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Post by Whizzo on Feb 7, 2024 11:36:18 GMT
"How shall we get this kid out of a high security Imperial base?"
"I know, hide her under your coat, it's such a fucking stupid idea I'm sure it'll work."
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Post by britesparc on Feb 7, 2024 12:09:29 GMT
Obi-Wan started incredibly strongly with its Leia storyline but fell off a cliff midway once he hooked up with the Rebels. And I'm sorry to say I really didn't like the final duel.
I think a sort of Lone Wolf and Cub story where Obi-Wan remains a super powerful Jedi but he doesn't want to reveal his powers, and he's escorting Little Leia but trying to hide her identity, would have been sufficient basis for six episodes.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 7, 2024 13:08:33 GMT
I usually like McGregor, but his Obi-wan was always a bit shit in the prequel movies, coming across more as a dodgy Alec McGuiness impression than an actual performance. *
Did the show, with its increased length and his increased age, manage to have him actually own the character?
*slightly redeemed by being marginally less shit than almost everyone else in the prequels, except Christopher Lee.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 7, 2024 15:41:01 GMT
I imagine that pretty much every complaint you have about his performance in the prequels is down to the direction or lack thereof.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 7, 2024 18:17:41 GMT
I’d like an Obi Wan series that explains why Luke, and not Leia, was the one he decided should stop Vader.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 8, 2024 2:07:58 GMT
I imagine that pretty much every complaint you have about his performance in the prequels is down to the direction or lack thereof. That's kinda where I'm coming from. In the TV show, with different direction, did his performance improve? |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 8, 2024 19:12:09 GMT
I’d like an Obi Wan series that explains why Luke, and not Leia, was the one he decided should stop Vader. I mean, the real answer to this question is because when they made the first Star Wars Leia wasn't his sister and Darth Vader wasn't his dad, so any answer is going to be some retroactive, hand-wavey, vaguely unsatisfying thing that you just kinda need to shrug and live with. But also Obi-Wan is a big old sexist. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 9, 2024 2:03:39 GMT
To be fair to Obi-wan, he never met Leia in the movies.
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Post by Saul1138 on Feb 9, 2024 4:39:38 GMT
To be fair to Obi-wan, he never met Leia in the movies. And in the OT he never knew that there was another new hope. Yoda kept that to himself, the cheeky minx. Though I can understand why he would keep a future hope of the galaxy from a younger Ewan. George was specific the TPM be the first film where Ewan kept his clothes on. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 9, 2024 9:42:06 GMT
Empire teasing something Star Wars/Obi-Wan related for tomorrow.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 9, 2024 10:07:24 GMT
Are they going to announce that they've abolished the senate and now regional governors will have direct control?
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 9, 2024 10:38:25 GMT
That's the dream!
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Post by Lizard on Feb 9, 2024 10:39:06 GMT
Devolution!
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 9, 2024 16:11:19 GMT
Empire teasing something Star Wars/Obi-Wan related for tomorrow. I hope no-one got their hopes up. |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 10, 2024 14:04:45 GMT
I have these great memories of walking over to the shops in 1997 to pick up the "20th anniversary of Star Wars" special issue of Empire, the first time I remember them doing multiple covers (I bought Han Solo like a basic bitch). And now here we are, 25 years since The Phantom Menace.
When 900 years old you are, etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2024 15:12:21 GMT
I saw TPM at The Odeon in Manchester with about 20 workmates. Very very upsetting. The Sega Rally 2 in the foyer was the overwhelming highlight.
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Post by geefe on Feb 10, 2024 19:53:23 GMT
Younger generations seem to revere the prequels. Fuck knows why. I struggle to find redeeming features in any of them.
Though I caveat that with I've only seen each one once, properly and the other times were usually "oh look it's on ITV, I'll leave it on" but it gets ditched about 20 mins later cause it's shit.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 10, 2024 20:22:15 GMT
A combination of the mass of memes coming from the Prequel trilogy, lack of nostalgia for the Original trilogy (for better or worse) and the general perception that the Sequel trilogy is the worst of the three now, I think.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 10, 2024 20:26:26 GMT
I was at the older end of being the right age when they came out (11 for Phantom Menace) and I liked them quite a bit at the time. Not as much as the originals, of course, but I still loved them.
Probably helped that I didn't really watch many films until I was an adult, so didn't have many good films to compare them to. By the time I actually did start watching more objectively good films, I quickly realised they were pretty shit. I could watch them now (well, Attack of the Clones is a struggle), but certainly wouldn't in anyway describe them as good.
The sequel trilogy entries are certainly much better made films and I would rate both Force Awakens and The Last Jedi much higher than any of the prequel films. The trilogy as a whole is a much bigger mess though and Rise of Skywalker rivals Clones for worst in the franchise.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 10, 2024 20:27:21 GMT
Imagine if in a few decades we get a generation that finds the Original too old and the Prequel memes too stupid and therefore the Sequel trilogy is the best (because of course the After-sequel trilogy is now the worst)
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Post by bichii2 on Feb 10, 2024 20:28:05 GMT
because of course the After-sequel trilogy is now the worst
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 10, 2024 20:30:15 GMT
because of course the After-sequel trilogy is now the worst ?? I meant that, since we're talking about a hypothetical few decades later, they'd probably have come out with another trilogy for people to hate by then  |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 10, 2024 21:00:13 GMT
I was 17 when Phantom came out and I really, really like the prequels. I can see all the flaws everyone else can but I just find them incredibly exciting and entertaining to watch.
I don't know if they generally "as good" as the sequels but I'd definitely rather watch them.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 10, 2024 22:12:14 GMT
I think we’ve done this countless times but yeah, the prequel films are not good but they have something going for them. Another few drafts and a different director and there’s enough there that could have been good.
It helps them look good when Episode 9 showed how much worse it could be.
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Post by technoish on Feb 10, 2024 22:41:24 GMT
I think my problem was my extended experience of star wars world was TIE Fighter and Dark Forces. While TPM leant into very different parts of star wars - including the Jedi mumbo jumbo.
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Post by Lizard on Feb 10, 2024 22:50:04 GMT
Even TLJ is better than any of the prequel trilogy. Although I accept that the prequel trilogy is more coherent.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 10, 2024 23:16:30 GMT
See, The Last Jedi is the only sequel movie I really like.
My love of the prequels is partly because it did something different, and partly because I just dig the Jedi. I want more stuff set during the Republic. Give me a Jedi procedural show, where every week a Jedi Master and their Padawan rock up on some new planet and sort out some shit. Columbo with a lightsaber. Bring it on.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 11, 2024 1:35:09 GMT
I must admit to enjoying The Phantom Menace when I first saw it.
We'd been waiting soooo long for another star wars movie and there was so much hype. It was one of the few times I went to the cinema with a huge bunch of mates, so we were all hyped up before and after. We went to watch it on a big screen in London.
Plus the graphics, at the time, were pretty amazing and seeing the Jedi be badasses and the maul fight with Duel of the Fates was pretty epic.
I think all those moments overwhelmed the rubbish bits. (though even then it was annoying when they kept cutting away from the maul fight for the anakin/jar-jar comedy bits)
Then I bought the dvds, and rewatching them on a tv at home revealed a lot of the flaws and I went off them dramatically.
Rewatching them recently with the kids I actually enjoyed them more than I expected. Maybe I've become immune to the awful acting and dialogue through repeated exposure, or maybe my expectations were pretty low.
They still aren't half as good as any of the OT though, and I have no nostalgia or attachment to any of the characters.
I haven't watched it, but it also seems like the Clone Wars tv show redeemed them in the eyes of a lot of that generation, because it sounds like it basically did it all again, but better.
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Post by Saul1138 on Feb 11, 2024 5:19:28 GMT
The Clone Wars TV show was awesome. It fleshed out characters and motivations much more. I like the Prequels, and don’t like things that require more research to better understand, but TCW is needed to understand Anakin better. The films failed in that regard. As did TRoS, after it decided to redeem Kylo. A pure evil, sonnofabith, character in the final part, (With no Palpatine), was what we deserved.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 14, 2024 8:34:42 GMT
Asking the important questions now
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