Celebrity Paedogeddon and old men yelling at clouds

I've heard this line a lot, sort of along the lines of "well they're both pretty trashy", "they're both as bad as each other", "sounds like they deserve each other", and it really bothers me.

I'm not entirely sure what it's founded on for a start. It takes for granted the claims that Depp was abusive (REALLY abusive according to the claims, rape with a broken bottle, repeated pummellings etc) but then takes any counter claim that she was abusive as some form of balance to the claims against him. "Oh well it sounds like they both fought each other". Bear in mind there's only recordings of her admitting that she hit him, none of the other way around.

The recordings repeatedly tell a completely different story, that Depp would leave arguments, either leave the room or the building, and this would make Heard angry. She would end up throwing stuff at him or hitting him, and following him to continue the argument. A lot of the recordings have been played in court (one of the most helpful can't be played in full because Jerry Judge died in 2019, but he's caught on one of Heard's own recordings explaining how she'd flipped out yet again and thrown stuff at Depp and it led to him getting his finger cut off). They've even played them in front of Heard and while it's blatantly apparent what's happening in them, that she's barricading him in and refusing to let him go, screaming at him that she's dying because he wants to leave to get some space, she then turns to the jury and says that she was afraid of him leaving because she knew he was going off to take drugs, which will mean that he'll come back and be abusive. It's essentially telling the jury not to believe their own ears stuff, a real form of gaslighting in real time.

To be fair, she wasn't crying on the stand. There were no tears. But more telling than that she would get emotional in very very short bursts, and then flip back to normal very quickly. It was really apparent that she was putting on a performance because she would often listen to the question from the lawyer with a straight face, turn her head to the jury and lock on to them, and then start pulling out the emotions. Even one of her own witnesses, in her deposition her acting coach said that Heard had difficulty crying in her acting. I have no idea why they put that in there because they could have just edited it out.

Anyway, her testimony really didn't help her at all. She kept staring at the jury for minutes at a time while the lawyers sidebarred with the judge, and she never took responsibility for anything in her testimony. She even threw her own sister under the bus when saying that she was the one who taught Depp to snort cocaine with a tampon applicator. 

I think it's the hypocrisy that's generated a lot of the anger here. We would know nothing about this had she not made the allegations against Depp in the first place. She could have taken her $7 million divorce settlement, claimed that she gave it all away to the ACLU and the childrens hospital, and kept it to herself, and no one would be any the wiser. But she didn't, and now it's all coming out.

Yeah it's nasty. But sometimes nasty needs to be seen. Depp ain't a saint, but he's not claiming to be. He's owned up to taking shit loads of drugs all his life and having some issues. Heard hasn't owned up to anything, she's deflected almost everything to be someone else's fault. She thinks that pledging money and donating money are synonymous.

I've got people in my life who twist reality like this, and honestly it's a relief to see this behaviour exposed publicly. 

Who'd have thought you could make genuinely hilarious outake compilations of Heard, Depp and Heards lawyers, who have been absolutely incompetent at times, one time even objecting to their own question, with Heard's peculiar in-court 'sniffing', 'crying' and brilliant smell the fart acting and Depps thoughtful and sometimes very funny responses it's been a blast. Clearly two very fucked up individuals and an insight to how this set live their lives, I've quite enjoyed it. I might have a mega pint tonight.

That can still be abusive in a relationship

The guy is a fucking mess, and has been for years. Which isn't to say that he did all the specific bad things that Heard accused him of (I'm still undecided), or that he's the more guilty party in this whole affair (he probably isn't), but it's still a horror show.

And tbh it's far more than I ever wanted to know. This feels like something that should be handled privately, instead of... this.

It is bizarrely compelling but probably for all the wrong reasons.   Probably staged by the lizard people to distract us from the shit show of governments around the world.  Us plebs lap it up.  

I have watched far too much of it. That said I've learnt a lot about law stuff, as I've been watching it with lawyers commenting on it.

It's not always that easy though is it, nor do people always want help. You can't make someone stop taking drugs. Addicts can also be very manipulative. That's a very simplistic take on it

They're both abusive, both have responsibility here

I'm not invested in this either way, but the comments about Depp being a bit of a lad because that's what we all expect of him come off as kind of bollocks to me. No one really knows what it was like in that relationship and there are no goodies and baddies

Oh no, Elon accused of sexual misconduct and buying silence, what a surprise etc

Yep,  Amber's attempt to make his drug taking abusive is a bit hypocritical when she seems happy to hoover up the lines of coke, mdma and whatever else.  The only reason she is not in the same stupor is due to her age.  What will she be like if she carries on like this till Depp's age?

All Heard and her lawyers have managed to prove so far is that Depp has substance issues, which everyone has known for years anyway. The shitty thing Heard and her lawyers are doing is implying that because he's a drunk and a druggie he therefore MUST be abusive. Which is clearly the most basic way of thinking about anything and not how justice should work, but how it probably does, given half the population are thick as mince.

On the other hand, credible evidence of her abusing him has come to light, credible testimony from psychiatric evaluation that she has personality disorders, and, credible evidence of her being an appalling actress every time she takes the stand is on full view.

I don't think "they're both shitty people" is really that fair when one is a fucking nightmare and the other is just a bit of a mess.

Where do these recordings come from? Do they just randomly start recording their conversations? They're like video game audio logs

It’s not really that they’re both shitty people, it’s that the wider internet has turned it very much into a binary thing where it might as well be Jesus Vs Hitler. Polygon did a reasonable assessment on it - www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23068724/johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-twitch-youtube-tiktok

Thankfully he became a Republican voter less than 24 hours ago, he'll fit right in now.

You're aware that a British Court found against him when he appealed being called am abuser?

Presumably they had actual evidence to support this.