of course, it's not that exciting anymore, since you already know what's coming, but the gameplay loops still work great.
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Post by Techno Hippy on Nov 30, 2021 14:41:50 GMT
Doom, Civ II, and MS Solitaire.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 0:54:18 GMT
Gimme some old school Doom/Quake/Duke3d with sourceports and a mod or two and I'm in my happy place.
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Post by lexw on Dec 3, 2021 22:09:11 GMT
Just off the top of my head, favourite PC games ever - I know I'm forgetting a bunch or thinking I played them on Atari ST when I didn't.
RPGs
Ultima Underworld 1/2 Ultima 6 & 7 Dungeon Master Dragon Age 2 Mass Effect 1/2/3 TES: Morrowind and Skyrim Shadowrun: Hong Kong Fallout: New Vegas Wildermyth Cyberpunk 2077 (Sorry? But it's remarkable) Alpha Protocol System Shock 1
MMOs
Dark Age of Camelot World of Warcraft Final Fantasy XIV City of Heroes
Strategy
Total War: Warhammer 1/2 (and probably 3) Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War 1 Dune 2 Hostile Waters: Anataeus Rising UFO Enemy Unknown (original XCOM) XCOM 2 (the modern XCOM 2) Homeworld 1 Crusader Kings 3 SimCity (old version) Myth: The Fallen Lords Syndicate (original)
ARPGs
Diablo 2 Path of Exile Warframe (in ye olde dayes at least, haven't played it for years)
4X
Master of Orion 2 Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
FPS/TPS (inc. horror and stealth but not RPGs)
Doom 1/2 (not the rest) Left 4 Dead 1 Rainbow Six 1/2 (the old ones) Dead Space 1 Dishonoured 1/2 No-one Lives Forever 2 Quake 1
Airplane/spaceship sim stuff
Wing Commander 1/2 Strike Commander Elite: Frontier (1990s) Microsoft Flight Simulator (more or less all of them)
Other
Dwarf Fortress Unavowed Hades Valheim Risk of Rain 1 Slay the Spire Sims Medieval (this is a terrible game but I adored it) Gabriel Knight 1
Note - these aren't the best games I've ever played, by any means, just the ones I liked best on PC. All of them here felt pretty special to me. If I played a game more on something other than PC I didn't include it.
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Post by zagibu on Dec 3, 2021 23:00:27 GMT
No Total Annihilation or Supreme Commander? SACRILEGE!
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Post by ibenam on Dec 8, 2021 11:47:17 GMT
Theme park or champ manager 01/02
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Post by Chopper on Dec 8, 2021 12:14:48 GMT
My heart lies with the original Mount and Blade but I guess Warband did everything better, so that. The Long Dark is probably my favourite survival game, and even six years later, has a lot to offer me. Another survival game I really enjoyed was Miasmata (2013), the one where you're trapped on an island with a fever and a funky-looking monster; it was kind of a cross between survival and orienteering. I wonder how it holds up these days. Out of the Park Baseball is still going strong since the days where it could be hailed as the best PC game of all time based on a few Metacritic scores, but sadly has dropped to number 4 on the list now It's a bit niche though.
Factorio for sure.
Slay the Spire for realses.
And the X-Series games should have a representative for their sheer PC-centric obtuseness. I'll nominate the latest one, X4: Foundations.
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Post by zephro on Jan 1, 2022 14:15:48 GMT
Might be my age but there's a sweet spot of a few years where we got: Thief 1 + 2 Deus Ex System Shock 2 Baldur's Gate (all 2 and a half) Planescape Torment No One Lives Forever Half Life Freespace 2 Quake 3 Alpha Centauri Shogun Total War Homeworld
Some of them have had better sequels since but that 98-01 glut was fucking brilliant for basically exclusive PC games.
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 1, 2022 15:19:01 GMT
So... Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
The answer was right there in Post #1
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Post by lew on Jan 1, 2022 17:49:22 GMT
My favourite games of all time are the first two Monkey Islands, so I guess I'd have to say those, although weirdly enough I've never played them on a PC (had them on the Amiga in the 90s, and then bought them again for the 360). So with that in mind, and likewise choosing to exclude other games that I played on Amiga/console rather than PC, I'd go for... 1) Deus Ex 2) Half-Life 2 3) Civilization VI 4) Medieval II: Total War 5) C&C: Red Alert There's probably a decent bit of nostalgia in there, although when I play modern games I often get a feeling like "this reminds me of playing Deus Ex, although I don't think it's quite as good". I bought the Monkey Island collection on Steam last week. Humour went over my head as a kid but I always enjoyed Simon thr Sorcerer. Are the Monkey Island games as good as they're held up as?
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Post by EMarkM on Jan 1, 2022 17:55:18 GMT
Simon The Sorcerer series is aces
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Post by zagibu on Jan 2, 2022 11:57:45 GMT
Monkey Island 1 is a magical piece of art. Humor is quite light, but still funny in my opinion. Monkey Island 2 is less magical, but funnier, but you kind of have to like absurd humor, otherwise many jokes are probably a bit meh. I don't really remember much about Monkey Island 3, just that I liked it back when it was new. Never replayed it.
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Post by grey_matters on Jan 2, 2022 12:53:56 GMT
Project IGI
Not really the best but it was decent. Gets a mention as it was the one that got me interested in FPS games which I had had a weird reluctance to play up until then.
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Post by britesparc on Jan 2, 2022 13:05:10 GMT
My favourite games of all time are the first two Monkey Islands, so I guess I'd have to say those, although weirdly enough I've never played them on a PC (had them on the Amiga in the 90s, and then bought them again for the 360). So with that in mind, and likewise choosing to exclude other games that I played on Amiga/console rather than PC, I'd go for... 1) Deus Ex 2) Half-Life 2 3) Civilization VI 4) Medieval II: Total War 5) C&C: Red Alert There's probably a decent bit of nostalgia in there, although when I play modern games I often get a feeling like "this reminds me of playing Deus Ex, although I don't think it's quite as good". I bought the Monkey Island collection on Steam last week. Humour went over my head as a kid but I always enjoyed Simon thr Sorcerer. Are the Monkey Island games as good as they're held up as? I'm probably the wrong person to ask as I'm "in the tank" as they say, but yeah, I'd absolutely say the first two hold up at least. I think maybe the controls are a little clunkier than you'd go for today (in terms of the interface and verb use), but the puzzles are really well done and the world, characters, and writing are all first-rate. I can see someone not getting on board with the humour as it's very "Americans who loved Monty Python" but I still find them genuinely hilarious and I've played them relatively recently. I didn't get on as much with the subsequent games. 3 was okay but I found the art style off-putting; the 3D ones I think just feel too kiddie and arcadey. There was a cheekiness and just the hint of an edge to the first two games that all later ones lack.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Jan 2, 2022 13:05:36 GMT
I was always surprised that the original Heretic never got ported to consoles, only the (inferior to me) sequel. There was something more purr about the original game. I actually restarted it last year on PC with Chocolate Heretic and was enjoying it until I lost PC access (builders smashed the plug socket and it hasn't been fixed yet).
The first two Thief games were classics. I also miss the space Sims like X Wing, I-War and Wing Commander (and Freespace which I really need to actually play).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 13:08:37 GMT
Project IGI Not really the best but it was decent. Gets a mention as it was the one that got me interested in FPS games which I had had a weird reluctance to play up until then. Ugh, those respawning enemies though. Clear out a trailer with only one door, leave the trailer, them look on in wonder as hordes of baddies then issue forth.
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Post by zagibu on Jan 2, 2022 13:26:00 GMT
IGI also had the stupidest AI ever. Snipe a dude who is talking to another dude? His pal just continues talking to thin air.
But yeah, there was something about it that also enticed me. In a way, it was a good singleplayer version of Counterstrike.
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