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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jun 19, 2024 12:35:16 GMT
It should have been a TV movie. That should just be the tagline of Disney Plus. |
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Post by Saul1138 on Jun 19, 2024 12:41:52 GMT
I remember walking out of TPM, saw another showing was starting forty minutes later. Got a ticket and loved it, despite its faults. It is still the best of the prequels. I had to read that a few times. I thought you meant you walked out disgusted and then quickly thought - nah, I better try again. I remember being quite excited after coming out of a midnight screening for TPM. The first shot of a lightsaber penetrating metal was enough to carry me through the boring bits at the time. The podracing, and duel of fates were all fantastic to see on the big screen. Nope, just enjoyed it that much, and thought I can see that again. It was great being an adult with money and free time. |
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Post by Binky on Jun 19, 2024 13:04:51 GMT
If anyone hasn't started watching The Acolyte yet I would urge just waiting for it all to be available to binge, the pacing of the show is fucking awful and today's episode is less than 30 minutes (once you ignore the titles and credits) but feels so much longer with most of it being meandering tedium and then things actually happen in the last few minutes and ends just as it gets interesting . It should have been a TV movie. Sounds like last week's episode  They really are stretching these episodic series too thin aren't they. |
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 19, 2024 13:14:17 GMT
I'm largely watching now in case Qimir says anything about the Jacksonville Jaguars, it's certainly a step down from the excellently written The Good Place for Manny.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 19, 2024 13:24:47 GMT
It should have been a TV movie. That should just be the tagline of Disney Plus. "Disney Plus: This meeting show could have been a n email movie" |
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Post by Tuffty on Jun 27, 2024 11:28:57 GMT
I don't watch the Acolyte but supposedly the most recent episode is being hailed as a turning point. Also has some of the best lightsaber choreography there's been in quite some time from the clips I've seen
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Post by Binky on Jun 27, 2024 12:05:13 GMT
We watched it last night. It was a turning point in so much as we got some action but that's about it. The cutting between battles/scenes is so quick that it kills the flow. I really hope this isn't a theme we'll be seeing across other shows to bring in the ADHD/TikTok/Reels crowd!
I think if it wasn't for the kids and watching this as a family, I'd properly have zoned out a few eps ago.
It feels like a 90 minute concept stretched across an 8 episode format (again).
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 27, 2024 12:10:04 GMT
The last two episodes have been really strong. The lightsaber fights have indeed been great, some real weight to them and well edited. It continues to look and sound amazing, and I'm fully onboard with it all now. My partner found it slow to get going, and was a bit jaded with it, but is also now fully invested.
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Post by Binky on Jun 27, 2024 12:19:55 GMT
You liked the editing of those fights?
Fair enough.
They do look bloody lovely what with them leaning into the HDR lighting, but the constant zigzagging between the different subplots was annoying for us.
Oh, and the big bad's helmet is great btw!
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 27, 2024 12:31:15 GMT
If nothing else, I’ve never seen that many lightsabers smashed before
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 27, 2024 12:46:13 GMT
Yeah, I was fine with the cutting between scenes. I do get what you are saying, the cuts are more frequent than they are at the end of ROTJ (as an example), but I thought it was easy to follow and you knew where everything was taking place.
When I commented on the editing, it was more the editing of each individual scene than them as a whole - it didn't suffer from constant jumping between bad angles (along with shaky cam) so much action seems to suffer from at the moment.
They had a nice flow and felt dramatic, with high stakes.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jun 27, 2024 13:44:53 GMT
"Basically, there was loads of killings in it"
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 28, 2024 15:50:08 GMT
I just can’t help myself and, after giving up on this, have now watched the latest two episodes.
It definitely improved to the point of being watchable background viewing now, mainly because something is happening and there’s not so much of them talking so the writing is less noticeable.
Jason from The Good Place is extremely distracting though, although he might actually be putting in the best performance out of all of them.
The whole thing didn’t need to be a TV series. As with the rest of their shows (except Andor), there’s a good 2 hour film in there somewhere.
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Post by Nemesis on Jun 28, 2024 22:00:17 GMT
“You guys should listen to me. I came up with thousands of ideas in my life and only one of them got me killed”
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Post by Binky on Jul 12, 2024 8:06:45 GMT
Nearly at the end of Acolyte. On balance, it's definitely one of the weaker entries despite some good turns. It's definitely not the 3/10 that IMDB would lead you to believe.
I was left a little agog when the credits started this week. Has... that ever happened in Star Wars before? Without wanting to sound like a 44 year old white man – I didn't like it.
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Post by gamingdave on Jul 12, 2024 8:56:59 GMT
I've enjoyed it from the start, though it was slow to get going. It's certainly no Andor but I would rank it higher than the other live action series with the exception of The Mandalorian. I like the characters, it looks and sounds fantastic for the most part, and it's not reliant on previous characters or repeating plots.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 12, 2024 9:14:24 GMT
Yeah, on the positive side, it’s not caught in that crappy no-man’s land era the rest of the TV shows are toiling in but it’s major problem is that it’s just a bit shit.
Like it’s not bad Star Wars TV, just bad TV. It feels like it’s been made by people who fundamentally don’t know what they are doing. Tbf, I think part of that is studio mandates to hit episode counts. It clearly has budget but some episodes barely scrape 20 minutes and obviously are a standard length episode shorn in half.
I think it has the bones of something decent but it’s just really badly put together. It doesn’t help that I’m watching it with a person who works in TV production who gives a running commentary on it.
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Post by Binky on Jul 12, 2024 9:20:35 GMT
Yeah the fact it's been stretched to 8 episodes is probably it's biggest downfall. Perhaps the writers strike also contributed, but there's definitely something off about it.
This week's episode added almost nothing and yet it was positioned as some sort of big reveal. Really odd.
That said, I do agree with Dave when he says it looks and sounds fantastic. The lightsaber battles alone are worth watching for. A jedi wookie - yes please. There's lots of good elements that raise it up from where it sits in the IMDB ratings, but pacing and writing are way, way off. It's a shame. I do like what it's trying to do but it's a bit of a mess.
That said, I'm still tuning in with the kids each week!
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 12, 2024 9:38:54 GMT
It does and it doesn’t look good. Like when they went to look for Master Wookie, they clearly took the time and effort to go to a gorgeous looking, actual location and then it immediately cut to them being in a CGI jungle. Just jarring little things like that show how little planning seems to have gone into it.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 12, 2024 12:13:02 GMT
The latest episode just stopping was certainly a choice most shows wouldn't have made, probably because it made no real sense.
A problem I have with the show is it seems to have been cobbled together from footage shot without any real thought, take this week's episode again, did it really add anything to the backstory we saw in episode 3 that they needed to be separate episodes? You could have put that whole part of the story linearly together with the content of both episodes and it wouldn't change anything.
I'm perfectly okay with seeing different perspectives on things that reveal stuff we hadn't realised but it added nothing at all.
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Post by Nemesis on Jul 12, 2024 15:58:13 GMT
“You’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
Bit of a nothing episode that.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 17, 2024 12:36:08 GMT
David Harewood appearing for less than five minutes in the entire show is the best thing about The Acolyte, what an utter mess. |
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Post by TheSaint on Jul 17, 2024 13:24:02 GMT
Obviously, it's not very fashionable to say, but I quite enjoyed it. The pacing is a bit weird at points but you could throw that criticism at almost any show made for streaming.
The fight choreography in this and Ashoka has been top-notch.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 17, 2024 14:08:00 GMT
I think Andor, and probably the first and second seasons of Mando, are the only ones that don’t feel like they’d have been better as a film. Whether that’s a tv movie or a full cinematic release varies but I don’t think action works well when stretched over so many episodes.
Contain them more and have more plot, so it’s somewhere between episode of the week and a series. Andor did that by each set of 3 episodes felt like a film, instead of over 8-12.
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Post by Nemesis on Jul 17, 2024 17:16:20 GMT
I keep forgetting which is the good twin and which is the bad.
Thank God they dressed in black and white just so I’d remember.
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Post by Nemesis on Jul 17, 2024 17:18:16 GMT
It was …… OK.
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Post by Saul1138 on Jul 17, 2024 18:15:27 GMT
I really enjoyed it. There are issues, pacing, as mentioned. And it was nowhere near the level of excellence that Was Andor, Rogue One or TESB. But it got better as it went one. Plenty of fan service for those that followed the EU. It was probably a 7.5 out of 10 series. It had so many subtle moments to tie it into the larger established series. I would hope that there is more of this.
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Post by zephro on Jul 17, 2024 22:11:30 GMT
I'd have probably enjoyed it more if there was Carrie Ann Moss. As Titus Pullo being in Asohka elevated that for me. Thirteen! Thirteen!
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Post by Binky on Jul 18, 2024 8:07:55 GMT
Finished it last night and overall I'd say it was a confused mess, with moments of brilliance. Bit like the England football team tbh.
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Post by gamingdave on Jul 18, 2024 8:55:31 GMT
I'm in the camp that enjoyed it, though I do accept not everything quite ties together as satisfyingly as the best shows.
The format (as mentioned) that Andor follows, feeling like each 2hr block is it's own film works really well and they could do with following that more, but I do like these stories being told as series, given more room to breath.
Streaming gives them complete freedom with run-times. They could be making 4 episode series, or series with episodes varying in length. But with these shows it often feel like theres an extra episode, or padding in a couple, which has come about because they are trying to make a set number of fixed length episodes. I know this had some slight variance in show length, but hardly much.
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