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Post by clemfandango on Nov 29, 2022 8:15:33 GMT
All the evidence is out there, why the police aren’t doing an independent investigation is beyond me. The system It’s so blatant rigged for the media power players
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2022 8:22:47 GMT
While we’re on beloved media figures, are we still giving John Peel a pass despite hosting ‘schoolgirl of the week’ segments and writing in his own biography of getting up to no good with teenagers in the 60s and maybe 70s?
He did play some important records afterall
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 29, 2022 9:28:17 GMT
In 1975 he apparently told The Guardian "All they wanted me to do was abuse them, sexually, which, of course, I was only too happy to do".
Also from the dubious source of information that is wikipedia:
In an interview with The Sunday Correspondent in 1989, Peel stated, "Girls used to queue up outside. By and large not usually for shagging. Oral sex they were particularly keen on, I remember. [...] One of my, er, regular customers, as it were, turned out to be 13, though she looked older."
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His first marriage to Shirley Anne Milburn in 1965 has been cited as an example of misconduct as she was 15 years old when they wed, while he was 25. The marriage, which occurred in Texas, was legal at the time.
So yeah, massive nonce.
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2022 9:37:42 GMT
I’m pretty sure the oral story is in his first autobiography. I’ve definitely read all three of those before in either articles or his book.
Definitely paedo behaviour wherever it was reported.
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Post by mothercruncher on Nov 29, 2022 11:37:42 GMT
Yep, and ITV protecting their “star”.
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Post by deebs on Nov 29, 2022 13:12:15 GMT
Forgot about Peel. I think the entirety of the late 60s, through the 70s and into the 80s were wall to wall nonce.
I bet the Beatles and Stones were knee deep in pre-teens. Actually they're probably who that dude is trying to take down.
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2022 13:44:40 GMT
Genuine question - given the society of the time, how much of it is comparable to what we now see as abuse and grooming and how much of it is "well, if she's game then I am"?
Especially when you see the response the likes of the Beatles and such got from teenage girls, which I don't think boybands get these days.
I know of a footballer who was MASSIVE in the 70s and had girls of 14-17 lobbing themselves at him, even into his 30s and 40s and he never said no.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 29, 2022 13:55:27 GMT
It has been and always will be about power, no matter the time. They were paedos then and they're paedos now. It's not as if it's the feudal times we're taking about here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 13:58:25 GMT
It's got to be a bit.
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2022 14:35:19 GMT
And then you’ve got the stories of Jimmy Page flying out a 14 yr old and “sharing” her around other rockstars of the time like Bowie.
As if being in Led Zeppelin in the 70s couldn’t get you all the adult women you’d think a man could want if sex is all they wanted.
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Post by deebs on Nov 29, 2022 15:52:15 GMT
Genuine question - given the society of the time, how much of it is comparable to what we now see as abuse and grooming and how much of it is "well, if she's game then I am"? Especially when you see the response the likes of the Beatles and such got from teenage girls, which I don't think boybands get these days. I know of a footballer who was MASSIVE in the 70s and had girls of 14-17 lobbing themselves at him, even into his 30s and 40s and he never said no. I think it's less what happened back then as much as what they might still be up to today. Active is the key word. I bet Take That has a few skeletons too. |
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2022 16:06:49 GMT
It has been and always will be about power, no matter the time. They were paedos then and they're paedos now. It's not as if it's the feudal times we're taking about here. Is it though? For sure, some of them but given all the different attractions and shit people have, some of them must just...you know...fancy kids. What do we do about that, as a society? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 16:16:15 GMT
Genuine question - given the society of the time, how much of it is comparable to what we now see as abuse and grooming and how much of it is "well, if she's game then I am"? Especially when you see the response the likes of the Beatles and such got from teenage girls, which I don't think boybands get these days. I know of a footballer who was MASSIVE in the 70s and had girls of 14-17 lobbing themselves at him, even into his 30s and 40s and he never said no. Yeah, I have a friend in her 50s now who often talks fondly about being mid teens and hanging outside concerts then banging famous guys. She genuinely doesn't get that this might be a bad thing. She laughs at the thought she was abused. My parents have the same mindset, and are shocked it is seen as paedo stuff, it was just the done thing. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 29, 2022 16:22:24 GMT
It has been and always will be about power, no matter the time. They were paedos then and they're paedos now. It's not as if it's the feudal times we're taking about here. Is it though? For sure, some of them but given all the different attractions and shit people have, some of them must just...you know...fancy kids. What do we do about that, as a society? Ok, think about it. Really think about it. Are young people very impressionable? Are they commonly looking for validation? Are they constantly looking to be viewed older than they actually are? Think about it and come back and tell me again why you think someone might pursue a child in a sexual way. |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 29, 2022 16:23:31 GMT
See also sexual abuse in the workplace. My mum thought it was perfectly ok to have her arse slapped/pinched/leered at when at work. Thought the whole Me Too movement was a fuss over nothing.
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Post by geefe on Nov 29, 2022 16:39:21 GMT
Is it though? For sure, some of them but given all the different attractions and shit people have, some of them must just...you know...fancy kids. What do we do about that, as a society? Ok, think about it. Really think about it. Are young people very impressionable? Are they commonly looking for validation? Are they constantly looking to be viewed older than they actually are? Think about it and come back and tell me again why you think someone might pursue a child in a sexual way. While I can see that, my point still stands. Like...what is in place to deal with that? What is the root cause? What do we do about these people? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 16:40:25 GMT
Come up with ideas on an obscure gaming forum.
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Post by simple on Nov 29, 2022 16:43:58 GMT
Ok, think about it. Really think about it. Are young people very impressionable? Are they commonly looking for validation? Are they constantly looking to be viewed older than they actually are? Think about it and come back and tell me again why you think someone might pursue a child in a sexual way. While I can see that, my point still stands. Like...what is in place to deal with that? What is the root cause? What do we do about these people? Lengthy contracts with terrestrial broadcasters usually |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 29, 2022 16:44:48 GMT
Gelding
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Post by Lizard on Nov 29, 2022 16:49:13 GMT
Make kids less sexy
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Post by Lukus on Nov 29, 2022 16:58:49 GMT
So Dougs' mum had a slappable ass...
But yeah, I guess it's just good that perceptions have changed a lot lately. I worked in a job years ago where pretty much all the women there told me about the company owner being a wrong'un and slapping their asses on occasion and making inappropriate comments.
Because they were all well over fifty and from that generation they just kind of accepted it.
Incidentally, I got fired from that job after getting into a massive argument with him (about another thing) and then when it became apparent there was no going back, letting him know EXACTLY what I thought of him.
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Post by kal on Nov 29, 2022 17:07:01 GMT
Ok, think about it. Really think about it. Are young people very impressionable? Are they commonly looking for validation? Are they constantly looking to be viewed older than they actually are? Think about it and come back and tell me again why you think someone might pursue a child in a sexual way. While I can see that, my point still stands. Like...what is in place to deal with that? What is the root cause? What do we do about these people? The root cause of actual paedophilia is usually paedophilia. Abusers of that kind are usually victims of abuse themselves. Acting on those urges of course is vile, but there is an argument that people who have those urges and don’t act on them should be given empathy and even sympathy, and whatever help they need. |
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Post by geefe on Nov 30, 2022 22:52:12 GMT
Went down a rabbit hole today which started with Simpsons and ended up at Gary Glitter. Realised I wasn't actually familiar with any of his work.
Anyway, turns out he was on This is Your Life in the early 90s and his partner was on about how he'd invite the local teenagers round. At that point he chuckles and shushes her.
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Post by cubby on Nov 30, 2022 22:58:10 GMT
Ah the old Simpsons to Gary Glitter trajectory.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 30, 2022 23:12:41 GMT
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Post by Lukus on Nov 30, 2022 23:18:37 GMT
With hindsight, they really shouldn't have put Glitter in control of the cards
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Post by geefe on Dec 1, 2022 10:15:14 GMT
We really did enjoy giving paedos the power over public advice, didn't we?
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Post by Nemesis on Dec 1, 2022 13:18:26 GMT
I thought he had a bucket of lube there.
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Post by Zuluhero on Dec 2, 2022 0:17:41 GMT
It puts the lotion in the basket or it gets the hose again...
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Post by Zuluhero on Dec 2, 2022 0:19:41 GMT
I mean, how could people look at that and not automatically think 'sexual predetor'?
Do you want to be in my gang? No thanks...
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