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Post by dogbot on Mar 29, 2023 10:20:47 GMT
Upgrading the distro version of an Ubuntu EC2 instance remotely (duh, obviously!) via SSH is fun for an RHEL user.
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Post by dogbot on Apr 3, 2023 14:53:08 GMT
I mean, I suppose they could have just handed it over to Capita, but still...
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Post by Psiloc on Apr 4, 2023 8:39:14 GMT
Am I out of touch or is £50,000 a bit of a low salary for the head of cyber security at the treasury
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Post by dfunked on Apr 4, 2023 8:54:20 GMT
Just a bit, yeah. Not too clued up on cybersec wages, but someone based in London could probably get close to that for an entry level position. Absolute pisstake for something at that level.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 4, 2023 8:58:40 GMT
Am I out of touch or is £50,000 a bit of a low salary for the head of cyber security at the treasury I’m by no means high up but two of my line reports earn around this and they just sit on an incident queue all day.
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Post by dogbot on Apr 4, 2023 9:21:43 GMT
The first "Head of Cyber Sec" I saw on Indeed was for £120-140k.
I'd say £50k range is an entry level Analyst or Engineer role (although, probably more in London), not a department head. Also, it's the treasury which is basically a big static target.
Pay peanuts...
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Post by nazo on Apr 4, 2023 9:36:41 GMT
It's a bit worrying that they see Head of Cyber Sec as a mid-level position too.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 4, 2023 9:44:46 GMT
Unless it’s one of those ‘4hr a week, pretend consultancy’ jobs, it’s got to be a mistake. I was approached for an incident response role last year that started at 60 and that’s kind of low market rate.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 4, 2023 9:48:11 GMT
It'll be mid-level with a fancy title - definitely not in charge of cyber sec, more developing the policy. The SRO will be at least 3 grades higher.
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Post by dogbot on Apr 4, 2023 9:56:53 GMT
So not "Head of" anything, then.
They might find a junior. Or, of course, someone with zero experience who's good at talking themselves up.
Mind you, after the weekend, they should probably count themselves lucky if they've even got systems access at all, considering their favourite outsourcer got wr3ck3d by a h4x0r.
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Post by askew on Apr 4, 2023 9:58:58 GMT
I think there was discussion about it on HN and it transpired it was very much a case of title inflation.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 4, 2023 10:12:40 GMT
One of the very few good things about LinkedIn is seeing the made up job titles people give themselves.
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Post by askew on Apr 4, 2023 11:16:23 GMT
But I love being Chief Design Futurologist Advocate | Leader | Individual Contributor | Always hustlin' yo
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Post by dmukgr on Apr 4, 2023 12:16:40 GMT
One of the very few good things about LinkedIn is seeing the made up job titles people give themselves. An ex boss of mine has genuinly just gone from "VP of HW Engineering" to "HW Dude" as he moved to a US company.
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Post by dmukgr on Apr 4, 2023 12:17:50 GMT
I also have a mate who is now "Expert GPU scientist for <company name>"
In our old job we were just HW Engineer.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 4, 2023 12:18:00 GMT
Evangelist always gets me.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 4, 2023 12:20:08 GMT
I think there was discussion about it on HN and it transpired it was very much a case of title inflation. Fairly standard in the CS. A bit of ownership but also with a good degree of cover. But you need to make it sound interesting to get people to actually apply...the job spec would have been clear it was not actually in charge of Cyber Sec.
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Post by jeepers on Apr 4, 2023 12:21:03 GMT
Evangelist always gets me. 100% “I can’t do any of this work so I’ll talk loudly on LinkedIn about work other people have done” said every VR evangelist ever.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Apr 4, 2023 13:16:16 GMT
We had a Product Manager leave a few months ago who was genuinely poor at her job. Within days she was filling LinkedIn with posts along the lines of "10 things you need to know as a Product Leader" and leaving comments under thought leader pieces etc. Just checked and of course for the last few weeks she's been resharing loads of AI guff.
I understand the need to make yourself look relevant on LinkedIn when you're job hunting, but be honest, if recruitment teams can't see past it, then they deserve each other.
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Post by dmukgr on Apr 4, 2023 14:04:05 GMT
We got AI to try and write a spec for us and then code it up and it actually did a suprisingly decent job at it.
Not enough for me to look forward to retiring on a beach soon, but enough for me to take it more seriously than I was.
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Post by jeepers on Apr 4, 2023 14:14:13 GMT
We got AI to try and write a spec for us and then code it up and it actually did a suprisingly decent job at it. Not enough for me to look forward to retiring on a beach soon, but enough for me to take it more seriously than I was. We’re using it for white collar grunt work (summarise user research sessions, identify themes/insights etc.) and it’s at least as good as a £45k p/year research analyst. I’ve seen it used to follow the double diamond design process from definition thro’ ideation and value measurement and it’s good enough that half my team should be shitting it / upping their game. For anything remotely process based it’s a huge time and money saver if nothing else.
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Post by jeepers on Apr 4, 2023 14:15:02 GMT
And Ui/ID folk are fucked. As they should be.
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Post by rhaegyr on Apr 4, 2023 14:19:10 GMT
I've started to learn coding from scratch over the last few months and I think I've picked the worst time to do it.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Apr 4, 2023 14:23:30 GMT
Bit late to the party but that salary band for the head of Cyber Security is absurd.
I was reminded when I saw an HM Treasury recruitment role with a ridiculously low salary advertised last week.
If you recall the now scrapped plan to release a digital currency well they needed someone to lead on that massive project...
Head of central bank digital currency - £61,260-£66,500 on a 24 month fixed term contract.
Mmmmm I bet they had the best of the best apply for that!
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Post by Psiloc on Apr 4, 2023 15:41:34 GMT
We had a Product Manager leave a few months ago who was genuinely poor at her job. There are good project managers?
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Post by Psiloc on Apr 4, 2023 15:44:26 GMT
I've started to learn coding from scratch over the last few months and I think I've picked the worst time to do it. Or the best. I'd be pretty interested to find out how well AI helps you learn. I'm of the opinion/hope that no matter what, you're always going to need a pretty clued up human involved to babysit it and to actually ask the right questions and then apply it. For the time being anyway.
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Post by 😎 on Apr 4, 2023 15:48:06 GMT
Product Managers aren’t Project Managers.
I find most project managers decent, if they’ve gone through certification and actually have a process and methodology. It’s when you get the accidental project managers where they just wing it every time and lean too much on direct task management, assuming each individual is going to know and understand whatever arbitrary setup they’ve gone for. We’ve just standardized our pppm tools and it’s already paying dividends in identifying who really knows their stuff.
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Post by dmukgr on Apr 4, 2023 15:48:19 GMT
We had a Product Manager leave a few months ago who was genuinely poor at her job. There are good project managers? There really are. Very hard to find but when you do they are worth their weight in gold.
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Post by dmukgr on Apr 4, 2023 15:48:53 GMT
I've started to learn coding from scratch over the last few months and I think I've picked the worst time to do it. Or the best. I'd be pretty interested to find out how well AI helps you learn. I'm of the opinion/hope that no matter what, you're always going to need a pretty clued up human involved to babysit it and to actually ask the right questions and then apply it. For the time being anyway. True that, on both counts.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 4, 2023 17:10:02 GMT
Product Managers aren’t Project Managers. Yah. I’m Product Owner for our forensic tooling and processes. It’s just business speak wankery for ‘person responsible for’
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