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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 15:48:26 GMT
I’m probably going to get pelters for this but Rise of the Skywalker is significantly better than I remembered. I’ve really enjoyed it this afternoon. Negatives: setting up the principal villain via Fortnite. The Sith armada and presumably multi-million strong army basically coming out of nowhere. Each ship having Death Star powers is like something I’d have dreamt up playing with my SW toys when I was about 8. Boarding a ship in mid-flight with a landing party of space horses. Johnson and Abrams clearly having different visions for the series and working to undo or ignore each others contributions. Positives: visually very impressive, Abrams can direct a big exciting action sequence like surprisingly few have managed over the course of the series. The Rey/Ren bond was well told (until they kissed anyway), Lando coming back to complete the nostalgia trip. Chewie’s reaction to Leia’s death was one of the most heartfelt moments of the whole series. In general: the Emperor being the villain in this one worked much better than I remembered, even with him attached to a big GLADOS arm. It would make sense too since he’s been the one constant baddie across the entire timeline. Its just a shame it felt like they hadn’t actually planned it that way from the start and he only got on the whiteboard after TLJ was released. I don’t think Johnson having Ren tell Rey she was no one was misdirection, I think it was canon for Johnson and Abrams retconned if for this movie. Lucas would definitely have had that final scene be a full team vision of everyone from Qui Gon onwards rather than just Luke and Leia. Although it might’ve been nice to see Ren again. He was probably off with his new black metal band  |
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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 15:51:56 GMT
Overall, I think doing a full timeline rewatch over about a week has made me feel a lot more positively to some of the more maligned parts of the series. It also helps show off just how many commonalities there are across the years in terms of whats good and bad in each film often being quite similar.
It definitely helped those last three that Adam Driver is such a good actor too.
And of course, the more practical effects the better.
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Post by kal on Nov 8, 2022 15:53:28 GMT
I don’t think it was misdirection. It was pretty obvious JJ had a plan, which RJ didn’t like so changed it, and then JJ didn’t like that so he changed it again.
As said the biggest issue with the sequels is the lack of pre-planed arch across them. It absolutely blows my mind that they didn’t do this. But that aside I think each of the films probably has more bad than good, and I’d rather watch any of them than any of the prequels.
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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 15:59:41 GMT
Its baffling that there wasn’t a mood board at Disney HQ with an arc for these films planned out on it.
Or that they couldn’t at least hire directors who agreed with each other’s plans.
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Post by kal on Nov 8, 2022 16:02:02 GMT
I’m a bit lost with what happens now with the franchise. I know all sorts of things have been cancelled. The talk of a Star Wars film every year forever seems to have been forgotten. But is there anything on the soonish horizon?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:03:57 GMT
Seems like they've just moved to TV shows for now, the film stuff as all been put on hold.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Nov 8, 2022 16:04:49 GMT
Ah yes television, the true home of Star…Wars?
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Post by gamingdave on Nov 8, 2022 16:07:16 GMT
Totally agree that the lack of planning was a staggering mistake. That, or it was planned, but RJ was allowed to go off in his own direction. Either way, for such a massive franchise that just seems like a mad approach which was never going to work out well.
They really were disappointing, but haven't lessened my love for the others so it's not a major loss.
Personally, really enjoyed Mando and Andor is up there with the best Star Wars, so would be more than happy for them to leave films alone now. Though, if the final act of Andor was shown in the cinema, I'd be there in a flash.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 8, 2022 16:18:31 GMT
I genuinely dont think this would happen again. They clearly made them because they had to rather than wanted to. They have a couple of house styles and templates to work from now and all that caper so, if nothing else, I dont think they would ever just YOLO three random movies out and call it a trilogy again.
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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 16:22:38 GMT
The biggest strength of the sequel trilogy for me was how strong the visual design and effects were. With only a couple of exceptions (both types of space horse, the casino planet being very prequel, the cgi zombies of Cushing and Fisher) the all three combined practical and cgi in a way that fit naturally and felt like a proper continuation of the design style of the original trilogy.
I hope they’ve got some plans for the future beyond colouring in every inch of space between the existing films.
I said a page or two ago that I think going Old Republic as in hundreds of years ago could be a good way of creating narrative space to tell a story as big as they want without continuing nerds crying over every detail. It worked well for KOTOR and you could tell some epic legendary Jedi exploits in the process.
Unless they’ve got a very good reason to I think it’d be a mistake to tell another Jedi story set after Rise. Ren’s final act seems like it brought the balance to the force that the whole nine film arc was about and it was proper closure there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2022 16:23:56 GMT
I've said it before but honestly just hand the keys to the showrunners for Andor. I'd fucking love a trilogy in their style. Although apparently the viewing figures are shit and there seems to be some kind of a wave of mass hysteria consensus that the prequels aren't shit so gods knows what well end up with next.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Nov 8, 2022 16:27:30 GMT
I’m just happy Andor exists at all. It reminded me of how cool I used to think Star Wars was.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 8, 2022 16:28:30 GMT
I completely disagree. It doesnt necessarily have to be epoch defining stakes all the time. The galaxy far, far away is big enough to be able to a handle a few stories where the fate of the force and known existence doesnt hang in the balance.
I think a reset and move forward is what it needs. Even if you go Old Republic, there will be a temptation to just make boring, 'easter egg' dense stuff we have seen a thousand times and/or focus on Lukes great, great, great grandfather.
And the first thing it needs to do is move away from force families.
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Post by kal on Nov 8, 2022 16:30:19 GMT
I do wonder whether actual remakes are something they’ll do at some point. Must be tempting.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 8, 2022 16:33:40 GMT
At the very least, I genuinely cant believe D+ havent remastered and released the unmolested OT. That seems like such an absolute tap in to create buzz, goodwill and so on and so forth.
I can only assume those extra 2 minutes have become immutable canon or something ridiculous.
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Post by kal on Nov 8, 2022 16:34:17 GMT
Don’t they literally not exist anymore?
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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 16:36:22 GMT
I’m kind of surprised there’s only one modern-ish animated movie. Its shite but it seems like a way they could pile out a bunch of stories adjacent to what we’ve already got.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Nov 8, 2022 16:38:25 GMT
Don’t they literally not exist anymore? George Lucas said he destroyed the masters beyond recovery when he was making the special editions. That’s some horrific cultural vandalism if true. |
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Post by Reviewer on Nov 8, 2022 16:38:35 GMT
I think they’re still trying to work out what it’s worth doing with the films but the continued lack of cinema attendance, partly because of a lack of big films, isn’t making them rush it.
I’m hoping they find someone with a strong vision to run the film side. It does feel like they’d have to be pretty big and ‘important’ for them to make one. I don’t think Kathleen Kennedy is working out for them at the moment in charge of it all.
Tony Gilroy, Favreau or Filloni seen the more obvious fits based on what they’ve done so far.
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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 16:39:45 GMT
Wasn’t there a story about Kennedy getting slapped on the wrist because everything she announced was falling through?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 8, 2022 18:23:03 GMT
Don’t they literally not exist anymore? George Lucas said he destroyed the masters beyond recovery when he was making the special editions. That’s some horrific cultural vandalism if true. Surely there must be enough cans of film out there to run through the digitron? |
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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 18:28:33 GMT
George Lucas said he destroyed the masters beyond recovery when he was making the special editions. That’s some horrific cultural vandalism if true. Surely there must be enough cans of film out there to run through the digitron? Remember that fad for getting like five frames of film framed as a Father’s Day present? Time for the reunion. |
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Post by Vandelay on Nov 8, 2022 18:29:20 GMT
I don't think they have shelfed the film's completely. I recall reading a recent interview with Rian Johnson and he said he is still talking with them and his trilogy is still likely to happen at some point, once his focus isn't on Knives Out.
I expect the GoT showrunners' films may not happen though.
As far as I know, Star Wars seems to have done fairly well on Disney+ (hadn't heard about poor figures for Andor, something I am contributing to by having not started it yet - I wonder how many others are waiting for it to be all available). I expect there isn't a massive appetite to get back in theatres when the last couple haven't done Marvel numbers.
Hopefully they hold off a bit, continue with some TV shows (and some games, it seems) then announce a big trilogy that is being made by a consistent team back to back.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 8, 2022 18:30:38 GMT
Heh, I think I have one from empire strikes back they gave away with SFX somewhere. 1/24th of a second down….
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 8, 2022 18:44:18 GMT
The thing that annoys about the sequel trilogy so much is that it was clearly being made up as it was going on, absolutely no planning of how the trilogy should pan out and it ended up a mess.
I was prepared to ignore how The Force Awakens was just a retread of Star Wars but even that has a lot of flaws. Phasma surrendering and shutting things down made no bloody sense at all for a true believer for a start.
I've no idea how Colin Traverow's end to the trilogy would have been but it couldn't been as bad as TRoS. Although after the last two Jurassic World movies maybe it could have been complete shit.
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Post by simple on Nov 8, 2022 18:55:26 GMT
Bad news mate, its worse than you think. There are three Jurassic World films not just two!
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Post by Whizzo on Nov 8, 2022 19:53:06 GMT
The first one was fine, not great but a hell of a lot better than the sequels.
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Post by Saul1138 on Nov 9, 2022 2:41:57 GMT
I know TLJ is a Marmite film, but for me it was brilliant for the most part. The slow chase grates a little. Considering a lone fighter took out the cannons on the Dreadnought at the start, the First Order fighters should have been deployed to make it more tense. It wasn’t like the Resistance could launch their ships. But it set up so many potential possibilities.
But RoS was just a mess with some nice set pieces. And it is a shame. I love most things Star Wars, and can still watch the sequels, but it is nowhere near as good as it could have been.
But there is a whole universe out there, and the TV is full of promise. But please, no old republic shite. I don’t want super hero Jedi and Sith.
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Post by rhaegyr on Nov 9, 2022 10:58:16 GMT
I dunno, if there was no Jedi/Sith conflict I'd find the franchise quite boring.
Probably why I don't get on with Rogue One.
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Post by beastmaster on Nov 9, 2022 11:10:27 GMT
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