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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 10, 2023 10:02:12 GMT
It's fairly standard practice to have statements from family, friends or colleagues.
Murderers, rapists, bank robbers. Whatever the crime it's part of a defence. Implying that they are at fault is akin to blaming his lawyer.
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Post by Zuluhero on Sept 10, 2023 10:09:20 GMT
It's kinda hard to take that tweat seriously with that profile picture 😅
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 10, 2023 10:10:04 GMT
/preapes first draft of letter of support for user Load
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Post by Onny on Sept 10, 2023 12:32:54 GMT
It's fairly standard practice to have statements from family, friends or colleagues. Murderers, rapists, bank robbers. Whatever the crime it's part of a defence. Implying that they are at fault is akin to blaming his lawyer. Not really. Your lawyer is intended to be your voice in court. They get paid to put across your defence, shit as it might be. It’s their job. This was a choice by both Kunis and Kutcher. They don’t get paid for it. They aren’t under any obligations. They have chosen to write to the judge to try to shorten the sentence of their friend, the rapist, saying hey he ain’t so bad except for the raping. So fuck em. |
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 10, 2023 12:46:47 GMT
I don't think it's part of the defence, per se - more like an aspect of the post-verdict, pre-sentencing machinations on behalf of the convicted.
While I understand wanting to be loyal to your friend, especially when you believe he's innocent, Kunis and Kutcher both submitted those letters to the court of their own accord.
They can't be all, like, "Please don't be too harsh on Rapey McRaperson, Mr. Judge, sir - he doesn't take drugs, and he's a really good friend!" and expect everyone to be fine with it.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 10, 2023 13:03:55 GMT
It's a process that is part of most trials. To the best of my knowledge they are only supposed to be read by a judge, certainly they aren't meant to be public statements or a defense of his actions.
His lawyer's statement is "Though we have great respect for the jury in this case and for our system of justice overall, sometimes they get it wrong," she said. "And that's what happened here." Masterson "did not commit the crimes for which he has been convicted and we—and the appellate lawyers—the best and the brightest in the country—are confident that these convictions will be overturned."
He's blatantly stating the victims are either liars or confused. Making that statement is part of his job, does that make him a bad person? He didn't have to take the case or agree to appeal.
A trial like this is going to be ugly and people will find elements of the legal process distasteful. If you feel character statements shouldn't be submitted as part of sentencing fine but I don't think attacking colleagues, friends or family who are following an established legal process is beneficial to anyone.
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Post by Ulythium on Sept 10, 2023 13:14:17 GMT
She's a defence lawyer, so - as you say - that's part and parcel of her job. It doesn't make her a bad person, but if she wasn't willing to make public statements like that in defence of her client, she'd be in the wrong line of work.
Kunis and Kutcher are third parties who got involved of their own volition. I don't think sending those letters makes either of them bad people, and I sure as hell don't think they should be attacked for doing so, but they're Hollywood stars and, unfortunately, this kind of thing goes with the territory.
If people have opinions about the clothes they wear, the coffee shops they frequent, the sports teams they follow, and whatever other minutiae the public gets worked up about where celebrities are concerned, did they not foresee the possibility that vouching for their *convicted rapist* friend/ex-colleague would elicit commentary from the Twitterati?
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 10, 2023 13:18:10 GMT
What I would say is their letters contain phrases that are eye raising.
Although they aren't meant to be published they could have been less provocative.
But I've never read one before so don't have any basis for comparison.
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Post by kal on Sept 10, 2023 13:42:58 GMT
Lawyers have an obligation to provide the best possible defence for their client. There’s no obligation to be a character witness.
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Post by kal on Sept 10, 2023 14:03:50 GMT
Worth having a look at some of the stuff Chrissie Bixler (the accuser who he wasn’t found guilty of raping in her sleep because they were dating) is posting on social media. She’s heavily implying Kutcher is somewhat complicit, and that Kunis is a victim in denial.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 10, 2023 14:23:41 GMT
I don't think the issue is that they submitted statements, it's that they said/think this about someone convicted of multiple rapes
“I wholeheartedly vouch for Danny Masterson’s exceptional character and the tremendous positive influence he has had on me and the people around him. His dedication to leading a drug-free life and the genuine care he extends to others make him an outstanding role model and friend."
Exceptional character? Genuine care he extends to others?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 10, 2023 14:25:29 GMT
Technically he has led a drug free life, he just used drugs on his victims. What a standup guy.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 10, 2023 15:39:51 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 10, 2023 15:40:48 GMT
Lawyers have an obligation to provide the best possible defence for their client. There’s no obligation to be a character witness. No, I assume this is all about the appeal. |
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Post by geefe on Sept 10, 2023 21:45:20 GMT
As I mentioned, the gossip at the time was that Topher didn't like any of them and they thought he was a dick. Perhaps there's a very strong reason he didn't get on with them |
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Post by Lizard on Sept 10, 2023 21:55:30 GMT
He wasn't a good-hearted rapist like Masterton
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Post by Danno on Sept 10, 2023 23:03:38 GMT
He wasn't a good-hearted rapist like Masterton I was about to like this but fucking hell. Good post, Lizard |
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Post by Danno on Sept 10, 2023 23:05:42 GMT
And the "sincerity" on the Kutcher/Kunis video. If they think that's damage limitation then I have a nuke to sell them
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 10, 2023 23:11:42 GMT
Topher is a really wanky shortening of Christopher
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Post by cubby on Sept 11, 2023 5:39:49 GMT
If only there was some other way you could shorten Christopher, but christ nows it's not coming to me.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 11, 2023 6:02:02 GMT
Christ.
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Post by geefe on Sept 11, 2023 6:02:53 GMT
Ristoph
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Post by askew on Sept 11, 2023 6:34:15 GMT
Xtoph
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Post by nexus6 on Sept 11, 2023 6:46:11 GMT
Stop
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 11, 2023 7:33:29 GMT
We can’t- we’ve popped now.
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Post by nexus6 on Sept 12, 2023 11:43:14 GMT
So Fluke Skywalker, celebrity cosplayer and fundraiser for sick kids has killed himself after being arrested for kiddie fiddling
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 12, 2023 11:45:20 GMT
Oh fuck.
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Post by cubby on Sept 12, 2023 12:05:57 GMT
Seems to be a common theme raising money for children.
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Post by dogbot on Sept 12, 2023 12:09:03 GMT
Blimey
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 12, 2023 12:29:48 GMT
Seems to be a common theme raising money for children. Savile literally saw it as a way of balancing his Karma. |
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