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Post by clemfandango on Sept 17, 2023 11:39:38 GMT
I think there will be a lot of indie bands and trendy comedians from the 00s doing a lot of worrying and soul-searching this weekend. That Skins era of NME backed cool isn’t called indie sleaze for nothing. I’ve heard Manford is a bit of wrong un |
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Post by dogbot on Sept 17, 2023 11:42:55 GMT
I’d suggest not going on Twitter, it’s an absolute cesspit of alt right grifters and brain dead simpletons FTFY |
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Post by jono62 on Sept 17, 2023 11:46:35 GMT
It's the easiest way for them to get clicks and therefore cash.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 17, 2023 12:04:33 GMT
I think there will be a lot of indie bands and trendy comedians from the 00s doing a lot of worrying and soul-searching this weekend. That Skins era of NME backed cool isn’t called indie sleaze for nothing. /The Mighty Boosh looks around nervously |
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 17, 2023 12:10:57 GMT
If Saville came out saying any of the stuff Brand has, would these people be defending him too? My first thought is yes, but then he was heavily tied to the BBC so I guess maybe they would but more in the interest of sticking the boot into the BBC rather than the paedo stuff. These people's minds are so warped man, makes me ill.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 17, 2023 12:18:28 GMT
If Saville came out saying any of the stuff Brand has, would these people be defending him too? My first thought is yes, but then he was heavily tied to the BBC so I guess maybe they would but more in the interest of sticking the boot into the BBC rather than the paedo stuff. These people's minds are so warped man, makes me ill. They'd only be supporting Saville vehemently if he had also built up a following based around the "question everything/do you own research" crowd. It really does feel like this move of his to that area was extremely calculated. |
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Post by X201 on Sept 17, 2023 12:41:07 GMT
If Saville came out saying any of the stuff Brand has, would these people be defending him too? To be honest I think they’d be united with all of us in the absolute terror at receiving a media statement from a zombie paedo |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 17, 2023 13:38:29 GMT
They would. It’s a team sport now and Savile was a beloved and vocal Tory activist, so the right wing media apparatus would go into high gear for him.
It’s a team sport now and people seem more willing than ever to compromise their integrity for people who tell them what they want to hear. You see it all the time but the most visible examples are all the people willing to overlook Trumps learning disability.
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Post by Danno on Sept 17, 2023 14:44:38 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 17, 2023 14:58:36 GMT
SHAME:0
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Post by kal on Sept 17, 2023 15:29:54 GMT
It’s always interesting to me how you can’t really see the identity of a decade until you get a bit of distance from it.
I saw something on Twitter about how the Noughties is starting to have that moment now, and it’s a decade really identifiable with a sort of bullying nastiness. Brand was a big part of that vibe but so much from that era - Big Brother, Bo Selecta, Nevermind the Buzzcocks, Jeremy Kyle, Ricky Gervais - just feels really mean spirited and unkind. It’s not a decade that’s ageing well at all.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 17, 2023 15:59:36 GMT
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 17, 2023 16:29:58 GMT
It’s always interesting to me how you can’t really see the identity of a decade until you get a bit of distance from it. I saw something on Twitter about how the Noughties is starting to have that moment now, and it’s a decade really identifiable with a sort of bullying nastiness. Brand was a big part of that vibe but so much from that era - Big Brother, Bo Selecta, Nevermind the Buzzcocks, Jeremy Kyle, Ricky Gervais - just feels really mean spirited and unkind. It’s not a decade that’s ageing well at all. Was thinking the same. All along with page three in newspapers, Zoo, Nuts etc on display in supermarkets and shops. Which when I think on it now seems bonkers. |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 17, 2023 16:31:54 GMT
Yeah the lad culture stuff was horrendous.
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 17, 2023 16:37:15 GMT
Even stuff like the soccerette on Soccer AM. Scantily clad page 3 model comes out to be nothing but eye candy, Tim Lovejoy interviews them and asks their age and you got a group of older men all yelling "OH GREAT AGE!" if she says 18.
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Post by Reviewer on Sept 17, 2023 16:40:42 GMT
No a fan of Brand but weren’t many slagging off Kevin Spacey not long ago until he proved his innocence . It wouldn’t surprise me if the allegations were true but it’s a bit trial by media at the moment Spacey was dropped like hot shit by everyone. Everyone! Clearly the industry knew what was going on and saw it as a chance to get him out while they could. Yeah the volume of accusations out there by people with nothing to gain from it is significant. Whether Brand has done it or not, he’s still a massive cunt and an awful person. |
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Post by kal on Sept 17, 2023 16:41:32 GMT
The whole ‘pick up artist’ thing was very much bang in the middle of the Noughties as well. The Game and all that stuff.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 17, 2023 16:48:39 GMT
Is said this earlier but the thing that jumped out at me yesterday was the the sheer amount of clips they played where he just acted like a sex pervert on TV/Radio and everyone around him just clapped like seals. It was pretty much a montage of him grabbing any woman within arms reach and kissing them full on the lips.
As always with these things, it’s not just Brand who is due a reckoning, it’s all the enablers including the audience who lapped it up.
And, yeah, it is kind of representative of the decade. It’s hard to imagine something like Pop Stars kicking off an entire industry of performative cruelty now.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 17, 2023 16:54:08 GMT
I mean I can't say I was any advocate of change at the time.
I'm not sure complicit is the right word but I certainly wasn't outside shows with a placard.
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Post by simple on Sept 17, 2023 16:55:19 GMT
One article even said Brand was crowned Shagger of the Year three years running in the Sun’s gossip pages.
a) how was that even a prize
b) Boris must’ve been seething to miss out
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Post by kal on Sept 17, 2023 16:57:40 GMT
It’s chicken and egg. Did we lap it up just because it’s all we were being served, or did they serve up what we wanted?
I think it’s fair to point out complicity in the same way we’re all complicit for the textile industry and porn exploitation and corporate destruction of the environment; but equally we’re not the ones driving and profiting off these things.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 17, 2023 17:04:26 GMT
I mean that’s just it - it wasn’t just acknowledged, it was applauded. Literally. He was being a red blooded man and the conceit was that anyone else in his shoes would do the same thing. But that was as big a fantasy as anything pedalled back then. If other people were to know how inappropriate those relationships actually were, it would feel a lot more gross than what was being sold.
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Post by simple on Sept 17, 2023 17:05:36 GMT
Its pretty ironic that one of the only big callings out that type of culture got at the time was Gervais in the Extras Christmas Special
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 17, 2023 17:11:57 GMT
Its pretty ironic that one of the only big callings out that type of culture got at the time was Gervais in the Extras Christmas Special Remind me about that again please? |
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Post by kal on Sept 17, 2023 17:12:35 GMT
Also as I get older I realise the timescale for changing attitudes is much shorter than I thought.
Like when I was a kid in the 80s and learned about Martin Luther King, it felt like something that had happened a long time ago in the black and white days when people were super racist. But it was only twenty years earlier. It’s the same distance from the events we’re talking about now to today.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 17, 2023 17:15:13 GMT
Its pretty ironic that one of the only big callings out that type of culture got at the time was Gervais in the Extras Christmas Special Remind me about that again please? George Michael scene? |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 17, 2023 17:15:22 GMT
I mean I can't say I was any advocate of change at the time. No but the greatest, least effort power plebs like us have is the ability to say ‘no, thanks’ and turn it off. I don’t know if I grew up or had a head injury towards the end of the decade but I just did that Seinfeld.gif to all of that ‘edgy’ stuff almost overnight and I just remember it now as a cruel time where I said and did things I really regret. I’m quite glad the EG forum got deleted, for starters. |
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Post by simple on Sept 17, 2023 17:34:29 GMT
Its pretty ironic that one of the only big callings out that type of culture got at the time was Gervais in the Extras Christmas Special Remind me about that again please? The Big Brother rant |
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Post by elstoof on Sept 17, 2023 18:02:50 GMT
The whole ‘pick up artist’ thing was very much bang in the middle of the Noughties as well. The Game and all that stuff. Barney Stinson |
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Post by geefe on Sept 17, 2023 19:16:40 GMT
I think there will be a lot of indie bands and trendy comedians from the 00s doing a lot of worrying and soul-searching this weekend. That Skins era of NME backed cool isn’t called indie sleaze for nothing. I was a music journo from 2007-2011. Mostly student stuff but nearly all indie. All I'll say is Yes to everything you're probably thinking. |
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